But this movie is in many ways a fairy tale. The character Precious gets to be saved by a caring caseworker and a loving teacher. In real life, poor, undereducated and sexually victimized girls are most likely to end up in the juvenile justice system."
Whenever advocates like this write an op-ed or speak publicly about a project ...I admire them and understand why they want to comment, and why should would give the commentary.
I have a hard time believing anyone would find this abuse or a mother like Mary unimaginable. Is it really hidden, or is it ignored because it's too depressing to think about, especially because often enough there is no happy ending or clear solution?
Not when kids are supposedly cognitively underdeveloped by age four simply because they live in low-income families and school districts, even families that aren't necessarily abusive or blatantly neglectful. Not when social workers seem to be ill-equipped or poorly trained to distinguish between what a family needs, or what a child might need (i.e. to get the hell away from insane parents). Not when runaways are undocumented, and don't want to be found. Not when their parents don't give a shit whether they come home or not and probably won't question whether or not there's anything that might make their kids a good reason to leave.
The author says says so herself...we don't really have a model for dealing with someone shaped by intergenerational poverty, family violence or dysfunction, and the comparison she gives between poorer girls and middle-class girls from stable communities seems vague too; I get it, she points to the lack of institutional/FAMILIAL support poorer girls have compared to middle-class peers. So what are we talking about?
Behavior? Parenting styles/background?
Is funding or social service cuts the problem? Laws that treat sex workers as criminals instead of victims? Reflexive use of incarceration? Weak training among those in a position to deal with abuse (social workers, maybe law enforcement or teachers)? Lack of oversights to protect teens in juvenile (not necessarily detention) facilities? Plain old incompetence, indifference or unpreparedness of social services or law enforcement to deal with most of these cases?
(Sometimes it seems that between political correctness, DNC wishy-washiness on sexual health, and a culture where plenty of Republicans condemn welfare mothers but don't give a shit about their officials living in a religious/macho "traditional values" la-la land, any hope of a real, productive discussion of family planning or parenting is moot, at least in academia or policymaking.)
Is there any country in a the world that can deal with runaways, budding juvenile delinquency (not just drug-dealing or prostitution...violent crime), abusive and "vulnerable" families AFTER abuse or dysfunction has been established (and probably gone on for years, undetected)? Any society where government has a sure-fire method to provide institutional stand-ins for dysfunctional parents?
I'm aware that if poverty or lack of education ARE parts of the problem (today's at-risk kids, tomorrow's struggling, possibly abusive parents)--the solution goes deeper than family welfare services. Her op-ed highlights social inequality.
Was it really better before welfare-to-work? (I know...there's an entire population of people who are neither working or on welfare, and have been left behind by any symbolic "progress.") Is that the only place the blame rests--government neglect?
I read an interview with Sapphire, who based Clarice on girls she knew as a teacher. I agree that teachers, social workers, government, and "outsiders" can be a lifeline. But how much can people do to change a person's life if their peers or their families undermine what little the "outsider" who cares can offer? #precious
I think that there needs to be a better distinction made between criticisms and reflections.Maika Saada Saar's comments are a reflection on the reality faced by girls that Precious represents. This isn't a criticism of the movie or the novel. Labeling her comments a criticism gives us the right to dismiss them with obvious, simplistic arguments. We can then avoid confronting the truth of her words, and acknowledging the place of our own agency in these issues. #precious
"According to the Box Office Mojo charts, 2012 took first place at the box office with $65 million, but was in just over 3,000 theaters. Precious made $6 million and was only in 174 theaters — which means its average per theater — $35,000 — is higher than 2012's $19,000 average."
Just FYI, that's not that amazing at all. Indie movies in smaller screens often have higher per-screen averages than the big blockbuster on thousands of screens. It happens every week. #precious
I saw it at a packed 10:30 AM matinee on Friday in Northern Virginia. I've never been to a morning weekday matinee and couldn't believe it was full.
The book is important to me, and the film was very different (mostly to its detriment) but I still loved it. I cried just to see the character I love get the attention she so deserves.
That, I believe, is the most important thing: making invisible girls like Precious visible. Opening our eyes.
That said, my biggest objection to the film is the casting of Paula Patton. Sure, she is stunningly beautiful and a good actor. But the Blu Rain character in the novel is not some light-skinned savior who does it all for Precious while Percious sits mute. Precious let's go of some of her self-hatred by coming to admire someone with dark skin and dreds. There is no pivotal moment where a beatiful teacher cries, "I love you!!" but rather the main arc in which Precious comes to love herself. It's her own triumph, not her teacher's. #precious
Do people watch a film like this and think everybody in that situation would get saved? I read Antwone Fisher's memoir and new that there were many more boys who lived his experiences who didn't find success. I read Push and thought of all the girls who didn't find the night school that Precious found. #precious
@Lymed: People don't watch films because they believe they accurately reflect real life. They watch films to be inspired, to hope for better endings. To become aware that there CAN be better endings, and that they may be in the position to provide them, for others or themselves. #precious
I went to go see this with a friend Friday night. We were very excited - we had 0riginally thought it opened the previous weekend so it was our second attempt at seeing it.
We walked out of the theatre so incredibly disappointed. While the acting by Mo'Nique is superb, we really felt the rest of the movie was subpar at best. Precious deals with the worst hell, I'm not debating that, but the actually movie itself was a shell of what I thought it could really be. The bond between Precious and her teacher seemed incredibly empty, the story seemed very jumpy and seemed to quit a storyline before it finished it, and I have to admit that I didn't like the way they did the escapism scenes. And why is Mariah being focused on so much? She was in the movie for a total of about six minutes.
With that said, I'm glad it's causing people to look at issues like these more closely. If it succeeds in helping even one person then the movie is a success.
But the movie itself? A bit overrated.
PS, I think I'm one of the four people in the rest of the universe that thinks this. Oh well. #precious
@jessacecilia: I am curious about how I will like it. The Blu Rain character seems like a departure from the book, which worries me a bit. Carey's character is important, and the scene with Precious' mother is pivotal, so I can understand why there is some focus on her.
I don't recall any escapist scenes in the book that mirror what I saw in the preview (the music video stuff), although I may be forgetting. I assume that was done by the director/screenplay writer? #precious
@Penny: Odd. I assumed the escapist scenes were integral to the book.
And yeah, Blu Rain is not at all what I expected. But maybe I've seen too many 'teacher motivates student' movies but neither the character or actress were all that powerful. #precious
@jessacecilia: I agree for the most part. The acting was pretty awesome all around, I thought, but the direction and editing were kind of a hot mess. #precious
I doubt New Moon or 2012 will affect Precious much. Not exactly the same audiences... That's one of the things they've done well: effective counterprogramming. Putting it out before the big Oscar rush was key. #precious
I think her point is more resonate because the Blu Rain character seems so different (appearance-wise) in the film than in the book.
I am glad that this film has done well. I will be curious to see how it's received in Sacramento, where I live. Spring Awakening is playing here at the moment. I had already seen it on Broadway but took a group of people because I loved it so much. The theater was, like, half full. On a Saturday. An article in the Sac Bee asked "is Sacramento ready for a play like this?" It's embarrassing.
Obviously totally different pieces of art/entertainment, but both deal with uncomfortable subjects. I don't understand why some people are so adverse to these things being put out there.
Precious is only playing in one theater for one day, that I can tell, here. Just gives me more reason to want to leave. #precious
HELLO. 10 out of 10 for observation. It is a fictional movie. It is not real life. It is not even a documentary. Gah! I find it so irritating when people criticize a film in these terms. #precious
I can see where that bit of criticism is coming from, but in some ways, could we have stood it if there wasn't some hope in the film? As a former lit major and a writer, I do understand both sides of it. You don't want to lessen the reality of a piece by giving it a pat "happy ending" but sometimes going for the perhaps more common yet very depressing ending is just too much to bare, for the creators and the audience. #precious
@HarpMadness: it's interesting to me that some of the Hollywood critics were like, "it was too harsh, unrealistic and hard to watch." and the viewers like this one who deal with women and girls like Precious all the time were like "fairytale. It would never end that well." Talk about your two Americas. #precious
@J.D.Regent: Yes, very good point. And I think the fear that probably this critic has is that those from the other perspective will be like, "Oh well it all ends up okay, so we're done." Or something, which I can see. #precious
I am so impressed that the Post tapped Saada Saar to write that piece. Her organization, the Rebecca Project for Human Rights, does amazing work. That is exactly the kind of person I want discussing films like this, not necessarily some "film expert" in zero touch with reality. #precious
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Whenever advocates like this write an op-ed or speak publicly about a project ...I admire them and understand why they want to comment, and why should would give the commentary.
I have a hard time believing anyone would find this abuse or a mother like Mary unimaginable. Is it really hidden, or is it ignored because it's too depressing to think about, especially because often enough there is no happy ending or clear solution?
Not when kids are supposedly cognitively underdeveloped by age four simply because they live in low-income families and school districts, even families that aren't necessarily abusive or blatantly neglectful. Not when social workers seem to be ill-equipped or poorly trained to distinguish between what a family needs, or what a child might need (i.e. to get the hell away from insane parents). Not when runaways are undocumented, and don't want to be found. Not when their parents don't give a shit whether they come home or not and probably won't question whether or not there's anything that might make their kids a good reason to leave.
The author says says so herself...we don't really have a model for dealing with someone shaped by intergenerational poverty, family violence or dysfunction, and the comparison she gives between poorer girls and middle-class girls from stable communities seems vague too; I get it, she points to the lack of institutional/FAMILIAL support poorer girls have compared to middle-class peers. So what are we talking about?
Behavior? Parenting styles/background?
Is funding or social service cuts the problem? Laws that treat sex workers as criminals instead of victims? Reflexive use of incarceration? Weak training among those in a position to deal with abuse (social workers, maybe law enforcement or teachers)? Lack of oversights to protect teens in juvenile (not necessarily detention) facilities? Plain old incompetence, indifference or unpreparedness of social services or law enforcement to deal with most of these cases?
(Sometimes it seems that between political correctness, DNC wishy-washiness on sexual health, and a culture where plenty of Republicans condemn welfare mothers but don't give a shit about their officials living in a religious/macho "traditional values" la-la land, any hope of a real, productive discussion of family planning or parenting is moot, at least in academia or policymaking.)
Is there any country in a the world that can deal with runaways, budding juvenile delinquency (not just drug-dealing or prostitution...violent crime), abusive and "vulnerable" families AFTER abuse or dysfunction has been established (and probably gone on for years, undetected)? Any society where government has a sure-fire method to provide institutional stand-ins for dysfunctional parents?
I'm aware that if poverty or lack of education ARE parts of the problem (today's at-risk kids, tomorrow's struggling, possibly abusive parents)--the solution goes deeper than family welfare services. Her op-ed highlights social inequality.
Was it really better before welfare-to-work? (I know...there's an entire population of people who are neither working or on welfare, and have been left behind by any symbolic "progress.") Is that the only place the blame rests--government neglect?
I read an interview with Sapphire, who based Clarice on girls she knew as a teacher. I agree that teachers, social workers, government, and "outsiders" can be a lifeline. But how much can people do to change a person's life if their peers or their families undermine what little the "outsider" who cares can offer? #precious
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Just FYI, that's not that amazing at all. Indie movies in smaller screens often have higher per-screen averages than the big blockbuster on thousands of screens. It happens every week. #precious
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The book is important to me, and the film was very different (mostly to its detriment) but I still loved it. I cried just to see the character I love get the attention she so deserves.
That, I believe, is the most important thing: making invisible girls like Precious visible. Opening our eyes.
That said, my biggest objection to the film is the casting of Paula Patton. Sure, she is stunningly beautiful and a good actor. But the Blu Rain character in the novel is not some light-skinned savior who does it all for Precious while Percious sits mute. Precious let's go of some of her self-hatred by coming to admire someone with dark skin and dreds. There is no pivotal moment where a beatiful teacher cries, "I love you!!" but rather the main arc in which Precious comes to love herself. It's her own triumph, not her teacher's. #precious
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We walked out of the theatre so incredibly disappointed. While the acting by Mo'Nique is superb, we really felt the rest of the movie was subpar at best. Precious deals with the worst hell, I'm not debating that, but the actually movie itself was a shell of what I thought it could really be. The bond between Precious and her teacher seemed incredibly empty, the story seemed very jumpy and seemed to quit a storyline before it finished it, and I have to admit that I didn't like the way they did the escapism scenes. And why is Mariah being focused on so much? She was in the movie for a total of about six minutes.
With that said, I'm glad it's causing people to look at issues like these more closely. If it succeeds in helping even one person then the movie is a success.
But the movie itself? A bit overrated.
PS, I think I'm one of the four people in the rest of the universe that thinks this. Oh well. #precious
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I don't recall any escapist scenes in the book that mirror what I saw in the preview (the music video stuff), although I may be forgetting. I assume that was done by the director/screenplay writer? #precious
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And yeah, Blu Rain is not at all what I expected. But maybe I've seen too many 'teacher motivates student' movies but neither the character or actress were all that powerful. #precious
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I am glad that this film has done well. I will be curious to see how it's received in Sacramento, where I live. Spring Awakening is playing here at the moment. I had already seen it on Broadway but took a group of people because I loved it so much. The theater was, like, half full. On a Saturday. An article in the Sac Bee asked "is Sacramento ready for a play like this?" It's embarrassing.
Obviously totally different pieces of art/entertainment, but both deal with uncomfortable subjects. I don't understand why some people are so adverse to these things being put out there.
Precious is only playing in one theater for one day, that I can tell, here. Just gives me more reason to want to leave. #precious
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HELLO. 10 out of 10 for observation. It is a fictional movie. It is not real life. It is not even a documentary. Gah! I find it so irritating when people criticize a film in these terms. #precious
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