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sarrible
08/18/09

In reply to Real Housewife Nene's Stripper Past; Celine Dion Pregnant
So is Zoe Saldana now admitting there were insane screaming hair-pulling catfights on the set of Center Stage?!! Because that would make my frigging DAY.

Also, James McAvoy...be careful. I love you. Please be careful and don't let the Rogen rub off on you.
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FashionShowAtLunch
08/18/09

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Sometimes superficial wack-jobs are just superficial wack-jobs. There doesn't have to be a diagnosis.

I get uptight when assholery and mental illness are casually equated with one another.
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vee
08/18/09

@FashionShowAtLunch: I'm with you there.

Pet peeve: "Oh my god! I have to clean this up, because I am so OCD."
No. You aren't. You're just nitpicky.
Excuse me while I press my cheek to this glass 10 or more times until I do it just right.
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Breamworthy
08/18/09

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I know nothing about Nene beyond what I read on dlisted, but this is actually a pretty awesome way of putting things:

What difference does it make if I danced or not? Is the sun going to stop shining? Is my past taking food out of your mouth?
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brinkswomanship
08/18/09

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Oh Milla. Just when I thought I couldn't love you more.
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Lobstersurprise
08/18/09

@brinkswomanship: I will always love Milla. Blue Lagoon 2 was the best. So, it is pronounced like Yovovich? Hovovich? Javavich?
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prestocaro fears the culling
08/18/09

@Lobstersurprise: I think it's pronounced "Yo-vavich"
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Eleanor Ramilly
08/18/09

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He said: "Batman describes the Joker as a schizophrenic clown, and when the film’s second hero Harvey Dent becomes "Two-Face" and embraces evil, the familiar stereotype of schizophrenia is activated."

He added: "The incorrect stereotype in both cases, to a lesser and greater extent, is that schizophrenics have multiple personality disorder, and that that second personality is always evil.

The beloved villains of the Batman world all have complex back stories and histories.. they aren't just labeled "crazy" and figuratively released on Gotham. I think that makes a huge difference when talking about mental illness in films and literature. These are characters who have been developed... I mean, c'mon. He couldn't have made his point by talking about Saw or something?
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screaming_on_the_inside
08/18/09

@Eleanor Ramilly: I agree. However, I do wish people would stop calling everything schizophrenia. Neither of those characters was really schizophrenic.
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Eleanor Ramilly
08/18/09

@screaming_on_the_inside: Well, I'm afraid you're going to have to take that up with Batman.
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lola_in_the_dark
08/18/09

@Eleanor Ramilly: Don't remember a specific line in The Dark Knight where Batman said that the Joker was schizophrenic.

I thought that the movie portrayed the Joker as a very calculating man with an unclear past because it's scarier when there is no cause for evil.
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Eleanor Ramilly
08/18/09

@lola_in_the_dark: The italicized paragraphs above are from the article, so I guess Batman said it at one point in the movie. The theme of mental illness is pervasive in these villains, but the characters have depth beyond that. The doctor has over simplified things, in my opinion.
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Hiroine Protagonist
08/18/09

@Eleanor Ramilly: It seems more like a continuation of the Jekyll/Hyde trope than any kind of modern type of illness.
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Wishnick
08/18/09

@Eleanor Ramilly: I don't remember Batman calling the Joker schizophrenic, although I do believe at one point they capture one of his henchmen, and when Dent is threatening him, Bats shows up and tells him that he's a schizophrenic and should not be harmed. I think The Joker was meant to be a sociopath, if anything, and Dent was simply a broken man.
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Eleanor Ramilly
08/18/09

@Hiroine Protagonist: Yes, but Dr. Jekyll chooses to ingest chemicals to become Mr. Hyde, whereas Two-Face is driven to insanity due to circumstances he does not control.

@Wishnick: Right, but when you throw in sociopath you're still dealing with mental illness. Who knows how it would have unraveled in the movies (and I'm sure they would have gone into the Joker's back story had Ledger not passed away) but the most widely accepted history of the Joker has him as a "normal" man who, like Two-Face, suffers tragedy, disfigurement and mental anguish.
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Eleanor Ramilly
08/18/09

@Eleanor Ramilly: In other words, decidedly not a sociopath.
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morninggloria
08/18/09

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More proof that Twlight is real: Robert Pattinson really does suck.
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Yahtzii
08/18/09

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My baby gift to Celine Dion? A pair of scissors.
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Sputnik_Sweetheart
08/18/09

@Yahtzii: To be fair, if my hair was that gorgeous, I don't think I would ever cut it either.
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Yahtzii
08/18/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: I know! That's my problem. It's cruel and unfair that an 8-year-old boy has better hair than I do.
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ShanaElmsford
08/18/09

@Yahtzii: She's said in interviews that he doesn't want to cut it. I know at a certain point, you have to be the parent and put your foot down. But you also have to pick your battles and "Your hair is too long!" really isn't a problem that's hurting anyone.

And I agree. His hair is gorgeous.
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indeedso
08/18/09

@Yahtzii: My first reaction was "what's wrong with that girl's pretty long hair?" My second reaction was "ZOMG it's a boy?!? Yuck!" My third reaction was to realize that the gender roles, they are much more entrenched in me than I like to think.
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formergr
08/18/09

@ShanaElmsford: It's definitely not hurting anyone, and if he likes it I see no reason it should be cut.

BUT-- I call bs on the fact that it was his idea to grow it long, and that he has never wanted it cut. His hair has been long since pictures I saw of him as a 2 yr old. 2 year olds generally do not have ideas of how their hair should be styled.

I have a feeling *she* likes it long (I've read she admits to spoiling him and really worships him given all her trouble conceiving), started the whole thing, and of course as a small child he didn't want it cut (many 2 year old hate having their hair cut).

Now that he's older, it may be all he's ever known, so he still likes it (which is totally fine, if that's the case then leave it be). I do have a feeling, though, that if he was in school (I believe I read he has private tutors/is homeschooled), he'd have asked for it to be cut right now, just because of peer pressure.
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Cunning_Linguist
08/18/09

@formergr: I'm almost embarrassed to defend Celine, bear with me. My niece, who is turning 2 years old in two or three weeks, is very particular about her hair and has always been very particular. She doesn't like it if you push the hair out of her face and tuck it behind her ears. Similarly, ever since she had the coordination to do so, she would pull out her pony-tail holder. She just likes her hair wild and free. So yeah, I guess I'm saying that 2 year olds can definitely have strong opinions about their hair.
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Hiroine Protagonist
08/18/09

@Cunning_Linguist: My ex has a ten year old nephew who only LAST YEAR would allow his waist-length bright red (gorgeous) hair to be cut. He's a major brat and a successful tantrum thrower, which I guess is really his parents' fault, but, yeah. Screaming and carrying on like he'd been eaten by a bear. Horrible - and easier to let him grow his hair. Good for the kid? Deeeeee-batable.
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Bgirl_Hamster
08/18/09

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"Yes, I was a stripper — let the judgments ensue. ... It was about survival."
I find this intriguing. Is there some instinctual mom "save my cubs" pole dancing survival mechanism? Because I've taken erotic dance lessons, and let me tell you, there were close to zero women in my class that could just walk in and be good at it. Good enough to make a living doing it, that is.
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lermanzo
08/18/09

@Bgirl_Hamster: she knew she could make the money she needed quickly. i don't think she was saying that the instinct was about being a stripper. it was about making a livelihood.

even bad strippers make some money.
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SouthernSatine
08/18/09

@lermanzo: It's true. I've actually tipped terrible strippers because I felt bad for them. And in Atlanta, if you work at one of the higher end strip clubs, you don't even really have to dance. You just sort of shimmy and do body rolls on a runway. And you make bank doing it.
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MissyMcCLung
08/18/09

@Bgirl_Hamster: it also bothers me that she doesn't just say that it was a choice she made - with her skill set the best way to make money at the time - but a necessity. Like you could judge her if she chose to do it, but since she had to it's different.

Be a stripper, don't be a stripper, whatever. But own your choices people.
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Bgirl_Hamster
08/18/09

@SouthernSatine: Wow. Atlanta strip clubs sound yawn-inducing.
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Laulau
08/18/09

@SouthernSatine: Is a body roll like a log roll? I'm kind of curious now, to be honest.
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Alessar
08/18/09

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Grats, Mark! What a coup! (It's like something his character would aspire to.... o.O)
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ericacartman
08/18/09

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Yes, The Joker is a horrible example of someone with mental health issues. Just as the brothers in Stuck on You are horrible examples of conjoined twins; just as Richard Gere is a horrible example of a gigolo; just as Forest Gump is a horrible example of someone with mental disabilities.

That said, I did and do find it disturbing the way people adored this Joker character and had posters of him and yada-yada. He was a terrorist. Not just someone with mental health problems.
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HarpMadness
08/18/09

@ericacartman: As a comics fan, I agree that I found the level of adoration of the character following the movie disturbing. I admired Ledger's performance to no end -- I found it brilliant. As I left the theater the first time I saw it, I was thinking how great it was that they were able to make the Joker interesting and very scary without making him at all admirable. I was really taken aback to find all the people who thought the character was "cool". Because he's not and he's not supposed to be anybody you'd look up to at all or even want to be vicariously. There are, of course, fictional villains out there who are able to be "bad guys" but who do have some redeeming qualities, but the Joker isn't one of those, IMHO.
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JennaW
08/18/09

@HarpMadness: You'll always find people who love the bad guys and not even for the 'bad boy' reasons. In Naruto, there is a little kid mass murderer character who the girls all LOVE -- because they say he's misunderstood.

Uhm... yeah. And now we know who'll eventually be marrying the prison lifers.
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Sputnik_Sweetheart
08/18/09

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Uh, Hailey, if you want to convince people that you are not interested in the fame and the attention, you may want to refrain from giving exclusive interviews to E! Just a thought.
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LaComtesse
08/18/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: Seriously, dude. There are 8 sacrificial lambs in this little saga, Hailey. You, an adult with the ability to make your own decisions, are not one of them.
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cuteasabutton
08/18/09

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" />He will be yours Tscheese. Oh yes, he will be yours.
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midwesternmom
08/18/09

@cuteasabutton: I used to wonder what people saw in him, but that photo provided a couple clues.
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SouthernSatine
08/18/09

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Ah, yes. "Whack job." Thank you Nene. I'll check the diagnostic criteria for that in my DSM IV.
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cuteasabutton
08/18/09

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That's not an extra. This is an extra!
Really bad joke I know. These people weren't extras in the sense of a paid extra really, so they're not entitled to be renumerated as far as I can see.
Anyway, throw 'em another shrimp on the barbie and bob's ya uncle.
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rah29
08/18/09

@cuteasabutton: Slow clap, building to a crescendo of applause, for the bad joke.

Every time we tell my Aussie friend to 'throw another shrimp on the barbie' she wails 'THEY'RE CALLED PRAWNS!!'
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cuteasabutton
08/18/09

@rah29: Thank you. And being Australian, I really should've said prawns! I'm such a flamin' galah!
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