I didn't really care for Julie & Julia, but the sexual voyeurism aspect of this intrigues me. I'll probably rent a copy from the library. I usually buy new, to support authors, but I can't bring myself to do it in this case.
Ugh! ugh! ugh!I'm sorry but I hated this book. I loved 'Julie and Julia"loved the blog,loved the book and loved the film- because Meryl Streep is utterly peerless - less so for the diluted version of Julie Powell.
There has been a lot of talk on the internet that if you don't like 'Cleaving", it's because you are jealous of JP's success - are you kidding? Her blog/book gave hope to bloggers/cubicle workers everywhere,I couldn't be more happy for her, but this book is just horrible,it smacks of the dreaded second book syndrome - rushed out by her publishers to profit from all the publicity around the first book.
It is completely self obsessed,narcissistic, masochistic navel-gazing. Every time you think that Ms. Powell will find something to distract her from her favourite subject-herself, you are disappointed.
The most interesting sections of the book, her travels in the Ukraine
/Kenya and Argentina seem almost an afterthought to her absolute self-flaying, self worship.
It reminded me of a toddler or Elizabeth Wurtzel(kind of the same thing) the constant craving for attention, whether good or bad and the constant need to push the envelope-if I do this -will you still love me?, if
I say this, will you still love me?
I read a review on Amazon that I thought was very funny and pretty much sums up this book and I thought " Snap! I wonder if Julie Powell knows that you have already plotted her next book for her:
"I have an idea for you Julie for your next book....work as a mechanic for a while and think of all the sexy lines you can come up with....lube job, check your oil, rotate your tires, fill er'up...get the picture? And like a car that had broken down(like your marriage)..you can resurrect a car and your marriage at the same time! How's that for a new book project? Might get a movie deal out of it too! "
She is a good writer- this is not a good book,it is just skanky and tawdry and silly. I just want to smack her round the head and tell her to grow up and use her god-given talent.
This seems so weird. Ugh, open relationships, I just don't get it. Maybe because when I'm with someone, I don't want anyone else. That's how I work. I want them. When I'm not monogamous, I'm always holding back, I'm never giving them my all and don't jump in with both feet.
@Jenloveshercurves: Whenever someone mentions open relationships as a way to "save" their current relationship, I always think of Dr. Tobias Funke:
"Tobias: You know, Lindsay, as a therapist, I have advised...
[falls off the bed]
Tobias: ...a number of couples to explore an open relationship where the couple remains emotionally committed, but free to explore extra-marital encounters.
Lindsay: Well, did it work for those people?
Tobias: No, it never does. I mean, these people somehow delude themselves into thinking it might, but... but it might work for us."
@Jenloveshercurves: Open relationships are not for everyone, but there are plenty of people out there in happy ones with both feet in :-) If you are truly interested, Opening Up by Tristan Taormino and The Ethical Slut are great starter books.
@Jenloveshercurves: If only my ex felt the same way as you. I kept ending up in an "open relationship" that I never agreed to in the first place. I finally had to tell him, if I just wasn't enough for him, move on.
@Jenloveshercurves: Well, I am not in an open relationship BECAUSE We/I am not satisfied emotionally or sexually. We are because we want to, love to flirt and ON OCCASION, have a one night sexual escapade with another person. Of course we have defined rules ( not at our home, no post-sex cuddling with other person because frankly, that IS intimate, two bodies going at it, not the same kind of intimate, only get to do it once with third party, all is frankly told to third party a sin I am in a relationship.....). Also, do not even ATTEMPT this kind of agreement if your relationship has any cracks. BAD, BAD IDEA! That is not the point!! ( Full disclosure, in 13 years of a committed relationship, we have done IT with others ( he with another women, me with another man) maybe what...4 or 5 times ..so see, we do not even seek it nor need to seek it, we just enjoy the "option")
"Instead, she felt unmoored and unhappy and entered into a torrid, bondage-tinged affair, which morphed into the world's most awful-sounding open marriage, which turned into obsession and depressing sex with strangers, which in turn made her become an apprentice butcher."
I think that if they do a movie adaptation of THIS it's going to be a creepy art-house flick.
@MargaretMoony: I'm getting REALLY creeped out by imagining it being packaged as a new kind of role for Amy Adams. She's not just fresh-faced and sweet! She's coved with blood and despair.
I hated the bit where she describes her 34-year-old self as middle-aged. Cripes. I'm 34, and I'm not middle-aged. Actually, I pretty much hated the whole venture. Unhappy narcissist scrambles desperately for idea to follow original hit and pulls a concept out of Contemporary Female Writing Tombola. If I wanted to read about an unhappy 34-year-old sabotaging any chance they have of happiness, I'll read my own diary, thankyouverymuch
To be honest, Julie Powell's blog seemed like a publicity stunt to me, and taking up butchery (with all its obvious metaphors) just seems like a way to eek out a second book. From what I've read by Julie Powell, I can't say that I like her or her writing very much (sorry, but she is a memoirist, so I think both are applicable in a review of her books), and I doubt this book will improve my opinion of either.
@RiloKilo: Well, I don't see why delving into something so you can get inspired to write something is negative. I mean, it doesn't have to be a publicity stunt, just an exercise to produce new writing material. Regarding the Julia Child thing though, I do think she was using that name to gain readers. Still, it was a good idea nonetheless.
@ninles: Agreed -- I don't mind the stunt blog stuff when Powell or whoever tries it, as long as the results are interesting. Some people need a little structure or jump start.
I also think a LOT of people forget that the original J&J blog began in August 2002. I don't even think I'd ever heard of a blog seven years ago, so all the "Ugh, what a weak attempt to get famous via a blog" criticisms seem unfair, since it wasn't such a common road to success in ye olden tymes.
@Clare116: i started a blog at the same time as j&j, on salon with hers, and it was very popular for the time. (it's still listed there). trust me, no one in a million years did it with the idea of writing a book. blogs were actually considered something you did when you COULDN'T write a book. i admire and am slightly in awe of whatever she did to get her blog published and then made into a film (with fuckingawesome meryl streep for christ's sake!). what made julia successful was her specific focus, an idea which was too limiting for me at the time.
@hughman: I think I agree with you about the motive of keeping a blog back then anyway, I don't think anyone saw it coming, how blogging would evolve into something much more. But I do think that, when you use a famous name in your blogging, you expect to get hits based on that name alone. So yeah, maybe she didn't see the book deal etc coming, but it must have crossed her mind that people googling for Julia would come across her blog. I still say it's a great idea, why not!
Thank you for writing this! I have so many thoughts about this book after reading it this weekend and nowhere to turn.
Sadie, I'm going to have to disagree with you on the quality of the writing. She repeats her descriptions over and over. For example, take her obsession with describing shit as "such and such thing". "a delicate thing" "a fine thing" " a clumsy thing" over and over.
Also, her metaphors are insane. I wish I had my copy here, but there is an instance where she's describing a guy who wants to fuck her and says that he wants her "like a six year old wants the biggest stuffed animal at the fair" (quote is from memory so may not be 100%). What? Why would you bring up a child during your sex metaphor? What is wrong with you? That's not sexy.
She can write food porn. That I will give her. I haven't eaten meat in five years and even I want an oxtail after her description.
OH, she needs to stop calling tenderloin insipid. She does it at least twice.
I have a million tiny criticisms of this book. I agree with Sadie's comment about cultural tourism. I don't know how to describe my discomfort with Powell's description of - and relationship to - butchers. It's a weird fetishization.
I feel like she got super lucky, and yet not really. She has this jackpot of an idea (Julie and Julia) capitalizes on it (good for her) and the book sells a bajillion copies, yet for her second book it's like it wasn't edited. I thought it was an interesting story, and Powell has a knack for trends, I just wish this whole story was in more capable hands.
By 1974, Julia Child had written the introduction to the first edition of "The Joy of Sex," invented the modern ball gag, and was on the planning committee for the Folsom Street Fair.
In short, Ms. Powell will never, EVER get out from under the giant shadow of Julia Child.
Well, in her defense, anyone who is seriously studying cooking should learn basic butchery sooner or later (a young female relative of mine had to chop up a couple of more or less whole animals in her cooking course, at a very professional school). But I'm a little disappointed in Julie. I really don't give a rat's ass whatever she does in bed with whoever, but eeks a little sense of privacy? the blog and the first book had a nice funky charm (as an ex resident of Long Island City, I loved it) but now I think she's just stretching to fill pages.
When I saw the title and cover I was really excited it was going to be a dystopian take on "Leave it to Beaver" where Ma Clever hacks them all to death or something.
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So one big criticism I read again and again when "Julie and Julia" came out was that Julie Powell should have been written as the complex, acid person she is rather than some saccharine pixie. And how!
@greensandbeans: Right? I read that blog and I enjoyed the hell out of it, but one of the things I find endearing was the fact that she was kind of fucked up, bitter, and aimless.
@Trulymadlyme: That was very much how I felt after reading Julie & Julia. I like how she is so openly imperfect. And yes, I enjoyed Cleaving. It's not a flawless book, but I'd take it over Eat, Pray, Love any day.
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There has been a lot of talk on the internet that if you don't like 'Cleaving", it's because you are jealous of JP's success - are you kidding? Her blog/book gave hope to bloggers/cubicle workers everywhere,I couldn't be more happy for her, but this book is just horrible,it smacks of the dreaded second book syndrome - rushed out by her publishers to profit from all the publicity around the first book.
It is completely self obsessed,narcissistic, masochistic navel-gazing. Every time you think that Ms. Powell will find something to distract her from her favourite subject-herself, you are disappointed.
The most interesting sections of the book, her travels in the Ukraine
/Kenya and Argentina seem almost an afterthought to her absolute self-flaying, self worship.
It reminded me of a toddler or Elizabeth Wurtzel(kind of the same thing) the constant craving for attention, whether good or bad and the constant need to push the envelope-if I do this -will you still love me?, if
I say this, will you still love me?
I read a review on Amazon that I thought was very funny and pretty much sums up this book and I thought " Snap! I wonder if Julie Powell knows that you have already plotted her next book for her:
"I have an idea for you Julie for your next book....work as a mechanic for a while and think of all the sexy lines you can come up with....lube job, check your oil, rotate your tires, fill er'up...get the picture? And like a car that had broken down(like your marriage)..you can resurrect a car and your marriage at the same time! How's that for a new book project? Might get a movie deal out of it too! "
She is a good writer- this is not a good book,it is just skanky and tawdry and silly. I just want to smack her round the head and tell her to grow up and use her god-given talent.
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"Tobias: You know, Lindsay, as a therapist, I have advised...
[falls off the bed]
Tobias: ...a number of couples to explore an open relationship where the couple remains emotionally committed, but free to explore extra-marital encounters.
Lindsay: Well, did it work for those people?
Tobias: No, it never does. I mean, these people somehow delude themselves into thinking it might, but... but it might work for us."
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#openrelationships
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Beats cheating which yes, I despise!!!!!
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I ... feel I may have missed something.
I ... feel it may not be a problem.
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I think that if they do a movie adaptation of THIS it's going to be a creepy art-house flick.
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What a great line, applicable to so, so many things these days. Well done. (no pun intended!)
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Bwahaha.
"It's off the menu. Louis'll make it for ya."
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I also think a LOT of people forget that the original J&J blog began in August 2002. I don't even think I'd ever heard of a blog seven years ago, so all the "Ugh, what a weak attempt to get famous via a blog" criticisms seem unfair, since it wasn't such a common road to success in ye olden tymes.
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Sadie, I'm going to have to disagree with you on the quality of the writing. She repeats her descriptions over and over. For example, take her obsession with describing shit as "such and such thing". "a delicate thing" "a fine thing" " a clumsy thing" over and over.
Also, her metaphors are insane. I wish I had my copy here, but there is an instance where she's describing a guy who wants to fuck her and says that he wants her "like a six year old wants the biggest stuffed animal at the fair" (quote is from memory so may not be 100%). What? Why would you bring up a child during your sex metaphor? What is wrong with you? That's not sexy.
She can write food porn. That I will give her. I haven't eaten meat in five years and even I want an oxtail after her description.
OH, she needs to stop calling tenderloin insipid. She does it at least twice.
I have a million tiny criticisms of this book. I agree with Sadie's comment about cultural tourism. I don't know how to describe my discomfort with Powell's description of - and relationship to - butchers. It's a weird fetishization.
I feel like she got super lucky, and yet not really. She has this jackpot of an idea (Julie and Julia) capitalizes on it (good for her) and the book sells a bajillion copies, yet for her second book it's like it wasn't edited. I thought it was an interesting story, and Powell has a knack for trends, I just wish this whole story was in more capable hands.
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In short, Ms. Powell will never, EVER get out from under the giant shadow of Julia Child.
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and how awesome is it that Julia Child loved Tu Lan? :)
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Color me disappointed (No offense Julie Powell).
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