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meritxell: an erotic life
09/17/09

In reply to Birthers Get New, Extremely Credible Supporter: Camille Paglia
Oh, Camille, desperately trying to stay relevant 20 years past her prime. Maybe she got tired of wishing she were Madonna's tampon?

The hilarious thing about the birthers is... what kind of outcome are they seeking? What if they were right and Obama wasn't a citizen - do they think McCain gets to be president by default?
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whynotshesaid
09/17/09

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She's still alive?
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TRexstasy
09/17/09

@whynotshesaid: There's some debate on that topic.
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YourScreenplaySucks
09/17/09

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I wish Camille Paglia would stop commenting on politics and get back to what she does best: deliriously unhinged, purple prose literary criticism in which she attempts to prove that Emily Dickinson was really a "self-ruling hermaphrodite" and latter day Marquis de Sade or that Michelangelo is a pornographer & the Pope is a collector of porn.

That stuff kept me entertained for hours when I was in college and reading it provided a good imitation of being high on primo acid for a tenth of the price.
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PilgrimSoul
09/17/09

@YourScreenplaySucks: Indeed. High comedy for the English lit major set.
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la.donna.pietra
09/17/09

@YourScreenplaySucks: Don't forget all the Madonna rhapsodizing. That was a bit more like being drunk on really cheap box wine, though.
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YourScreenplaySucks
09/17/09

@PilgrimSoul: Don't forget the science majors. Her theory that the transcendent arc of male urine streams as compared to the pathetic downward trickle produced by women explains greater male achievement throughout history really brought the lulz when we were covering evolutionary biology.

@la.donna.pietra: My favorite part of that phase in Camille's career was Madonna's comment that she found Camille's reams of writing about her "very amusing".
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suzannelb
09/17/09

In reply to Birthers Get New, Extremely Credible Supporter: Camille Paglia
OH GOD, IT'S PAGLIA.

I HAVE TO GO LIE DOWN.

I EXPECT THAT SHE WILL BE OFF THE FRONT PAGE BY THE TIME I GET BACK.

/capslock expression of my extreme distaste for the woman who tried to hijack academic feminism and, thank god, failed miserably
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Tchotchke
09/17/09

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"There may be racism among it, but there are legitimate questions about the documentation of Obama's birth certificate."

Something about that sentence seems off, grammatically-speaking. Am I wrong or does it sound odd? It's bugging me.
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babyruthless
09/17/09

@Tchotchke: I think the antecedent of "it" might be "the birther movement" in which case I think it makes sense.
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Misiula
09/17/09

@babyruthless: Yes, but grammatically, nothing can be among it -- it is singular and among needs a plural noun. It's off, all right.
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Tchotchke
09/17/09

@Misiula: Yeah, "among" was the part that struck me as being mis-used. I was uncertain though because, well, it is early and I'm bleary-eyed at the moment.
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PrairieGirl
09/17/09

@Tchotchke: I'll give her the benefit of the doubt about grammar as this is from a transcript, so she was speaking not writing. I'm sure if she were writing that she'd get it right. She may be a total nut-job but she can string a good sentence together.

I wish that she had elaborated on what she thinks are "legitimate" questions about the birth certificate though.
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PaintedTrollop
09/17/09

In reply to Birthers Get New, Extremely Credible Supporter: Camille Paglia
When was Camille Paglia EVER credible?
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willwriteforfood
09/17/09

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I do have to disagree with you on one point, Anna. Paglia hasn't been "extremely credible" for a long time, ever since she insisted that Sarah Palin had reserves of intellectual brilliance most of us just haven't appreciated.
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DexterHaven
09/17/09

@willwriteforfood: It's ironic.
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thelandlady
09/17/09

@willwriteforfood: This was my reaction too. I don't know anyone who considers her credible but undoubtedly (unfortunately) plenty of people actually do.
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jenny_dreadful
09/17/09

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Since when is Camille Paglia extremely credible? She's seriously one of the nuttiest nutters out there. And I was just thinking to myself this morning that this whole birfer nonsense had kind of died down.
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o-line
09/17/09

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Is it just me, or does she kind of look like an evil version of Hillary Clinton?
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Tchotchke
09/17/09

@o-line: I'm getting Tony Blair + brassy frosted hair + cheap gold jewelry. But that's just me and I haven't had my morning coffee (or six).
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meritxell: an erotic life
09/17/09

@Tchotchke: Somehow you're both right.
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Valkyrie607
09/17/09

In reply to Birthers Get New, Extremely Credible Supporter: Camille Paglia
If you look up "jumping the shark" in the dictionary, you will find Camille Paglia's picture next to the definition.

It's pretty much her whole career.
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tawdrylorde
09/17/09

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i heard her spewing this mess on npr yesterday. she had me literally screaming at my radio. she spent the whole hour arguing that not only has institutional racism been eradicated, but that racist people are pretty much unicorns. so what if someone shows up to an obama speaking event with a semi and a poster of obama as a witch doctor/hitler/monkey.

also sexism and homophobia are totes gone too.
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AndPreciousLittleofThat
09/17/09

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Ms. Paglia must've missed yesterday's news, where pseudo-lawyer Oily Taintz was basically laughed out of a second federal courtroom for spouting her nonsense.

The only thing worse than missing yesterday's news is being it.
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utensil42
09/17/09

@AndPreciousLittleofThat: Oh God. I read that decision and it was priceless. At one point the judge says (paraphrasing) "Unlike in Alice and Wonderland, saying something is so does not actually make it so." The judge basically made fun of ORLY for 14 pages.
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SanFranLefty
09/17/09

@utensil42: And his line about "any middle school civics student" was also great.

GWB appointee, to boot!
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LeeroySpitzer
09/19/09

@AndPreciousLittleofThat: [wonkette.com] link here. I had to look it up. Superb!
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zombies.like.lattés.too
09/17/09

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John McCain was born in Panama. Not a state. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Actually a state.

This would be a non-issue if Obama's first name were John. Or if he were caucasian.
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RStewie
09/17/09

@zombies.like.lattés.too: During our occupation of Panama, if you were born there and one or both of your parents were US citizens, you automatically had dual citizenship. My neice was born there.

I was born in Iceland, and the same applied to me, until I turned 18...then I had to choose.

Having said that: the whole idea that there was some radical conspiracy by Obama's parents to have him be a US citizen is completely whacko.

Although, sure! They KNEW he was going to be President, and this way there was nothing in his way!!
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dirtdevilabortion
09/17/09

@RStewie: But of course. Didn't you know his father was an African charlatan and that he just knew that one day his son would be president, and arranged an elaborate conspiracy and mystery surrounding his birthplace JUST SO right wing nutters today could do everything they can to make his presidency less than legitimate?

Though I don't believe that all the criticism leveled at Obama is racially motivated, this birther business should seem obviously racially motivated. The ploys and scare tactics dreamed up by the wingnuts are just disgusting.
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Lou
09/17/09

@RStewie: Well obviously they knew. He's totes the Messiah, duh!
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scootermom
09/17/09

@zombies.like.lattés.too: Or if he was a white guy with parents from, say, Germany.

It's Kenya! It's in Africa! He's from the "dark continent!"
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cletar
09/17/09

@RStewie: That was not in effect at the time McCain was born.
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whynotshesaid
09/17/09

@Lou: No, even better, he's the Antichrist!

At least, that's what the 18-year-old homeschooled girl who did my hair tried to tell me. I couldn't stifle my laughter.
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jemandtheholograms
09/17/09

@whynotshesaid: Laughing while getting your hair cut is dangerous. You should probably go to a less hilariously-insane hairdresser.
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Never_Nude
09/17/09

@zombies.like.lattés.too: My hubby is an immigration attorney and just tried to explain the intricate calculations that have to go into determining citizenship for kids born outside the US to US citizen parents. It made my head hurt, and I'm an attorney too. There are regulations under the Child Citizenship Act, you have to look at the year the child was born, did a later regulation supercede an earlier reg, blah blah blah. He has doubts about McCain's citizenship, and he understands this stuff.
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meritxell: an erotic life
09/17/09

@RStewie: You were born in Iceland? That's so fucking cool.
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willwriteforfood
09/17/09

In reply to Birthers Get New, Extremely Credible Supporter: Camille Paglia
Well, this pretty much seals my opinion of Camille Paglia. I think she just says things every once in awhile to remind us all she's still here, 'cause otherwise we'd have moved on to more outrageous idiots, like the Arizona preacher who prayed for Obama to go to hell.

In response, I can only refer to the ruling handed down by a U.S. District Court judge yesterday in response to Mrs. Chief Birther Orly Taitz. It was 14 pages of utter legal brilliance smacking her down and all but calling her a nitwit and daring her to try again lest she end up in prison for filing yet more frivolous lawsuits.
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wtfox?!
09/17/09

@willwriteforfood: I read that on Wonkette, and it cheered me to no end. While I'm not a lawyer, I have a deep love for the formal, yet utterly hysterical, way judicial decisions lay the smackdown on people who are taking up the court's time and resources with ridiculous business.
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willwriteforfood
09/17/09

@wtfox?!: I read it there too. My favorite part was the judge saying that unlike assertions made in Alice in Wonderland, saying something is so doesn't actually make it so. I snorted out loud.
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wtfox?!
09/17/09

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Camille Paglia is still credible? I'm not a gender theorist/women's studies scholar, but I know mentioning her name makes my roommate (who is) froth at the mouth.
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DexterHaven
09/17/09

@wtfox?!: She has about as much academic credibility as Germaine Greer.
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valhalla_i_am_coming
09/17/09

@DexterHaven: I get so cracked up when she posts the occasional screed on Salon.com; everyone weighs in with what a pile of steaming crap her writing is...BUT!! they continue to read!! That's what she wants, people. Just ignore the screaming monkey throwing the poop; don't give it any energy.
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bluebears
09/17/09

@wtfox?!: I am also surprised to discover she's still credible. Oh tell us some more Camille about your resemblance to Madonna!
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Inzombia
09/17/09

@wtfox?!: I'm a gender and women's studies scholar who teaches feminist theory and no, Camille Paglia is most definitively not credible.
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