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    Image of Remedios Varo can't see no huevos. Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.
    02/09/09

    In reply to What Will Happen To Chris Brown & Rihanna?
    Ugh, my roommate just said that Brown was justified in hitting Rihanna because she may or may not have given him an STI. I really don't want to want to get into a fight about this with her, but I thought a fundamental rule of being a human is not to hurt anyone unprovoked.
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    Image of Ceiling Cat Ceiling Cat
    02/09/09

    In reply to What Will Happen To Chris Brown & Rihanna?
    By the way, "What's Love Got To Do With It" was on Lifetime today, billed as part of their special valentine's day love-themed programming. WTF?
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    02/09/09

    @Ceiling Cat: Are you serious?


    Wow.


    Yeah, Ike and Tina, a real love story! Stay classy Lifetime.

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    Image of Sister Toldja Sister Toldja
    02/09/09

    In reply to What Will Happen To Chris Brown & Rihanna?
    This is what happens when a kid from a screwed up home life gets tons of money and fame, but no therapy. As I told some of my students, it's hard when someone you like as an artist (or hearthrob) does a bad thing and everyone makes mistakes...this was a big one. And until he takes ownership for what he did and makes the effort to heal himself so that he does not hurt another woman again, the posters and the CDs need to be shelved, the adoration put on hold. I sincely hope that they BOTH get the help that they need. He's still a very young man and if he gets the right sort of therapy, he can stop himself now before he's even more out of control.
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    Image of gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy
    02/09/09

    @Sister Toldja: That is exactly what I've been saying about alot of the athletes we see in trouble nowadays, in particular the Dallas Cowboys. You take young men who have had nothing all thier lives, throw millions of dollars at them because they can run fast or catch a ball, and what exactly do we think is going to happen?


    My husband and I have had many a talk with our confused 11 year-old son about these issues, as he is an athlete and baseball fanatic. Luckily, I have a husband who has taught our son that this behavior is not praiseworthy.

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    Image of ninles ninles
    02/10/09

    @Sister Toldja: This is not an excuse for acting like a savage rabid beast. He is old enough and smart enough to know better.
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    02/10/09

    @ninles: Im not saying its an excuse (and the beatdown was apparently a lot worse than orignally reported), I'm saying it was a factor. Their troubled childhoods may be part of the reason that he was capable of such and she was sticking around a guy who may have possibly shown this side of himself to her before. He needs punishment, but they both need HELP! Imprisonment is not enough, he needs loads of therapy as does she, if he is to get past this. Guys go to jail for a couple years and come out and do the same thing because they dont get treated. Same thing with victims. If they dont get professional help, they so often go find another abusive lover.
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    Image of lalaland13 lalaland13
    02/09/09

    In reply to What Will Happen To Chris Brown & Rihanna?
    Here's what I keep thinking about, although I know it's an odd thought: Didn't Brown write or co-write Disturbia? And did the song come from some sort of "darkness is alive" thing with him? Sigh. I love that song, but it just got a lot sadder for me. I think Brown has issues, and I wonder if he was controlling her before this, and that's why she refused to really acknowledge the relationship?


    So much speculation, but dang, he fucked with the wrong woman. Although I like to think he'd be shunned for fucking with any woman, not just Rihanna, I'm afraid that's not the case.

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    Image of TroubleonWheels TroubleonWheels
    02/09/09

    In reply to What Will Happen To Chris Brown & Rihanna?
    It will surprise no one to learn that batterers with money (or in my ex's case, a government job) tend to get away with spousal abuse.


    Although I'll wager Rihanna was not asked to prove she wasn't lying/vindictive/crazy while having her bruises photographed by police...

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    Image of GoldenRatioφ (aka -girl11) GoldenRatioφ (aka -girl11)
    02/09/09

    @TroubleonWheels: As sick as it is, I almost was a little more relieved to hear it *was* Rihanna, because the whole "groupie who wants to extort Brown for money" comments that people were making seemed a lot less credible because Rihanna is a successful woman in her own right. If it had been a nameless victim I feel like Chris Brown would have gotten a much easier pass.
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    Image of freestylewalker freestylewalker
    02/09/09

    In reply to What Will Happen To Chris Brown & Rihanna?
    I know I'm latching onto the herpes story reported by Bossip and All Hip Hop because it would at least make Chris Brown's actions explainable if not defensible.


    I have to say, I would hit the person who gave me a lifelong virus--probably only once, but I would hit them. Particularly, because if someone was reckless enough to give me herpes they could have given me AIDs.


    And with an STI this late in a relationship, there may also be the lesser issue of fidelity to consider. That's something that a large percentage of the population is pretty passionate about.


    As I write this, I'm so scared that it will come out that the herpes story isn't true. I like Chris Brown, and need him not to be some typical wife-beater. I need this to be a one time thing, some temporary insanity resulting from a teenager's inability to handle an adult problem.

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    Image of gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy
    02/09/09

    @freestylewalker: Or how about this?


    You take responsibility for having the unprotected sex that caused you to get this STD? You really need to grow the fuck up alot if this is your attitude and your response.


    How dare you even intimate that there would be any reason for him to attack anyone? Step back into your troll hole, honey.


    And by the way, my ex-fiance gave me herpes. Did I hit him or threaten him? No. I chose to have unprotected sex with him, and I paid the consequences. My husband's ex-wife gave him herpes after she cheated on him while he was at war. Did her hit her? No, but he did divorce her two years later. See how easy this is? It's how grown-ups play.


    Go away.

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    02/09/09

    @gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy: seriously - thank you for pointing that out.


    If one is having unprotected sex, one is responsible for THEMSELVES - your ride it / lick it / suck it bareback, its on YOU, ultimately.


    Anger may be justified but NOT physical violence.

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    02/09/09

    @gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy:


    I was just being honest about what my own actions would be. I would smack someone who gave me an STI; I'm glad you wouldn't. If I were in a committed relationship with someone who told me they were tested and clean, I would be horrified if they then gave me a virus. Would I be right to hit them? No. But would I do it? Probably.


    I was also recognizing in my response to the story how weird it was for me (and many others) to need to latch onto the herpes fight explanation because I like Chris Brown, and really wanted this to be explained somehow, even if it could never be defended.


    Maybe that was not adequately reflected in the 3 paragraphs I managed to rattle off on my lunch break. Or maybe you can only hear opinions that exactly match your own or you start name-calling.


    News outlets are reporting now that the beating was severe, and that he bit her, which is terrifying. He's clearly a monster. And I feel terrible for that young girl. I never didn't feel terrible for her.


    I just also hoped for an explanation that this was a one time incident, and that Chris Brown wouldn't join a crowded sea of assholes that are young, famous, and violent.

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    Image of PrettyPrettyPrincess PrettyPrettyPrincess
    02/09/09

    @freestylewalker: One violent incident is enough. I don't know why thinking that it was a one-time occurance makes you feel better about him, or blaming her somehow justifies whatever fondness you feel for him as an artist or person, but that shit does not fly here. Gerbils called you out and is a reasonable commenter. You seem to be over-identifying with the aggressor in the situation and may want to give some thought to that, instead of being defensive when called out on it. Dissenting opinions are all well and good, but physical violence against women is pretty freaking far from ok and blaming the victim is exactly the kind of thing that will get you called out.
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    02/09/09

    In reply to What Will Happen To Chris Brown & Rihanna?
    Hey...Jezebel.....how about we wait to see what the court decides and or, at the very least, wait until a reputable news affiliate (not TMZ!) reports some additional facts before we declare him a "wife beater" / "domestic abuser"
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    Image of battleaxonista...is a humorless bitch battleaxonista...is a humorless bitch
    02/10/09

    @Scout: I guess innocent until proven guilty need not apply on Jezebel *rolls eyes*
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    Image of lisas lisas
    02/09/09

    In reply to What Will Happen To Chris Brown & Rihanna?
    Ike Turner was a great musician with a very respectable career who will none the less go down in history as the dirtbag who beat Tina.


    Axl Rose's marriage, which is on par with Britney Spears' "marriages", ended very soon after his assaults. So did the hugeness of GnR, but that could well be because they only really had 1 decent album in them (Appetite for Destruction, obvs).


    I can't imagine Mr. Brown hanging onto his fans if it turns out that this ugly-sounding situation is what happened. He's hardly on par with an artist like Miles Davis, high school dancing movies or no high school dancing movies.

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    Image of southernbelle southernbelle
    02/09/09

    In reply to What Will Happen To Chris Brown & Rihanna?
    My nine year old daughter likes Rihanna--she thinks she's pretty and loves her hair. I know she will inevitably hear about this--she always hears about things that I wish she wouldn't, and to tell you the truth, I don't know how I'm going to explain it. I mean, I know the standard, "It's very wrong what happened to her," and that kind of thing, but I just find it incredibly sad that my daughter is going to find out that this kind of thing happens to girls. I mean, I guess that's obvious, and I'm probably not adding anything to the discourse by saying this, but it really hurts me.
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    Image of Atomic Monkey Mouse Atomic Monkey Mouse
    02/09/09

    @southernbelle: While it's sad that this is a reality, it's good to talk to your daughter about DV and perhaps this will provide you with a starting point. I know it might seem strange to some people, but relationships are complicated and confusing and it's good to hear what the straight up limits are--- no hitting, period. I remember watching Burning Bed with my mom at one point; while it was kind of an extreme starting point, I got the message-- if he hits you it's not okay, he's not okay, get out. Mom probably would have preferred that I not light him on fire in his sleep, but the message was clear that my safety and well-being were the priority.
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    Image of Lisabel (ne: Dagnabbit) Lisabel (ne: Dagnabbit)
    02/09/09

    @southernbelle: I'm with Atomic on this one. As awful as this all is for both parties involved (yes, both-- Chris better get some counseling to sort out his issues, too), the "upside", if you can crudely call it that, is this news might trigger a very important discussion in her fanbase about abuse. I'm stunned how early the kind of apologist rationalizing happens in girls: he only hit me once. He was drunk. I shouldn't have upset him. These are tweens I'm talking about.


    I know it maybe be uncomfortable, and earlier than you'd like to have discussed it, (if ever) but imho it's an important discussion to have.

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    Image of southernbelle southernbelle
    02/09/09

    @AtomicMonkeyMouse: @Yes.We.Did.Dagnabbit.: Thanks guys. It is a tough situation, and I am happy that at the very least, I get to address it on my own terms with her before it becomes a problem closer to home.


    This is one of those things that you don't really think about having to deal with when you're pregnant. I was all worried about not being able to change a diaper, but it was this stuff that I should have been thinking about.

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    Image of whynotshesaid whynotshesaid
    02/09/09

    @southernbelle: How sad for your daughter. I can't imagine.


    I second everyone else - please take this as an opportunity to talk to your daughter about this.

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    Image of clevernamehere clevernamehere
    02/09/09

    @southernbelle: If it makes you feel any better, it probably won't be that hard to explain. I'm sure she's seen some bullying at school and its pretty much the same thing.
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    Image of gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy
    02/09/09

    @whynotshesaid: And your sons.


    I have an 11 year-old son, and he's a baseball-playing, baseball-watching fanatic. He has questions about the things he hears about some of the players, i.e. wife beaters (thanks, Phillies), drug users (yeah, you, A-Rod), etc. Thankfully, my husband is of the mind that these guys are useless pieces of shit and makes no bones about it, but it really is confusing to him.


    How do you explain to a kid that money rules all? And like I said on an earlier thread, if you can throw a ball or sing a song, it doesn't matter what you do or how bad it is? Is this truly how we want our kids to be raised or think this is how the world should work?


    I get so goddamned mad when I see shit like this.

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    Image of Treeless Treeless
    02/09/09

    @gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy: Thank you, thank you. It's sad, but I didn't even think of this.


    I'm glad your husband is such a good father to his son.

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    Image of gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy
    02/09/09

    @Treeless: Values. He has them. And it's hard sometimes to raise a kid to have values in a society that is so skewed. Ah, the joys of parenthood!
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    Image of whynotshesaid whynotshesaid
    02/09/09

    @gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy: Duh. *headslap* You are absolutely right. And also, your husband sounds like a gem.
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    Image of KillMeNow no longer has a future in journalism KillMeNow no longer has a future in journalism
    02/09/09

    In reply to What Will Happen To Chris Brown & Rihanna?
    So if I beat my wife it's four years, and if I threaten to beat her it's nine years?
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    Image of NefariousNewt NefariousNewt
    02/09/09

    @KillMeNow no longer has a future in journalism: And if you kill her, you're Drew Peterson.
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    Image of Rosaxé Rosaxé
    02/09/09

    In reply to What Will Happen To Chris Brown & Rihanna?
    I'm so disappointed...Chris Brown looked like such a cute boy, and he and Rihanna made such a cute couple.
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    Image of Kivrin Kivrin
    02/09/09

    @Rosaxe: Well, you know the old saying about books and their covers...
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    02/09/09

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    It is messed up that making criminal threats gets almost double the amount of prison that domestic abuse does.
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    02/09/09

    @onedivinehammer: I was reading the comments wondering why no one commented on THAT.

    Threatening someone is worse than actually assaulting them?

    Why???????
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    Image of hypnotic hypnotic
    02/09/09

    In reply to What Will Happen To Chris Brown & Rihanna?
    why are people assuming jayz would be her protector? he was a label executive who "signed" her which isn't saying much since jay didn't sign anyone on rocafella that was all dame.


    he has no vested interest in rhianna...it would be nice but she's an adult i don't think she needs him to have her back. she has friends and family. i hope she's well. and i for one am already tired of hearing all these rumors.

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    Image of BeAgrestic BeAgrestic
    02/09/09

    In reply to What Will Happen To Chris Brown & Rihanna?
    This whole situation makes me so sad. I'm going to be so disappointed if the media coverage continues to devolve into a series of accounts of Saturday night from unnamed sources.

    If this really happened, I can't even begin to imagine how vulnerable RiRi must feel. And to have to deal with it so publicly.

    Be strong, girl.
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    Image of Monique Green Monique Green
    02/09/09

    In reply to What Will Happen To Chris Brown & Rihanna?
    The combination of this story and Lifetime playing "What's Love Got To Do With It?" has gotten my blood pressure out of sorts today.


    On one hand, I'm irate and will not chew a piece of Wrigley's as long as Chris Brown is endorsed by them.
    On the other hand, I know that Chris Brown is a childhood victim now fully immersed in the devastating cycle of domestic violence.
    I just hope that he sees the error of his ways and works with childhood victims who are coping with what they've witnessed growing up.
    As for Rihanna, she's in my prayers. Most victims of DV don't have their names released to the world like that. It's not right.

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    02/09/09

    @Monique Green: I seriously hope this is a wake up call for him and he gets the help he needs. It's clear he was/is a victim of domestic violence as well.
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