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Grim Reaper of the Forest
12/01/09

In reply to "A Woman Who Had Everything Lost Her Life For A Firmer Behind"
After having had two surgeries (gallbladder and thyroid) I am much more reluctant to consider doing elective surgery. I am a paranoid person, so the thought of all the possible complications freaks me out.
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bananaballs
12/01/09

@Grim Reaper of the Forest: I had elective surgery. It was to excise skin grafts on my upper thighs from a fire I was in when I was extremely young. It was supposed to be 3 surgeries but I haven't gone back after the first. Too painful. It also made me realize that the scars are a part of who I am and my history and remind me of being a survivor and yada yada yada. My attitude may seem flippant, but I'm not sure I would have felt the way I do if I didn't go through with the first one.

I'm probably just a weenie deep down (it sucked!) but all in all, I can understand elective procedures, especially if you haven't gone through any before. I will say, even though I don't know how she chose her doctor, that I went for a professor at Columbia Presbyterian rather than just any doctor in the phone book. That made a huge difference in the experience.
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Grim Reaper of the Forest
12/01/09

@bananaballs: I agree, and the elective surgery I have considered has to do with fixing a tear in my hip cartilage. There is definitely a scale between completely superfluous surgery and elective surgery that can significantly improve the quality of your life. My point was along the same lines, that it may seem like a good option to improve your life until you have had one or more surgeries and realize that they are no joke, elective or not.
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femme-bot
12/01/09

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Why are some commenters assuming she didn't know she could die from surgury?
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Benevolent_Dictatrix (patently absurd)
12/01/09

@femme-bot: In my comment below I wasn't assuming that she didn't know. I just think that the risks are hugely downplayed in societies where surgery is viewed as a necessary "beauty treatment" rather than a dangerous procedure.
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lostinalunchbox
12/01/09

@femme-bot: trust me, in the wrongful death lawsuit, the complaint will hinge on her not having given 'informed consent', i.e, that her doctor did not fully disclose the risks and benefits about the procedure. Whether or not that is true we'll never know, but is what will be claimed.We are supposed to discuss - and document the discussion - major and minor risks with all patients, but many, especially older doctors who spent more of their career in a less-litigous environment, are pretty cavalier about this. People doing elective surgery for cash are especially inclined to down-play risks because you don't want to scare your patients off. As a resident, I have no financial interest in my cases (my small salary is guarunteed and in no way tied to how much work I do), so I have no reason like that to not do it. But I've had ladies decide against an IUD when I mention the 1 in 1000 risk of a uterine perforation, or decide not to have an abortion when I mention the small risks of complications. Its heartbreaking to try to provide people with needed medical treatment and have them decide against it due to a theoretical risk. So, no, I don't think she thought she might die from this procedure. Even if her doc did do decent informed consent, I doubt if "this might kill you" was explicitly part of it.
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Grim Reaper of the Forest
12/01/09

@lostinalunchbox: There has been interesting research showing how people generally are bad at evaluating risks and probabilities.
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Maritsa
12/01/09

@lostinalunchbox: Plus, you're talking about informed consent in the U.S. I'm not impugning Argentine healthcare, but I don't know what their consent forms looked like. It's a less litigious society, so chances are they aren't as onerous. God knows people are able to sue all the damn time for med mal even when they have given supposedly informed consent. Just like people sue in products liability cases when they read the warnings and then didn't abide by them.
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BetteD
12/01/09

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Heartbreaking. I can only hope that this tragedy is handled with some tact in the media. She had two children. There just aren't any words.
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Benevolent_Dictatrix (patently absurd)
12/01/09

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I hate how plastic surgery has been so normalized in pop culture. Shows like Dr 90210 make it seem quick and easy, but people need to remember that it is "real" surgery and you can die from it.
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Tchotchke
12/01/09

@Benevolent_Dictatrix (patently absurd): I agree and I would add that those shows have also added an element of glamour. In the past, I think plastic surgery was something people tried to downplay, but those shows have made plastic surgery a status-symbol. Obviously, plastic surgery should not be stigmatized, but I don't think it's necessary to glamourize it either.
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Gumbina80
12/01/09

@Benevolent_Dictatrix (patently absurd): A lot of shows show a person recovering from plastic surgery in a nice spa or hotel. They have bandages one minute, and then in the next scene they look fabulous.
Even I started to think "Maybe it really is that easy. Maybe it's not too bad." This story brought it all back into perspective.
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Benevolent_Dictatrix (patently absurd)
12/01/09

@Gumbina80: Yeah, after nursing my mom through a mastectomy and reconstruction, those shows pretty much fill me with rage.
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prismatism is Team Bella
12/01/09

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I don't believe in Hell, but I should go there for this... but what popped into my mind when I read this...

"Wasn't my mom a Betty? She died when I was just a baby. A freak accident during a routine liposuction."

This really sucks though, and it sucks even more that it will probably be twisted as "oh, silly women, so obsessed with beauty".
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UrbanAchiever
11/18/09

In reply to Caught On Tape
If she represents both Trinidad and Tobago, couldn't that almost make it a foursome?
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Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
11/18/09

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This was actually covered by Gawker, and (I think) Fleshbot, a few days back- it was initially thought to be two Miss Universe contestants (Gawker's Azaria Jagger somewhat cynically suggests that it was because of the Western assumption that all Asians look alike), but it transpires that it was actually between Ayoung-Chee, her boyfriend, and a friend.
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snappletree
11/18/09

@Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Well THERE'S her first problem. The third person is supposed to be a stranger. Doesn't she watch Gossip Girl?
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susanstohelit
11/18/09

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I honestly don't care what beauty queens or anyone else does in their bedroom, and it's only newsworthy when a beauty pageant contestant has a "sex scandal" involving consensual intimacy because we take a sick glee in knocking these women off their pedestals. The unobtainable, beautiful woman with the perfect smile and the platitudes about peace and love is shown to be a sexual being who likes getting kinky in the bedroom. Shocking.
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Tippi Hedren
11/18/09

@susanstohelit: I think the issue that some people have is that these women are (whether by choice or not) role models for young girls.

Although, I'm with you. Who gives a shit? They're not hurting anyone.
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morninggloria
11/18/09

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The porn industry and the beauty pageant industry should just merge.
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lovelyleela
11/18/09

@morninggloria: Yeah, the talent competition would be most excellent.
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femme-bot
11/18/09

@morninggloria: But then nice conservative xtian (xxxtian?) girls couldn't compete.
Oh...wait.
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SomeAuthorGirl
11/18/09

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Someone needs to take on the responsibility of telling beauty queens that it is ok to say 'no thanks' to a request to digitally capture the sexytimes. They may not know. Such as.
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FrannyR
11/18/09

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Never done a sex tape, neither has any of the friends I've asked so I wonder: What do you do with it afterwards? Do you watch it? Because ppl ain't pretty when they are having sex. Bodies aren't attractive from certain angles. There are several faces I don't want to see myself do, and several angles I don't want to see my self from, and that goes double for everyone else. I don't want someone to calmly study my sex-faces.
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femme-bot
11/18/09

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What is it with pageants and porn? Why don't they just cut to the chase and replace the "talent" section with "sex tapes".
Hey, it'd make them more interesting. People might actually watch them then!
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mikaelamac
11/18/09

@femme-bot: That is a stellar idea.
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femme-bot
11/18/09

@mikaelamac: 'Round these parts, they call us "the problem solvers".
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Dodgergirl
11/18/09

In reply to Caught On Tape
I originally read "assignation" as "assassination" and was thinking there was some strange real-life Zoolander thing happening on the pageant circuits that I'd missed. Sex tape makes more sense.
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Zombie Ms. Skittles
11/18/09

In reply to Caught On Tape
Dear other people,

Don't read the comments on the NY Daily News site.

You have been warned.

-Z
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TheUptightMidwesterner
11/18/09

In reply to Caught On Tape
See, shit like this doesn't happen in the "Princess Kay of the Milky Way" pageant.
Just sayin'...
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