Hey Dickerson - guess who actually WORKS in abortion clinics? Young women who might like to blog a bit too - even if it's not about working in a fucking abortion clinic.
I spent 4 years working for Planned Parenthood, and 3 years working at a private abortion clinic. Pretty much all of the staff were women in their 20s and early 30s.
ENOUGH with the generational sniping. I got enough of that merde during the Democratic primaries.
I love being 40. I remember when i was 20 and the older feminists wanted to book "sweet Honey in the Rock" as the band and we didn't. Now it's my gen doing it to you. When you get to 80 , you must have seen many variations of this. Perhaps thats why some say from 70 to 80 are the best years. You can see a bigger picture. We reacted just like you guys. I have been hearing variations of this for a while.
She is not delivering it in the nicest way possible but I do think there is a bland indifference today about what we have achieved, how far there still is to go, and how tenuous many of their new-found rights really are.
I'm close to forty and the young women I work with seem blissfully unaware that their right to work while pregnant is a right my mother's generation fought long and hard for. They can't comprehend a world where it was legal to fire a woman once she started to show or where a married woman had to get permission from her husband to take birth control or where a woman could be barred from public places for wearing pants.
They don't seem to get all that worked up when their reproductive rights are threatened by laws restricting abortion access. I know it sounds like I'm all "When I was young we had to walk uphill in the snow both ways" but the complacency is scary to me.
@DramaClub: We're not all complacent! Oh, hell no. This young woman has studied the history, knows that when her great-grandmothers got their US citizenship they didn't have the vote, knows that being on birth control while single is a privilege my grandmothers didn't have, and has a mother who still did most of the domestic labor while also working full time to support our family while my dad went back to school, because he had 'homework' that took precedence over caring for his children.
Me, I want to work in the field of reproductive rights. It's something I'm passionate about. My mom took me to the Mall in 2004 for the March for Women's Lives- I was in ninth grade. Changed my life, seriously.
Every generation faces the issue of female equality but in a different context. So it's not surprising that "this" generation of feminists express their search for equality in blogs on the internet.
In a way Dickerson complaining about young feminists today blogging about equality would be like my grandmother's generation complaining that we 70s feminists needed to get out and march for Women's Right to Vote while wearing dresses with bustles. Because that's the kind of feminism that they knew so it must be the right kind.
Silly. Why dissipate everyone's energy by creating intergenerational conflicts over irrelevant details?
"Tell me exactly what today's feminists are doing for the struggle. Besides posting disses against old chicks like me. You got that covered."
Well, let's see. I spent Monday night trashed, because it was Purim, which is a Jewish holiday in which you are asked to get so drunk you can't distinguish between the names of the hero and the villain of the story. And I reprised my Halloween costume as Slutty Hermione. So I was a drunk girl in high heels and a short skirt dancing in the coed section at the Hillel party. There are pictures of me in costume, and I am definitely drunk in those pictures. They just haven't been posted to Facebook yet.
Meanwhile, last Friday and Saturday I was performing in The Vagina Monologues, helping to raise a shit ton of money that will go towards charities that work to end gender based violence, and this week I'm helping out at our Vagina Week of events. Oh, and I've sent out a resume and cover letter to six or seven feminist organizations in the past few weeks, looking for a summer internship within "the struggle."
And how are these things mutually exclusive? Remind me why I can't get drunk with my friends and fight the good fight?
Sorry, I was too busy running around outside, drunk, wearing a thong and straddling passersby, so I didn't get to read this. And now I'm off to take nude pix of myself and my lascivious ladyfriends which we will then post on Myspace. After that, I have a stage to take. When they announce "Ms. Velvet-Crotch will now work the pole for the menz enjoyment!!" I will feel that special rush of pride for my own brand of Modern Feminism.
Then I'll blow some guys in the VIP lounge for $500 each. And then I'll go to the club and grind on everybody, guys and girls alike.
Wait, what?
I'm actually going to go home and play with the dog and then decide what I want to make for dinner. Then I'll make the dish of my choice and then I'll watch TV or read my book. Then I'll bathe and go to bed. For now, though, I'm gonna sit right here on my Jeze-perch and talk about how I want everyone to be able to access decent healthcare and how women should be able to obtain abortions safely and should not be made to feel like shit if they decide to obtain one. And how I think it's bullshit to be "put in my place" because I'm not out yelling into a bullhorn or anything. I'm offended, can you tell? I am sick to death of being told every day that I'm not good enough for this or that. Christ.
@badmutha: What? I couldn't hear you- the booty-shaking beat is just too loud in here. I've taken to wearing earplugs while I'm onstage. Also, would you happen to have any adhesive? My pasties keep falling off.
Oh, bummer. I liked the headline so much better than Dickerson's complaints! (RANT BELOW)
I'm forced to wonder, as someone who is hardly a "New Jane" feminist, but (I don't think) a contemporary of Dickerson's, why, oh why, so many feminists take on Younger Feminist Bashing as their recreational pastime as they age. It's not helpful, it's not healthy, and, as an exercise, it doesn't even count as cardio or muscle-building activity. All it causes is a buildup and calcification of resentment in the older feminists' veins, and an over-development of muscle in the middle finger of the younger, criticized feminists who say, "F-off. Where the hell have you been, lady?"
to the rebuke.
I don't think "What have you done for me (or "US") lately" is an appropriate critique of a social movement, especially one based on volunteerism and DIY activism. People do what they can, in the way that they can, with the time and resources that they have.
Not everyone gets paid to blog or write. Not everyone gets their bills paid to work in a field that aligns with, or is born of, the movement they support. And not everyone who marches under your banner shapes their cause in the same way. But shut-down/shout-down style antagonism is not useful when faced with these realities. Critique and dialog would be better. Like, "What's up with you?" rather than, "Here's why you suck, little miss!"
"Pole-dancing, walking around half-naked, posting drunk photos on Facebook, and blogging about your sex lives ain't exactly what we previous generations thought feminism was. We thought it was about taking it to the streets."
But I thought feminists were all butch, man-hating, hairy. lesbian mechanics? I'm so confused!
I think I get what she was trying to say, even if I disagree. I think what she's trying to point out, is that in her day, feminism was about other women--actively consciousness raising and what. But today's feminists seem to be more about their own feminism. I am a feminist, therefore I can... rather than I am a feminist and I want to see us achieve...
The examples she gave, "pole-dancing" etc. while seeming to be slut shaming on some level, I can also see how they're examples of self-centric feminism. Worrying more about the right of your vagina to rub on a pole, versus the rights of millions to have choice. I don't think she realizes you can have both at the same time. But I see where she's coming from, in a way.
@SuperSally: And trust me. In the 70s more of us thought about our individuality as feminists than ever went to consciousness raising groups. I'm certain the vast majority of us didn't take to the streets unless we were going to and from college and/or jobs and worrying about daycare.
"But you young chicks maybe need to go the Northern Exposure route, sending folks to med school in exchange for a few years running an abortion clinic."
Is there a young chicks fund we can access? Because I must have missed that memo.
The "Not being the RIGHT kind of feminist" arguments smack of hypocrisy. Don't listen to the patriarchy trying to decide how you should behave! Also pull up your tanktop because your tits are showing you SLUT.
While I don't personally feel encouraged when women equate behaviors traditionally tied to objectification with feminism, I'll be damned if I dictate how they can and cannot identify themselves. Sometimes I think Dickerson is just pulling a tepid lefty Coulter act. Does she actually think there's one definition of feminism? Isn't it fundamental to the cause that we accept the presence and proliferation of many feminisms?
Actually, I think the meaning really IS contextualized and contingent; it can't possibly be the same exact thing to any two people, much less any two cultures. But I do think that pro-pole dancing women and pro-choice activists can both fit into a not-overly-broad set of parameters (wherein, e.g., it's agreed that women have agency over their own bodies).
"Pole-dancing, walking around half-naked, posting drunk photos on Facebook, and blogging about your sex lives ain't exactly what we previous generations thought feminism was. We thought it was about taking it to the streets."
I'll give you a "huh?" and raise you a "wha?"
What does this type of behavior have to do with anything? What does "taking it to the streets" even mean? Does it mean a dance fight? Cause I am ALL for that.
Who are these pole-dancing half-naked feminists? I'm sick of people bitching about feminists who in no way resemble the productive activist feminists I know. STFU.
@Lymed: Fair enough, that came out a bit pissy. I just get frustrated with painting our whole generation of "third-wave" feminists with one sexuality-brush. Dickerson seems the think we live on the Girls Gone Wild bus or something.
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I spent 4 years working for Planned Parenthood, and 3 years working at a private abortion clinic. Pretty much all of the staff were women in their 20s and early 30s.
ENOUGH with the generational sniping. I got enough of that merde during the Democratic primaries.
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I'm close to forty and the young women I work with seem blissfully unaware that their right to work while pregnant is a right my mother's generation fought long and hard for. They can't comprehend a world where it was legal to fire a woman once she started to show or where a married woman had to get permission from her husband to take birth control or where a woman could be barred from public places for wearing pants.
They don't seem to get all that worked up when their reproductive rights are threatened by laws restricting abortion access. I know it sounds like I'm all "When I was young we had to walk uphill in the snow both ways" but the complacency is scary to me.
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Me, I want to work in the field of reproductive rights. It's something I'm passionate about. My mom took me to the Mall in 2004 for the March for Women's Lives- I was in ninth grade. Changed my life, seriously.
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In a way Dickerson complaining about young feminists today blogging about equality would be like my grandmother's generation complaining that we 70s feminists needed to get out and march for Women's Right to Vote while wearing dresses with bustles. Because that's the kind of feminism that they knew so it must be the right kind.
Silly. Why dissipate everyone's energy by creating intergenerational conflicts over irrelevant details?
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Well, let's see. I spent Monday night trashed, because it was Purim, which is a Jewish holiday in which you are asked to get so drunk you can't distinguish between the names of the hero and the villain of the story. And I reprised my Halloween costume as Slutty Hermione. So I was a drunk girl in high heels and a short skirt dancing in the coed section at the Hillel party. There are pictures of me in costume, and I am definitely drunk in those pictures. They just haven't been posted to Facebook yet.
Meanwhile, last Friday and Saturday I was performing in The Vagina Monologues, helping to raise a shit ton of money that will go towards charities that work to end gender based violence, and this week I'm helping out at our Vagina Week of events. Oh, and I've sent out a resume and cover letter to six or seven feminist organizations in the past few weeks, looking for a summer internship within "the struggle."
And how are these things mutually exclusive? Remind me why I can't get drunk with my friends and fight the good fight?
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Then I'll blow some guys in the VIP lounge for $500 each. And then I'll go to the club and grind on everybody, guys and girls alike.
Wait, what?
I'm actually going to go home and play with the dog and then decide what I want to make for dinner. Then I'll make the dish of my choice and then I'll watch TV or read my book. Then I'll bathe and go to bed. For now, though, I'm gonna sit right here on my Jeze-perch and talk about how I want everyone to be able to access decent healthcare and how women should be able to obtain abortions safely and should not be made to feel like shit if they decide to obtain one. And how I think it's bullshit to be "put in my place" because I'm not out yelling into a bullhorn or anything. I'm offended, can you tell? I am sick to death of being told every day that I'm not good enough for this or that. Christ.
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Seriously, though. Thanks.
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I'm forced to wonder, as someone who is hardly a "New Jane" feminist, but (I don't think) a contemporary of Dickerson's, why, oh why, so many feminists take on Younger Feminist Bashing as their recreational pastime as they age. It's not helpful, it's not healthy, and, as an exercise, it doesn't even count as cardio or muscle-building activity. All it causes is a buildup and calcification of resentment in the older feminists' veins, and an over-development of muscle in the middle finger of the younger, criticized feminists who say, "F-off. Where the hell have you been, lady?"
to the rebuke.
I don't think "What have you done for me (or "US") lately" is an appropriate critique of a social movement, especially one based on volunteerism and DIY activism. People do what they can, in the way that they can, with the time and resources that they have.
Not everyone gets paid to blog or write. Not everyone gets their bills paid to work in a field that aligns with, or is born of, the movement they support. And not everyone who marches under your banner shapes their cause in the same way. But shut-down/shout-down style antagonism is not useful when faced with these realities. Critique and dialog would be better. Like, "What's up with you?" rather than, "Here's why you suck, little miss!"
In short, DICKERSON: NOT HELPFUL. FEMINIST FAIL.
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But I thought feminists were all butch, man-hating, hairy. lesbian mechanics? I'm so confused!
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The examples she gave, "pole-dancing" etc. while seeming to be slut shaming on some level, I can also see how they're examples of self-centric feminism. Worrying more about the right of your vagina to rub on a pole, versus the rights of millions to have choice. I don't think she realizes you can have both at the same time. But I see where she's coming from, in a way.
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Is there a young chicks fund we can access? Because I must have missed that memo.
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Kinda judgey if you ask me.
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Damn you, higher education...
Actually, I think the meaning really IS contextualized and contingent; it can't possibly be the same exact thing to any two people, much less any two cultures. But I do think that pro-pole dancing women and pro-choice activists can both fit into a not-overly-broad set of parameters (wherein, e.g., it's agreed that women have agency over their own bodies).
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I'll give you a "huh?" and raise you a "wha?"
What does this type of behavior have to do with anything? What does "taking it to the streets" even mean? Does it mean a dance fight? Cause I am ALL for that.
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