@Flackette Goes Retro: More like the Yiddishesignal, but yes. BeckySharper and I are sisters in our love of discussing Judaism... though she does have the added benefit of actually being Jewish.
Gosh I really don't get this. I didn't find out my daughter's sex before hand and I haven't found out the current fetus's sex either. I can't say i give a shit whether they're girls or boys, the truth is that they'll grow up to be evil teenage monsters who hate me for a period of their lives and then hopefully come back round to liking me later on regardless of what sex they are.
I understand not wanting to expose a hypothetical daughter to the world's misogyny, but... wouldn't you want to keep your son away from that misogyny as well?
I've babysat both a boy and a girl. For some reason I do better with boys. I was a tomboy growing up and I still am, I like a lot of things that make it easy for me to connect with guys about them. So when I think of having kids, I do kind of automatically think "boy." Not because I wouldn't love a girl, but I'm kind of scared I'll be a crappy parent because I never liked any of those "girly girl" things that some girls like, and what if my poor child wants me to play princess with her and I'm completely clueless?
But then of course I remember that while that cute little baby boy I may end up with will eventually discover his penis and I will be just as lost in explaining that one, so it probably all evens out in the end.
@SkipToMyLou: 'I feel the same way when women write about preferring/only having male friends, becuase adult women are just grown-up mean girls, or bullies.'
I was just thinking about that. 'Oh, I don't have any female friends, they're too catty!' 'I could never raise a girl, I hate pink and frilly stuff!'
Talk about being self-unaware. You can only hear so many women saying this kind of crap before you've got to wonder how they've never found one another.
Plus these are the same types of people who swear it's all ingrained - toy choices, favorite colors, career trajectories. Couldn't have anything to do with parental pressure or expectations.
Here's hoping they can handle little boys who like 'girly things' and/or turn out to be gay.
If I follow this "no girls" concept to its extreme I am left wondering: But what about the children? Will no one think of the children?!! Wait let me frame it like this; who will give birth? who will raise the future generation? Who will care for aging parents? Who will be the checks and balances that society needs? Who will perform the tasks needed for a healthy and whole society that is not deemed important, masculine work? Though realistically I realize this won't likely happen as there are so many parents who just want a healthy baby. Side note - I think raising a boy would be more difficult, but I too come from a matriarchy.
Let's see, males make up what percentage of the prison population again? But boys are just a breeze to raise whilst girls are terrors, right? What a crock of shit. Isn't anyone worried that their hypothetical baby boy will grow up to be a gang member or rapist or something? Or doesn't it matter as long as he's not the one getting raped or becoming a pregnant teen?
i recall seeing somewhere an adage that with raising boys, you only have to worry about your own, but with raising girls, you have to worry about everybody else's boys. it's an awful adage, but i fear too many parents take that direction all the time.
@rednrowdy: It's just so sick to think that people with dim, fatalistic view of men PREFER baby boys. Like, well men are evil monsters so I'd rather spawn boys than girls. :shudder:
@SarahMC: ball-cutting cybersuccubus: I got into a huge discussion (borderline fight) with a friend when she was pregnant with her second (a boy, having already had a daughter). I said basically the same thing.
The reasons "boys are easier to raise" is because we LET THEM GET AWAY WITH SHIT.
@SarahMC: ball-cutting cybersuccubus: I'm with you here. I always thought boys would be more difficult not least because all the teenage boys I knew were skunk-smoking wasters who thought nothing of stealing from their parents and who tended to flunk school due to a whole 'nothing matters i'll get by' attitude. Many of them later sorted their lives out but christ teenage boys seem hard work to me and that's before you get to the points which you raised.
When I moved to the UK, I was really surprised that doctors here refuse to tell parents the gender before birth- the medical profession advises them not to, because the high proportion of Indian and Muslim families with preferences for sons had in the past led to gender-based abortions. Now, no one can know. I thought that was the saddest thing ever.
@GoodBadNotEvil: why? Why is it sad? I find it absolutely peculiar this American obsession with knowing beforehand. I've never met anyone who was desperate to know except in this country.
oh tori. again, playing the whole 'mommy and i don't get along' thing to the press.
as much as parents do the whole 'mini-me' thing with their kids, here's a thought! your children are not you at that age...they are their own unique individual person that you helped to create. they are a part of you but they are not a reincarnation of you.
i see this all the time with friends of mine who become parents. they have grandiose plans; "they'll be in ice skates by the time they are 3 and they'll be in soccer at 6...". i said to them "but what if they are good in music? what if they prefer to paint instead of ride bikes?". they didn't have an answer for that.
@rednrowdy: My biggest hope for having children is that I'll be a good enough parent to help each child explore who he/she is and guide him/her to be the best version of him/herself. There was so much "you should" growing up for me, that I'd like my kids to find their wants... of course, I'd like to get pregnant first :)
I seriously cannot imagine the RAGE I would feel on behalf of a daughter knowing the anger the world engenders in me on my own behalf. But I don't consider that "girl hate."
I've always wanted to have little girls. I mean, little girl dresses! And doing their hair! Eeeep!
But I've come around to little boys. They can be adorbs. And it would be fun to raise a feminist man.
And I suppose I could always just pretend my son was a little girl--like when my little brother Noam was 2 and my sister and I would call him "Na'ama" and dress him up in girl clothes.
Yeah, just kidding about that last part. Not the sister-and-I part, but the future-mom-me part.
Anyone who'd abort a female fetus is exactly the type of person who shouldn't be allowed within ten feet of a little girl, anyway. Though it is worrying to think that some women would be pressured into it by guys who want sons.
Am I the only person who cringes a little when guys go apeshit after finding out 'It's a boy!' even if it's just on TV or something? Because there are thousands of years of precedent for being happier about that than having a girl. You have someone who'll carry on 'the family name,' someone who doesn't need a dowry, someone who'll get an education. Sure a lot has changed (at least in some countries - I have Indian friends whose brothers got huge parties for their births while they were lucky to be born).
@HeatherNumber1: It's for this reason that I just can't relax about women like Tori and Amy Wilson casually saying they really want(ed) a boy. Maybe when baby girls aren't murdered for being girls we can joke about it.
@SarahMC: ball-cutting cybersuccubus: @HeatherNumber1: You know who else writes about this? Another famous mommy blogger, Rebbecca Woolf of Girls Gone Child. Her whole first book was about how crazy grateful she was when she found out she was having a boy.
I loathe they way some women don't want girl children because they think that teen girls are "complicated" or "mean" or "trouble" and boys are "honest" and "fun". It's serious male privileging, and it fucking sucks that it begins in the womb.
I feel the same way when women write about preferring/only having male friends, becuase adult women are just grown-up mean girls, or bullies.
@HeatherNumber1: Anyone who'd abort a female fetus is exactly the type of person who shouldn't be allowed within ten feet of a little girl, anyway.
I would add to this that those mothers and fathers who want a boy and not a girl so badly shouldn't be parents period. What can they be teaching their sons about the value of women?
@HeatherNumber1: And yeah, I cringe when men talk about how great it is to have a boy. They always talk about how they'll get to play catch with him, and I wonder if they would be less enthusiastic about being a parent to their girl.
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But then of course I remember that while that cute little baby boy I may end up with will eventually discover his penis and I will be just as lost in explaining that one, so it probably all evens out in the end.
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I was just thinking about that. 'Oh, I don't have any female friends, they're too catty!' 'I could never raise a girl, I hate pink and frilly stuff!'
Talk about being self-unaware. You can only hear so many women saying this kind of crap before you've got to wonder how they've never found one another.
Plus these are the same types of people who swear it's all ingrained - toy choices, favorite colors, career trajectories. Couldn't have anything to do with parental pressure or expectations.
Here's hoping they can handle little boys who like 'girly things' and/or turn out to be gay.
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Side note - I think raising a boy would be more difficult, but I too come from a matriarchy.
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that's the truth right there.
i recall seeing somewhere an adage that with raising boys, you only have to worry about your own, but with raising girls, you have to worry about everybody else's boys. it's an awful adage, but i fear too many parents take that direction all the time.
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The reasons "boys are easier to raise" is because we LET THEM GET AWAY WITH SHIT.
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Jezemoms, tell me if I'm off-track but I thought the first overwhelming, innate emotion that overtakes you when you become a parent - for many even as soon as you become pregnant - is protectiveness. The urge to protect this little life that you are going to pour your physical, emotional and financial resources into. To make sure that it grows up to survive at the very least.
Of course no one wants their kid to be Jeffrey Dahmer, but I would not be not surprised to find a preference for a child of the gender that is less likely to be injured or killed (even if it means an increased risk that the child will kill or injure someone else).
In other words, parents tend to be a lot more concerned about their own kids than other people's.
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as much as parents do the whole 'mini-me' thing with their kids, here's a thought! your children are not you at that age...they are their own unique individual person that you helped to create. they are a part of you but they are not a reincarnation of you.
i see this all the time with friends of mine who become parents. they have grandiose plans; "they'll be in ice skates by the time they are 3 and they'll be in soccer at 6...". i said to them "but what if they are good in music? what if they prefer to paint instead of ride bikes?". they didn't have an answer for that.
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But I've come around to little boys. They can be adorbs. And it would be fun to raise a feminist man.
And I suppose I could always just pretend my son was a little girl--like when my little brother Noam was 2 and my sister and I would call him "Na'ama" and dress him up in girl clothes.
Yeah, just kidding about that last part. Not the sister-and-I part, but the future-mom-me part.
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Am I the only person who cringes a little when guys go apeshit after finding out 'It's a boy!' even if it's just on TV or something? Because there are thousands of years of precedent for being happier about that than having a girl. You have someone who'll carry on 'the family name,' someone who doesn't need a dowry, someone who'll get an education. Sure a lot has changed (at least in some countries - I have Indian friends whose brothers got huge parties for their births while they were lucky to be born).
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I loathe they way some women don't want girl children because they think that teen girls are "complicated" or "mean" or "trouble" and boys are "honest" and "fun". It's serious male privileging, and it fucking sucks that it begins in the womb.
I feel the same way when women write about preferring/only having male friends, becuase adult women are just grown-up mean girls, or bullies.
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I would add to this that those mothers and fathers who want a boy and not a girl so badly shouldn't be parents period. What can they be teaching their sons about the value of women?
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