In the past, it was said that women were hardwired to better tolerate boring, repetitive jobs, which justified keeping them in low-level positions while men were promoted to the good jobs.
I don't like the idea of this guy speaking for all men on the subject of fatherhood. He is far, far removed from what my own Dad was like.
My Dad raised me as a single parent, then turned around and raised my little brother as a single parent after a nasty divorce. He's never received child support from my mother or my brother's mom, did all the housework/cleaning while running his own business, was involved in our extracurriculars and raised me to be the feminist I am today...
He would be incredibly offended and appalled by this book. He's always complaining that single fathers don't get a fair shake or their just due because there are so many deadbeat dads and uninvolved fathers out there giving the rest of them a bad name. I think he's right.
As far as the housework/chores go, he's been amazing in helping to 'train' my husband's line of thinking. My husband was raised by a Mom who refused to let him do any housework or cleaning because 'you'd screw it up'. When we first got together I did all the cleaning, cooking and all the stuff in between simply because hubs had no idea that I expected/wanted him to. It only took a few dinners at my Dads where my dad COOKED and then turned around and CLEANED for him to realize that all those old, tired gender roles his Mom taught him are ridiculous. He still won't do laundry, though. I think he's afraid of detergent. I let him off the hook cause he mows the grass (I'm allergic).
Michael Lewis is so convinced that his way of being a father is every man's way of being a father that it hasn't even occurred to him that his "nature" argument hurts every man who stays at home and every man who would like equal custody. If women are naturally better at parenting than men, then they shouldn't even be considered for stay at home parenthood or custody.
And I'm sure his kids will love reading about how he didn't love them for two years!
My mom was a SAHM when my brother and I were growing up, so she naturally did most of the housekeeping and child-chasing and groceries and all that. (Dad works very long hours at his own business--a ranching operation--and so Mom did most of the work.)
My mom had some severe health problems when I was about 10 years old, which put her in the hospital for months and prevented her from being able to take care of us kids or look after the house for about a year. During that time, did my dad bitch and moan about how horrible it was that no one did his laundry?
No, the man came home after working a 12-hour day, and then he patiently, carefully, and with good humor, picked up the house and made us dinner. While he worked around the house, he showed us kids how to do laundry, showed us how to cook some basics, showed us how to pick out clothes, showed us how to do our homework, showed us how to load the dishwasher, showed us when things needed to be swept, mopped, laundered, folded, vacuumed, basically taught us how to run a house during the time our mom was hospitalized.
Granted, we were a little older at the time, but he didn't bitch and piss and moan that no one had made him a burger or washed his jeans. He did it all himself, thoughtfully and carefully, and then (with infinite patience) showed me and my brother how to take care of the house, too. He never complained once, even when we were stressed and acting like jerks because we were worried about mom.
Then, when Mom recovered (she's 100% fine now!) and was able to come home, she didn't bear the whole burden of household work, because we kids could do almost everything for her when she was too sick or tired.
My dad's hard work is, to me, the quintessence of what a parent should be. He was probably going crazy with worry himself, spending long hours out in the fields, and long hours at my mom's side in the hospital, and long hours showing us kids how to be decent, independent humans. He was probably as terrified as we were. But he stepped up to it, told us everything would be okay, and then did what he had to, to make sure we were fed, educated, dressed, and decent. He didn't pitch a fit or whine or even raise his voice. He just calmly stepped up and took care of everything he could.
My dad is a tough, grizzled, all-American, pickup-driving, cowboy-booted, meat-and-potatoes, wisecracking rancher. If he could calmly and gracefully face the challenge of "you are left with all the responsibility your father had - the business end of the household - plus you have all this other stuff", then you, Michael Lewis, have no excuse.
Aren't women, though, because of oxytocin releases in childbirth/nursing/etc, actually biologically a little more likely, on average, with many exceptions I'm sure we can list, to be more "nurturing" than men?
@schweppes: Nope. Men produce oxytocin, too, during orgasm, snuggling, and particularly high levels while holding their kids. That's a ridiculous and unscientific stereotype that needs to go away right quick.
(I wrote a paper on human male oxytocin response in my college physiology class. Here are some references:
@schweppes: Granted, oxytocin levels at birth are about as high as they get. However, 1) oxytocin is not the end-all and be-all of human bonding, 2) many women don't end up producing any oxytocin during birth (because they have C-sections) and still bond with their kids, and 3) the person most likely to kill an infant is his or her mom, which would seem to suggest that mothers do not always automatically magically bond with their kids, oxytocin or no.
@holly217: Hm. I firmly believe that men will continue to act this way and be a giant hindrance to sexual equality because women continue to allow it to happen. We still marry them, have their babies, give them blow-jobs, and follow them around with dust-pans, even though their actions show they don't consider us equal or consider themselves responsible for doing the shit work that's apparently just our lot in life. I understand the frustration with lazy, selfish partners but at a certain point I stop having much sympathy.
Loving your baby isn't that hard and I don't want to hear the "oh it's just a blob" excuse. They're only blobs for a couple months. If your baby can smile right at you and it doesn't melt your cold, dark heart you're dead inside.
My husband avoids housework like the plague, doesn't see anything wrong with spending an entire day playing computer games and can barely boil water - but he's still a good father. I think if it was possible he'd be a househusband in a second. Unfortunately, then we'd live in a pile of dirty dishes and unwashed laundry, choking on huge dog hair furballs before we slowly starved to death because he can't even FIND a grocery store. Ugh, this guy's stupid book just hits too close to home right now.
@BlondeGrlz: I'm sorry, dear. But hey, it sounds like E is trying at least somewhat. My dad let my mom change the diapers, do the dishes, laundry, etc. while having a career. Basically all the housework and take care of the kids, although he still did "fun" stuff with us. But I think my mom didn't want my dad to do too much baby care because "they just mess it up."
I think I'm going to nominate my mom for sainthood now.
His wife is tabitha Soren, and she has a book coming out about how she experienced panic disorder after becoming a mother- related to her husband's attitudes, perhaps? I would imagine her story will be more interesting than his. As a child-free person, its just so fun to skip reading about all this shit!
@hollygirl: I have a child and I skip reading it too, because books about parenting are not interesting to me. There are too many good books I'd rather read.
@Maritsa: good for you! i can't speak from experience (i'm child-free) but i imagine that reading parenting memoirs (if i were a parent) would do nothing but annoy me or make me feel anxious and inadequate.
I heard the NPR interview and in my groggy state I found him pretty obnoxious. It's interesting that his wife is Tabitha Soren, who in the 90s I admired as an awesome and intrepid MTV News reporter. I kept wondering during the interview whether I had been wrong about her, or whether she's changed, or maybe her husband isn't so insufferable in real life...
@LindyLou: She said what, like two things? Honestly, I always liked her -- she was a reporter, she knew her stuff, and gave MTV gravitas, that it has subsequently squandered.
Know what? sometimes its not just that you took time to feel real attachment and experience manifest feelings that your wife approves of. Sometimes...you're just a selfish, whining, narcissist asshole making a buck out of your whining, selfish, narcissist assholiness.
He also says that in fatherhood, for "most men [...] the problem is a lack of natural emotional attachment."
Ok, so I refer to my father as "emotionally constipated" because, well, he is. He was terrible at raising a daughter, and not so good at sons either. That said, I know it was HIS problem. Not a problem indicative of the male population. It was just HIM. So sorry Lewis, but this is YOUR problem. My maternal uncles are not like this, and I can already tell my older brother will be a wonderful, caring, hands-on father. So stop trying to pass off your issues onto all dads out there.
If you don't want to raise a child, take care of a child, deal with a baby, have your sleep interrupted, etc. DO NOT HAVE A KID.
That goes for men and women. Don't want it, don't have it. But don't complain about something you did to yourself. If you wanted to be a parent, then PARENT.
yeah, i'm not clear from any of the links whether or not this guy just kinda went along with his wife when she wanted to have a kid, rather than really wanting a kid himself.
i mean, this is the reason i never wanted kids. none of that infant caretaking appeals to me. but i know it. apparently i too am hardwired to avoid these types of things, even though i'm female.
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What a flimsy excuse for being a lazy ass.
In the past, it was said that women were hardwired to better tolerate boring, repetitive jobs, which justified keeping them in low-level positions while men were promoted to the good jobs.
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My Dad raised me as a single parent, then turned around and raised my little brother as a single parent after a nasty divorce. He's never received child support from my mother or my brother's mom, did all the housework/cleaning while running his own business, was involved in our extracurriculars and raised me to be the feminist I am today...
He would be incredibly offended and appalled by this book. He's always complaining that single fathers don't get a fair shake or their just due because there are so many deadbeat dads and uninvolved fathers out there giving the rest of them a bad name. I think he's right.
As far as the housework/chores go, he's been amazing in helping to 'train' my husband's line of thinking. My husband was raised by a Mom who refused to let him do any housework or cleaning because 'you'd screw it up'. When we first got together I did all the cleaning, cooking and all the stuff in between simply because hubs had no idea that I expected/wanted him to. It only took a few dinners at my Dads where my dad COOKED and then turned around and CLEANED for him to realize that all those old, tired gender roles his Mom taught him are ridiculous. He still won't do laundry, though. I think he's afraid of detergent. I let him off the hook cause he mows the grass (I'm allergic).
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And I'm sure his kids will love reading about how he didn't love them for two years!
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My mom had some severe health problems when I was about 10 years old, which put her in the hospital for months and prevented her from being able to take care of us kids or look after the house for about a year. During that time, did my dad bitch and moan about how horrible it was that no one did his laundry?
No, the man came home after working a 12-hour day, and then he patiently, carefully, and with good humor, picked up the house and made us dinner. While he worked around the house, he showed us kids how to do laundry, showed us how to cook some basics, showed us how to pick out clothes, showed us how to do our homework, showed us how to load the dishwasher, showed us when things needed to be swept, mopped, laundered, folded, vacuumed, basically taught us how to run a house during the time our mom was hospitalized.
Granted, we were a little older at the time, but he didn't bitch and piss and moan that no one had made him a burger or washed his jeans. He did it all himself, thoughtfully and carefully, and then (with infinite patience) showed me and my brother how to take care of the house, too. He never complained once, even when we were stressed and acting like jerks because we were worried about mom.
Then, when Mom recovered (she's 100% fine now!) and was able to come home, she didn't bear the whole burden of household work, because we kids could do almost everything for her when she was too sick or tired.
My dad's hard work is, to me, the quintessence of what a parent should be. He was probably going crazy with worry himself, spending long hours out in the fields, and long hours at my mom's side in the hospital, and long hours showing us kids how to be decent, independent humans. He was probably as terrified as we were. But he stepped up to it, told us everything would be okay, and then did what he had to, to make sure we were fed, educated, dressed, and decent. He didn't pitch a fit or whine or even raise his voice. He just calmly stepped up and took care of everything he could.
My dad is a tough, grizzled, all-American, pickup-driving, cowboy-booted, meat-and-potatoes, wisecracking rancher. If he could calmly and gracefully face the challenge of "you are left with all the responsibility your father had - the business end of the household - plus you have all this other stuff", then you, Michael Lewis, have no excuse.
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Thank you. You kick ass, both of you, with your cheerful vacuuming, dishwashing, mopping and so forth.
I also happen to know for sure that none of this womanly activity has caused Mr.Pietra's balls to shrink, and I'm not gonna ask about my dad's.
Love,
la.donna.pietra
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(I wrote a paper on human male oxytocin response in my college physiology class. Here are some references:
[www.oxytocin.org]
[www.vivo.colostate.edu]
[www.researchgate.net] )
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My husband avoids housework like the plague, doesn't see anything wrong with spending an entire day playing computer games and can barely boil water - but he's still a good father. I think if it was possible he'd be a househusband in a second. Unfortunately, then we'd live in a pile of dirty dishes and unwashed laundry, choking on huge dog hair furballs before we slowly starved to death because he can't even FIND a grocery store. Ugh, this guy's stupid book just hits too close to home right now.
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I think I'm going to nominate my mom for sainthood now.
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As a child-free person, its just so fun to skip reading about all this shit!
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She must be a saint.
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Ok, so I refer to my father as "emotionally constipated" because, well, he is. He was terrible at raising a daughter, and not so good at sons either. That said, I know it was HIS problem. Not a problem indicative of the male population. It was just HIM. So sorry Lewis, but this is YOUR problem. My maternal uncles are not like this, and I can already tell my older brother will be a wonderful, caring, hands-on father. So stop trying to pass off your issues onto all dads out there.
/rant.
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If you don't want to raise a child, take care of a child, deal with a baby, have your sleep interrupted, etc. DO NOT HAVE A KID.
That goes for men and women. Don't want it, don't have it. But don't complain about something you did to yourself. If you wanted to be a parent, then PARENT.
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yeah, i'm not clear from any of the links whether or not this guy just kinda went along with his wife when she wanted to have a kid, rather than really wanting a kid himself.
i mean, this is the reason i never wanted kids. none of that infant caretaking appeals to me. but i know it. apparently i too am hardwired to avoid these types of things, even though i'm female.