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lalaland13
12/23/08

In reply to Gay Hate
Anyone else read the novel The Women of Brewster Place? I may not have the title right, but a scenario like this occurs in the book. It nearly made me sick to my stomach reading it. And yet, this is a thousand times worse because it actually happened. Fuck.
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AnnoyingFemaleLeadVoiceover
12/23/08

@lalaland13: Haven't read the book, but I have seen the mini-series tooooo many times.

(My mother made it her mission to indoctrinate me with notions of strong womanhood by watching The Women of Brewster Place, Roots, Queen, The Color Purple, and Hellraiser.)
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Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.
12/23/08

In reply to Gay Hate
I'm a lesbian, and this makes me sick to my stomach. My heart goes out to this woman and her family. Also, to echo the sentiment of others here, it is a shame that when it comes to gay rights the focus is placed on marriage equality. Having my rights recognized that way by the government is nice, but what does it matter when I live in a society in which these absurd hate crimes occur? As I recently noted in a final paper for one of my classes, from Stonewall to the perennial surge of hate crime during pride season, GLBT people have an intimate relationship with violence, but that gets pushed aside all too often.
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communistspy is spying
12/23/08

In reply to Gay Hate
I've noticed lately has my californian self has been east coasting a lot lately -- mainly dealing with the hip hop crowd, that there is SO MUCH hateraid going around w/ gay people in New York. It's even made it into the street lingo, look up PAUSE or NO HOMO on you tube.

I've never heard of this before my boyfriend and I started frequenting the other coast. Have any of you east coasters heard this on the street? It's crazy I hear it all the time now. WTF??

Don't they realize that black people and the gay community have a lot in common. Seems like we'd all do better banding together rather than picking at each other or worse. It sickens me.
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parafilm
12/23/08

@communistspy is spying:

I've heard both around Boston a little bit. It doesn't make sense to me. I grew up in a nice little gay neighborhood in a Denver. I was surprised by how often people use "retarded" and "gay", and the phrase "no homo" isn't all that uncommon.

And I hear this even when surrounded by fairly liberal and cool people... then they insist they don't mean anything by it. WTF, you guys, you can't be serious!
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veronykah
12/23/08

@parafilm: One of the "favorite phrases" or whatever in my HS yearbook was "whoa, not gay!"

Seriously.

And everyone wonders why I left junior year to go to college early and moved as soon as I was old enough to leave.
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katekate is squared
12/23/08

In reply to Gay Hate
Also: Merry fucking Christmas. I'm sure Jesus is SO PROUD.
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katekate is squared
12/23/08

In reply to Gay Hate
So is it a hate crime if I smack a homophobe upside the head? 'Cause I hate those people.
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StevieWonderWoman
12/23/08

In reply to Gay Hate
I don't get why people get so angry about other people's sexual preferences. It's none of their fucking business, so why does it offend them so? How it be wrong to be a homosexual, but okay to be intolerant, hateful and violent?
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WaltzingMatilda
12/23/08

@StevieWonderWoman: Well, like Lewis Black and Louis C.K. once alluded to [paraphrasing], it sucks when gay guys break into my home when I am trying to have a straight people's dinner, minding my own business, and they touch dicks right in front of my face. The nerve. It totally happens all the time. Thus all the ruckus.
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happysquid
12/23/08

In reply to Gay Hate
How did our culture go from being gay being accepted/a source of pride and diversity to having this kind of encouraged hate and discrimination??

It is so frustrating. GARGH!
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veronykah
12/23/08

@happysquid: When has gay been accepted/a source of pride in our culture?

The passing of Prop 8 in CALIFORNIA of all places would seem to show the opposite. And I know from having lived in small town USA, it definitely isn't there. Its hard to realize that after living in NYC and now right next to West Hollywood, but if shit like this can happen in SF of all places I don't think I would agree with your statement.
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fahrenheit_420
12/23/08

In reply to Gay Hate
Your face deserves to die, stupid jackass who spray painted that stuff on the wall thing.

"Your face *insert whatever here*" is my answer to everything, sorry.
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stealthird
12/23/08

@fahrenheit_420: Hey, that's mine too! We must have some sort of karmic connection. Freaky.
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Kilotwat
12/23/08

In reply to Gay Hate
For the first time since the inauguration controversy, Rick Warren has produced a video for his church members:

In the video, he says he and his church have been subjected to "hate speech" from "evil" people who are "Christ-o-phobes", while saying his positions on gays haven't changed one iota. This is what Warren is taking from all this. Way to reach across the aisle, Barack! You're really getting through to Warren.
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Kivrin
12/23/08

@Kilotwat: My head just exploded.
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sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit)
12/23/08

@Kilotwat: So, you'll help pick up the pieces of my cubicle after I smash it into oblivion after watching this?
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bluebears
12/23/08

@Kilotwat: hey, christ-o-phobe here. reporting for duty.
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Kilotwat
12/23/08

It should be noted that at no point did Warren actually even thank Obama for giving him the honor of the invocation. He feels entitled. Nor does he mention any of the gay rights advocates who've reached out to him. It's all about how awful and wrong it is for anyone to ever criticize him and his flock. The hubris is staggering. And Obama's encouraging it.
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PilgrimSoul
12/23/08

@Kilotwat: I guess I can give him props for forming an entertaining new word, but I somehow doubt the rest of us are looking to deny Christ his civil rights or whatever.
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sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit)
12/23/08

@PilgrimSoul: Speak for yourself. I am avidly waiting for the Second Coming just so I can persecute the shit out of Him. Survey says: I'm a Jew.
/stabby sarcasm
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Kivrin
12/23/08

@Kilotwat: God, what an arrogant prick he is. He and all his followers really do feel entitled. Because they picked the "right" god to worship, right? Fuck that shit.

I really may not watch the inauguration.
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AnnoyingFemaleLeadVoiceover
12/23/08

In reply to Gay Hate
And to take things on a slight tangent because people are bringing up the question of speech (thought) and action, the speech/action reminds me of yesterday's post on Stylista and some comments defending someone using gay slurs. Most of the defenses centered around the "anger/quick response" which to me just read like the "gay panic" defenses used in criminal trials to explain why someone would gay bash.

Of course I can recognize nuance and context, and the difference in consequences between an instance of using words of anger or physical violence, but I don't think that what triggers such action in the first place, fear and intolerance, is that different.

/rambling
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Understater
12/23/08

In reply to Gay Hate
Can't believe an anti-gay crime would occur in Brooklyn. BROOKLYN.
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sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit)
12/23/08

@Understater: I'm not trying to be flip, but why not? People don't check their prejudices at city limits. I've lived my whole life in New York City and I have seen some fucked-up homophobic/racist/anti-Semitic shit in this city.
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Understater
12/23/08

@sarah.of.a.lesser.god (and the ovumlord of the rings):

You're right, it's just that when I think of Brooklyn, I think of the most liberal place on earth. Of course there a few bad apples everywhere, but to actually see something like this happen in 2008 still leaves me shocked. It's easy to get wrapped up in the illusion that people in NYC are safe from such perils.
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sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit)
12/23/08

@Understater: Your reaction is entirely understandable, btw. I wish that were the case. It was fun to be called a "fucking dyke" by random guys on Lexington Avenue one afternoon. I had a shaved head and that was all it took.
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sylie
12/23/08

@Understater: In relation to much of America, yes, Brooklyn does as a whole seem entirely more tolerant on a great deal of issues. But while parts of Brooklyn are "liberal," there are MANY parts that are not (especially on this issue), even if they vote Democrat. My ex-girlfriend and I were once followed by a large group of girls all the way to the subway in Cobble Hill; they kept screaming at us, asking as what our problem was, talking about how we're disgusting, etc. Thing is, even though we were together at the time, to most people, it would have just looked like I was dragging a drunk friend home.

Then again, I've also been aggressively called a dyke by men in bars when I tell them I'm not interested in men, so hey.
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taranwanderer
12/23/08

@sylie: Yes. It certainly depends on the neighborhood.

And I'm sorry that happened to you. What a shitty (and scary!) situation.
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veronykah
12/23/08

@sylie: Totally depends on the neighborhood, Bushwick? Bed Stuy? East NY? Brownsville? Canarsie? Bensonhurst? Bay ridge?

I could go on...I would wager to say MOST of BK isn't that liberal about gays...
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LasciviousJones
12/23/08

In reply to Gay Hate
These crimes are truly brutal. Not one of the attackers would be able to act alone. But something about like-minded people being in groups spurs group behaviour.

I personally do not understand why supposedly straight people are so intimidated and threatened by gay/lesbian.
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veronykah
12/23/08

@LasciviousJones: I've always thought its just as you put it they are "supposedly straight". Men I've met that have such a hate and disgust for gays, I've always thought, deep down inside, were gay themselves or had gay feelings. Otherwise why such a big to-do about it? The straightest guys I know could give a shit, they'll get drunk with gay guys and not think twice about it and why would they?

I'm straight and have always had the attitude that if a girl hits on me, all the better! It means I'm hot to EVERYONE. How could you not take that as a huge compliment?

Baffles me.
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merv
12/23/08

In reply to Gay Hate
It saddens me that so many predominate gay rights organizations (HRC, for example) still focus the majority of the resources towards gay marriage awareness campaigns in California. Clearly, awareness campaigns that focus on hate crimes such as this, GLBTQ homelessness and AIDS have clearly suffered.
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sylie
12/23/08

@mervbaby: Didn't you know? Violence against LGBT individuals clearly disappeared after straight people cried while watching the Laramie Project and enjoyed dancing along with Ellen. Obviously, as individuals we've been accepted, just not as couples, so HRC just has to focus so many of their resources on gay marriage. Obvs.

No, really, though, I agree with you. While gay marriage as an issue wasn't perpetuated by LGBT organizations (we have Newt Gingrich to thank for that), such an extremely tunnel-minded focus seems wholly unnecessary.
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merv
12/23/08

@sylie: agreed. I wish the attitude toward Prop 8 would be more concerned with acquiring the rights that come with marriage (tax breaks, etc)to all persons without marriage. Like instead of thinking about the disadvantage of not being able to get married thinking about the disadvantage of being unmarried. But whatevs.
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Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.
12/23/08

@mervbaby: Actually, the HRC is actually kind of disappointing for being America's biggest gay rights organization and all. When a new workplace discrimination bill that had been on the table in Congress was altered to that it would only protect sexual orientation, as opposed to orientation AND gender identity, the HRC said nothing, unlike HUNDREDS of smaller GLBT groups around the nation.
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BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit)
12/23/08

In reply to Gay Hate
On top of the recession making crazies crazier, they are angry because their 8 years of moronic leadership is over. King Assbucket Stupidhead is retiring to Texas and a thinking human person is in charge now.
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WaltzingMatilda
12/23/08

@BrutallyHonestBabes: Oh come on now - you know that "thinking" is in the Debil's realm.
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sybann
12/23/08

@BrutallyHonestBabes: The end of an error.
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haguenite
12/23/08

In reply to Gay Hate
Yup. That'll turn her straight for sure.
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Mkp-hearts-NYC
12/23/08

@haguenite: *gallows laugh*. I'm trying to think of the last time I heard of a lesbian gang falling upon some hapless straight guy to show him the error of his ways....
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sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit)
12/23/08

@haguenite: You will love cock. If you do not, we will punish you with cock. For the fuck of shit, what is that "logic"?
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bluebears
12/23/08

@Mkp-hearts-NYC: uh..I think there are several porn movies out there with that exact plot.
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Mkp-hearts-NYC
12/23/08

@bluebears: I mean in real life.
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