is there ever going to be a point where girls are considered sexual beings with agency rather than someone you have to trick / buy / get drunk so that a dude can get laid?
@sharkie792: Well, how forthright would you say you personally are about being a "sexual being with agency"? Feel free to use any scale that makes sense to you.
And okay, before I lose my point entirely, let me suggest that for a lot of guys, much of what we see from women consists of women's efforts to avoid looking like they're "sexual beings with agency."
Now, any guy who's gotten to know a few women learns to look beneath surface appearances like that. But as a baseline assumption, can you see why many guys presume that women wouldn't go to such lengths to obscure their "agency" if in fact they truly felt it as strongly as, say, we do?
Because we guys sometimes think we know what "agency" feels like. Of course, we habitually overestimate the extent of our knowledge, but to us "agency" -- well, now let me use a different word, "desire" -- is usually not something one gains by concealing or denying. So some of us are puzzled when women do seem to conceal or deny it.
That's all. It's not much, but it's enough of an assumption to make exaggerations like this flowchart kind of funny.
@skahammer: How about this scale:
Do you want to have sex? Y/N.
If no, okay.
If yes, how?
CONTINUE FROM THERE.
If you can't have an honest, straightforward conversation about sex with a person, do you really want to have sex with them? I'd feel weird about it. I mean, I can understand that sometimes, shit is embarrassing, but if you can't ask/give consent, that's all kinds of messed up.
If something's weird, CALL IT OUT.
Is anyone bothered by the fact that on the first date there is no way to get to "you are not having sex tonight" unless the date can't stand. Women on the second date, however, are much more likely to end up not sleeping with him. So, they are likely to have sex with him on the first date, but not the second....hmm, is this secretly the chart for men who are bad in bed?
Is this an Internet first date ----> no, you will probably not be having sex. No matter how many jokes you make out of nerves.
The big question for me would also be: Gonna put on a condom? ------> Yes, you will be having sex tonight. If no, then no.
Not to defend this chart, which was probably made by some of those True Forced Loneliness creeps, but maybe it's a small advance that the chart tells the man he won't be having sex if the girl is too drunk to walk.
Small steps.
Before you consult this flow chart, you best consult my personal flow chart. "Is she menstruating?" -----> If you try to have sex with her, she will punch you in the groin.
This totally ignores the fact that a woman might well not want you to buy her drinks. Maybe I'm just boring, but when I'm on a date, I won't have very many drinks. You'll be stuck in that loop buying me drinks that will remain untouched. Though I suppose a modicum of credit should be given for requiring the woman to be sober enough to give informed consent.
Mine would probably go like this:
Have I shaved my legs that day?--> Do I have the day off tomorrow?---> Is it last call at a 4am bar?--> Am I speaking with you?----------->
The spirits say you will probably get laid.
@Notes from the underwhelmed: Ha! If I'm staying anywhere longer than two hours I think, 'Did I let the dogs out?' I swear my entire life revolves around the urination schedule of my pets.
Did you show this chart to your girlfriend?
Did she giggle?/scowl?/push her tina fey glasses up the bridge of her nose, roll her eyes, and say she already saw that piece of juvenile oppression on jezebel and maybe you two should talk?
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And okay, before I lose my point entirely, let me suggest that for a lot of guys, much of what we see from women consists of women's efforts to avoid looking like they're "sexual beings with agency."
Now, any guy who's gotten to know a few women learns to look beneath surface appearances like that. But as a baseline assumption, can you see why many guys presume that women wouldn't go to such lengths to obscure their "agency" if in fact they truly felt it as strongly as, say, we do?
Because we guys sometimes think we know what "agency" feels like. Of course, we habitually overestimate the extent of our knowledge, but to us "agency" -- well, now let me use a different word, "desire" -- is usually not something one gains by concealing or denying. So some of us are puzzled when women do seem to conceal or deny it.
That's all. It's not much, but it's enough of an assumption to make exaggerations like this flowchart kind of funny.
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Do you want to have sex? Y/N.
If no, okay.
If yes, how?
CONTINUE FROM THERE.
If you can't have an honest, straightforward conversation about sex with a person, do you really want to have sex with them? I'd feel weird about it. I mean, I can understand that sometimes, shit is embarrassing, but if you can't ask/give consent, that's all kinds of messed up.
If something's weird, CALL IT OUT.
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The big question for me would also be: Gonna put on a condom? ------> Yes, you will be having sex tonight. If no, then no.
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Small steps.
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There, I fixed it.
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Have I shaved my legs that day?--> Do I have the day off tomorrow?---> Is it last call at a 4am bar?--> Am I speaking with you?----------->
The spirits say you will probably get laid.
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Incredibly rich gets you automatically laid on a first date? Buy her drinks until she is drunk.
This is just charming.
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Did she giggle?/scowl?/push her tina fey glasses up the bridge of her nose, roll her eyes, and say she already saw that piece of juvenile oppression on jezebel and maybe you two should talk?