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Betsy
01/03/09

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I don't know, Tatiana. Yes, the profiles with actresses are far too self-important and silly, but was the supermodel era any better? Are glamazons any more relatable? They became celebrities in their own right, as you remember, for posing for pictures.

I liked seeing Scarlett Johansson posing for American Vogue, for instance, since she actually had a body comparable to mine - I could suddenly see that I could look great in designer clothing, too. It's arguable that actresses shouldn't be instantly granted interviews and 5-page profiles, but yeah Tatiana, unfortunately us "5-foot-nothings" need ideas on how to dress too.

Maybe less heiresses and profiles on people we can economically relate to, as well, would be helpful. Not sure about it being a supermodel-exclusive venue, though.
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dreamypisces
01/03/09

@Beebs: I think whats needed is an even split. Sure some celeb profiles are fine but I CRAVE models like Crawford, Turlington, Campbell and the others. Even Moss - when there was only one like her but now that they all have no meat on them it's just become so....BORING!

To much of any one thing is never a good thing to be had....
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Betsy
01/03/09

@dreamypisces: Agreed. That Vogue Paris editorial with Crawford was stunning, especially because it was a woman we were looking at, not a 16-year-old. What I'm asking for is precisely what you said, by way of celeb profiles.. more diverse women, not just homogenous mannequins selected as if they were being pumped out of a factory.

I've seen Tatiana expressing views that were quite anti-diversity, unfortunately. I don't get how they fit in Jezebel, but whatever.
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TatianaTheAnonymousModel
01/04/09

@Beebs: Anti-diversity? Excuse me? One of my biggest problems with American Vogue under Anna Wintour is the magazine's ambivalence about diversity and I never miss an opportunity to say so.
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Betsy
01/04/09

@TatianaTheAnonymousModel: Not racial diversity in models, diversity in terms of who can model for photoshoots in magazines. I remember you talking about "5-foot-nothings" who apparently were not good enough for their clothes as 6-foot-tall skinny glamazons. I think it's fine that you're proud of your figure and so on, but that comment was pretty offensive in my book.
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TatianaTheAnonymousModel
01/05/09

@Beebs: Uh, sorry for pointing out that actresses are often short?
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Stabby McStabberson
01/03/09

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(sorry to piss on another post of yours, tatiana - i love 99.99% of your work, i've been stabby mccrankypants lately because of the holidays)

helmut newton's leda and the swan as 70's porn is ridiculous. the 70s porn aesthetic is overdone, stale, and trite, and was so even in the early 90s (see: klein, calvin) though it has some interesting formal elements.

this is edgy:

Artist Unknown; Jai Vilas Palace Museum in Gwalior, Northern Madhya Pradesh, India

or this...

copy after leonardo

or how about this by francois boucher in 18th century france...

suck it, helmut.
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sisepuede is the femmiest femme of them all
01/02/09

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Tatiana, thanx for putting up the Helmut Newton swan copulation picture. After I read the article last night I was up half the night looking for it online, gave up, and finally just crossed my fingers that Jezebel would post it today.

Also, I look fwd to your posts with embarrasing enthusiasm. I think you are the coolest.
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hfree
01/02/09

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I have always loved that photgraph.

I think people want Vogue to be better because it is this grand dame, we can't think of the world without it, it's the New York Time of fashion magazines. It should be the best, which is why it is so sad that it's not.

I haven't opened the magazine in months, even though I subscribe. I was ready to let it run out, until I noticed I'm paid up through January of next year. Maybe I can reallocate the funds to the New Yorker?
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special_boots
01/02/09

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Gonna have to disagree with you on the Leda/swan setup. It's gross, but not even compelling gross, just sort of stiff and awkward gross. And I'm embarrassed for the model. Yuck.
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DangerMouse
01/02/09

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They definitely need a wider variety of shoots to foster creativity in our responses to LOLVogue.
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pandorasmittens
01/02/09

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Apparently Helmut Newton is the only person Zeus will allow to photograph him.
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VaginaWig is A Merkin
01/02/09

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"For the December issue, it sent a writer off to discover the 'charms' of Wal-Mart and Target."

This reminded me of The Simple Life episode where Paris Hilton has to go to Wal-Mart and she asks, "What is Wal-Mart? Is that where they sell walls?" Ah, to be so out of touch with middle America must be fabulous.
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pandorasmittens
01/02/09

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Vogue is just as narcissistic as the socialites profiled within its pages: it has elevated itself so high that it actually believes that their fantasy will dictate reality. Trends have evolved as the magazine remains stagnant, and Vogue is reduced to a wailing Norma Desmond, forever waiting for its closeup.
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PixiePerson
01/02/09

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Leda and the Swan has always freaked me out. Seeing a picture of it.. kind of worse.
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Witchtit: Your low productivity advisor
01/02/09

@PixiePerson: Yes,I cant help thinking that swans would not make gentle, considerate lovers. They would not make you breakfast in the morning either. Feathery uptight jerks.
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dcdulce
01/02/09

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you had me at "pureed into a gossipy brownie"
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TheUptightMidwesterner
01/02/09

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I am older than most on this board and I have to say that I buy Vogue about 3 times a year and my lasp issue was the final straw- Never again.

It is literally reading the same issue over and over again and I feel that is is written soley for a select group of designers, staffers and Wintour circlers.

The models even look more bored than usual.
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Penny
01/02/09

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Wait, also, I am not sure if Jezebel covered this, but what is up with the highlighted quote about Michelle Obama? I can't find my issue right now, but it was something along the lines of "we can't wait to see how she decorates!"
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morninggloria
01/02/09

@Penny Plastic (Archetype): That's the first thing I think when I come across an Ivy League-educated female lawyer.
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bloodflower
01/02/09

@Penny Plastic (Archetype): yeah because that's totally on top of her list.
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sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit)
01/02/09

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They need to replace Plum Sykes with Kumquat Dykes.
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Eeva
01/02/09

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I'll readily deny that the Newton photograph is beautiful. Unsettling and somewhat compelling, yes, but just because it features a gorgeous blonde and a swan doesn't mean it's beautiful.

Now, if he had only added a unicorn and a rainbow...
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Mama Penguino
01/02/09

@Eeva: Isn't this just a modern representation of Leda and the Swan?
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jenalicious
01/02/09

@Eeva: yeah, i have to agree there. im not that blown away. the model looks unconscious, not sexy.
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bloodflower
01/02/09

@Mama Penguino: that's what i thought. that story gives me creeps but oddly enough i like that photograph.
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