If Jezebel is any indication of the current feminist stance, there is a reason many consider "feminism" a bad word. Please go back to Virginia Woolf and try again.
This isn't sexism in the slightest. And I should remind everyone that Jezebel has a specific interest for exploiting this non-controversy for traffic. #sarahpalin
Unlike alot of people I don't hate Sarah Palin. But she has kinda brought this hypersexualization of herself on herself. I mean, can you think of any other female politicians who have posed in tiny shorts on a mag cover and are still taken seriously? Don't worry. I'll wait.
Newsweek couldn't have used this picture if it didn't exist. They couldn't have used it if it were a candid from her private collection. But alas, she DID pose for this picture. She HAS played on her looks. And now she's mad that people comment on her looks. Kinda how she trotted her family out to display her family values, but then bristled when anyone questioned her family values.
You can't have it both ways Ms. Palin. Either you conduct yourself in the ways that preclude a woman being taken seriously in the world's oldest Boys Club, or deal with the fallout. But is anyone really shocked that a woman that winked at the camera in a national debate and posed for this picture (albeit with legs to die for) isn't being taken seriously? It's not sexist on Newsweek's part. It was stupid on Sarah Palin's part.
@lalafrmatl: She didn't pose that way for a cover, she posed that way for a feature in which everyone (including several other politicians) wears small and/or tight clothing.
That photo is inappropriate for the cover of Newsweek.
I think too often the Palin hate allows people to overlook the gender issues. Whether or not you like her, how we allow Palin to be treated will ricochet back on to other female politicians. #sarahpalin
@pesematology: @SonicNapoleonic: @clevernamehere: Oh yeah, I forgot where all those male candidates posed in their running gear for a magazine cover. Silly me, those sexist Newsweek people.
Palin is a joke, not because she is a woman, because she is a joke. Hillary isn't portrayed as such, because she is actually respectable. #sarahpalin
I am really quite torn on this issue. It's the details of the Running Weekly photo that bother me, the flag, the nails, the hair, the blackberries. It doesn't look like she wants to promote being healthy, it looks like she wants to promote being a EX-VP candidate. I feel like if she is going to use an article about fitness to visually promote her book (and that's what I feel this is) than she can't complain when someone uses that same image to promote their cause.
BUT, I don't like the underlying message of what I am saying, which seems to be, "She shouldn't have dressed like that if she didn't want trouble" So, like I said. I'm torn. #sarahpalin
@Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: Well the thing is, she shouldn't have portrayed herself in a way that so obviously desires to capitalize on her looks if she didn't want to get called out on trying to capitalize on her looks, which appears to be what the Newsweek article is about, at least in part. It's not that she shouldn't wear running clothes - I don't think that's the issue. But taking a "running" picture that is so entirely not about running and then getting angry when people notice what you were intentionally attempting to do is just annoying. And par for the course with Sarah Palin, thus the article about her being a GOP liability. In my mind, that makes the use of the picture not only reasonable, but logical, and I think there's a distinction between what this particular editorial choice is commenting on and just criticizing women for daring to be attractive. Or maybe that's my Palin hate talking. #sarahpalin
@pssshwhatever: I've only seen Runner's World a few times, but isn't this pretty typical for that kind of photo? I wouldn't expect them to use photos of someone in a suit or obviously sweaty from running. Cute and in work out clothes seems par for the course. I wouldn't expect Joe Schmo runner to have his Runner's World photo put on his corporate website because he put himself out there looking all cute. #sarahpalin
@clevernamehere: My dad had a subscription for my entire childhood, so I haven't seen it in a couple of years, but this strikes me as more cheesecake-y than their usual photos. I remember a lot of people in cute running gear, but not a lot of super obvious makeup, teased hair or silly props. And there were a lot of people that actually were, ya know, running. Or looked like they could go run at a moment's notice.
And the thing about Joe Schmo is that Sarah Palin isn't Joe Schmo - she's someone that's actively trying to create a public image for herself and capitalize on that, and I think that any photo shoots that she agrees to participate in are up for comment - she did this to actively promote herself and her image, after all. To me, this photo is a representation of a lot of the reasons that Sarah Palin is a problematic political candidate (she's much more comfortable doing pageant poses for magazines than she is talking about serious policy issues, and those are the publicity opportunities which she pursues), and that seems completely appropriate for the Newsweek article. #sarahpalin
I just pulled the magazine out of my mailbox, and I'm not really offended. Sarah Palin willingly posed for this photo, and to me, the joke isn't the legs or the shorts. It's the staging and what she is trying to cram into one photo that is ridiculous:
Flag (which is as shiny as her gams)
Two Blackberries
French Manicure
Army Banner
Moccasins
Alaskan view of lake, forest and mountains
One electrical outlet baby proofed
One electrical outlet non-baby proofed
Sure, this was for a running magazine, but John Edwards posed for the same type of photo, and you could smell the funk in his old t-shirt. This photo was never about running to Palin. It's disingenuous for her to claim so now. #sarahpalin
@tinybubbles: @Susan B.: @Ruby_de_la_Booby: As other people have pointed out, it is very unlikely that she staged the photo, that is the art director's job. I’m sure her people approved it, but I doubt she came up with the idea.
David Patterson seems to have been shot in his actual office, with both the US and NY flag as props [www.runnersworld.com]
Meacham's argument that the cover is gender neutral because they choose the "most interesting image" for the cover is so much bullshit, and also kind of creepy. I am now imagining Meacham leaning over a table, staring at mock-ups of possible covers, and choosing the "most interesting" (he must be a leg-guy!).
Personally, I think that an interesting photo of Obama would be of him shirtless, emerging from a vat of maple syrup (tmi?), but that never makes it on the cover. Why? Because men are seen on the cover in their suits, as they should be, since a NEWS magazine shouldn't be sexually objectifying politicians (oh wait, except for the babe politicians). #sarahpalin
@Lou: Balls! my theory is foiled. Although I don't think that it was on the cover of mainstream ones (USNews, Newsweek, Time, etc) AND, people were upset about the cover being disrespectful to the president. I don't know, I think i might just be bothered by Meacham in general, I find him creepy when I see him as a talking head. And he thinks he's so damn smart. #sarahpalin
@Lou: fair point (although the cover story they used the image for was pretty light, and not a serious news piece, which i think is still worth noting). #sarahpalin
If they had used a paparazzi picture of her jogging in shorts and showing some leg, then, yes, that would be awful. The fact that they were using a professional photograph she posed for, I'm not sure how she could be angry.
Likewise, (and I have mentioned this in the previous Palin post), Michelle Obama posed for Prevention Magazine in a dress and were it to be used for another magazine, she could just be glad she was wise about how to pose in the first place. But...the pictures that were posted everywhere of her in shorts at the Grand Canyon...obviously, she was not intending to have those on a magazine cover, so, yes, if those pics made it on the cover of Newsweek, that would be awful.
Also, if Palin really cared not to draw attention to this, she could have said something about Newsweek not drawing attention to the issues she is dealing with right now, instead of just crying "sexist" to somehow draw attention to the word sex along with herself. But, being that she doesn't really discuss any issues, it makes it difficult. Or, if she really wanted to address the very real issue of sexism, she could have put some weight behind the issue and explained its problems and ways in which we as a culture could overcome that instead of just crying wolf (which is what her crying sexism has become, regardless of whether it is real or not). I don't really see her doing that though.
Newsweek still sucks though, for numerous other reasons. #sarahpalin
Also, the Tonya Harding analogy doesn't really hold: Tonya didn't do the kneecapping herself, the kneecapping wasn't against someone who'd been helping her, and the kneecapping successfully resulted in an injury (whereas it's highly debatable that Palin has successfully hurt any of the people she's insulting). But way to sound byte.
However, I hope Palin ends up like Tonya Harding--after attacking her opponent, she still didn't even place in the Olympics. If I remember correctly, she wasn't even in the top ten. #sarahpalin
I think it's interesting that of all the many many ways you can take Sarah Palin down, so many men choose to do so using explicitly gendered terms.
She's uninformed, pompous, egotistical, lazy (hello quitter), fame seeking, etc. Everytime she opens her mouth, twitters, or posts a facebook update, she provides more ammunition for her haters.
But the fixation is so often: Beauty Queen! The hair! The heels! The lipstick! The clothes!
Talk about lazy quitters. They aren't even trying. #sarahpalin
@emfish55: The issue is more insidious than that though, because the commentators are trying to indirectly imply those other things simply by mocking the ones you mentioned. They are not simply ignoring them, they are using one as a representation of the other. #sarahpalin
@juriko: This is an excellent point, and more insightful than my comment. It's true. By using Sarah Palin's femininity as a proxy for her lack of intelligence, political savvy, and self-awareness, the criticism is implicating womanhood as her biggest problem. Which puts women in the uncomfortable (for me, anyway) position of defending Palin against criticism, when in fact Palin very much deserves criticism. Just not for being a woman. Sigh. #sarahpalin
Dude, they didn't photoshop her. This is a legitimate picture she posed for less than a year ago...and they likely put it on the cover since it's a pretty good illustration of how ridiculous she is! If GWB had similarly posed in same cheesy stupid way, trust they would have run that as well. He's a man, FYI. The picture is almost TOO easy. Why is it sexist? Because she's wearing shorts? #sarahpalin
@JinxyMcDeath: I think the sexism has to do with the photo-text combo. It's calling her a problem, and showing that photo, which suggests that the photo is representative of why she is a problem--and she's in a highly feminine pose. Also, it's an example of what's called "facism"--photos of men tend to be of their faces, whereas photos of women tend to include their whole bodies. Which I suppose should be called "bodyism," but that doesn't rhyme with "racism" and rhymes are hard to resist. #sarahpalin
@JinxyMcDeath: @femme-bot: You don't think it matters that she took this picture for Runner's World magazine, not Newsweek? Posing in a running outfit in the Governor's office (yay, the governor is a runner too! Just like us) makes perfect sense in that context, but looks ridiculous on the cover of Newsweek. As they intended. #sarahpalin
@yvanehtnioj: She looks ridiculous for a runners magazine as well. As a (errr....former) runner, I can guarantee you I've never seen anyone done up like that running. If I did? I'd laugh. #sarahpalin
@femme-bot: Well, sure, for an actual run she looks foolish. But for a runner's magazine? Do they not use makeup and whatnot? High-femme is kind of her thing, so it didn't even register for me that she was so cuted up to go for a run. I just figured even running magazines were sexified.
*Not a runner unless chased or late for the bus. #sarahpalin
@yvanehtnioj: Yes, the covers are somewhat "sexified" but still really "realistic" to running.
If her picture looked like this, we wouldn't be having this conversation. #sarahpalin
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This isn't sexism in the slightest. And I should remind everyone that Jezebel has a specific interest for exploiting this non-controversy for traffic. #sarahpalin
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You can have usefully added to the discussion by posting your own thoughts about the issue, instead you chose to make a bitchy non sequitur comment.
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Newsweek couldn't have used this picture if it didn't exist. They couldn't have used it if it were a candid from her private collection. But alas, she DID pose for this picture. She HAS played on her looks. And now she's mad that people comment on her looks. Kinda how she trotted her family out to display her family values, but then bristled when anyone questioned her family values.
You can't have it both ways Ms. Palin. Either you conduct yourself in the ways that preclude a woman being taken seriously in the world's oldest Boys Club, or deal with the fallout. But is anyone really shocked that a woman that winked at the camera in a national debate and posed for this picture (albeit with legs to die for) isn't being taken seriously? It's not sexist on Newsweek's part. It was stupid on Sarah Palin's part.
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Eliot Spitzer and David Patterson are both in that gallery, yet I can't image Newsweek running either photo.
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I think too often the Palin hate allows people to overlook the gender issues. Whether or not you like her, how we allow Palin to be treated will ricochet back on to other female politicians. #sarahpalin
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I second your statement. There is an obvious double standard for female politicians. #sarahpalin
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Palin is a joke, not because she is a woman, because she is a joke. Hillary isn't portrayed as such, because she is actually respectable. #sarahpalin
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BUT, I don't like the underlying message of what I am saying, which seems to be, "She shouldn't have dressed like that if she didn't want trouble" So, like I said. I'm torn. #sarahpalin
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And the thing about Joe Schmo is that Sarah Palin isn't Joe Schmo - she's someone that's actively trying to create a public image for herself and capitalize on that, and I think that any photo shoots that she agrees to participate in are up for comment - she did this to actively promote herself and her image, after all. To me, this photo is a representation of a lot of the reasons that Sarah Palin is a problematic political candidate (she's much more comfortable doing pageant poses for magazines than she is talking about serious policy issues, and those are the publicity opportunities which she pursues), and that seems completely appropriate for the Newsweek article. #sarahpalin
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Publicity. She cared more about creating an image for herself than having integrity. #sarahpalin
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Fuck you, Newsweek, for making me side with Sarah Palin. Assholes. #sarahpalin
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With a headline like that, I'm just happy they didn't photoshop Palin's head onto this: #sarahpalin
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I just pulled the magazine out of my mailbox, and I'm not really offended. Sarah Palin willingly posed for this photo, and to me, the joke isn't the legs or the shorts. It's the staging and what she is trying to cram into one photo that is ridiculous:
Flag (which is as shiny as her gams)
Two Blackberries
French Manicure
Army Banner
Moccasins
Alaskan view of lake, forest and mountains
One electrical outlet baby proofed
One electrical outlet non-baby proofed
Sure, this was for a running magazine, but John Edwards posed for the same type of photo, and you could smell the funk in his old t-shirt. This photo was never about running to Palin. It's disingenuous for her to claim so now. #sarahpalin
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David Patterson seems to have been shot in his actual office, with both the US and NY flag as props [www.runnersworld.com]
There are several other cheesecake type photos from women who aren't sexy professionally (as far as I know) [www.runnersworld.com] [www.runnersworld.com]
I'd be surprised if this lady said, "I know, I'll pose in a hoop skirt, nothing says serious runner like a hoop skirt" [www.runnersworld.com]
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Personally, I think that an interesting photo of Obama would be of him shirtless, emerging from a vat of maple syrup (tmi?), but that never makes it on the cover. Why? Because men are seen on the cover in their suits, as they should be, since a NEWS magazine shouldn't be sexually objectifying politicians (oh wait, except for the babe politicians). #sarahpalin
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Complete with the line "our new neighbor is hot." #sarahpalin
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Likewise, (and I have mentioned this in the previous Palin post), Michelle Obama posed for Prevention Magazine in a dress and were it to be used for another magazine, she could just be glad she was wise about how to pose in the first place. But...the pictures that were posted everywhere of her in shorts at the Grand Canyon...obviously, she was not intending to have those on a magazine cover, so, yes, if those pics made it on the cover of Newsweek, that would be awful.
Also, if Palin really cared not to draw attention to this, she could have said something about Newsweek not drawing attention to the issues she is dealing with right now, instead of just crying "sexist" to somehow draw attention to the word sex along with herself. But, being that she doesn't really discuss any issues, it makes it difficult. Or, if she really wanted to address the very real issue of sexism, she could have put some weight behind the issue and explained its problems and ways in which we as a culture could overcome that instead of just crying wolf (which is what her crying sexism has become, regardless of whether it is real or not). I don't really see her doing that though.
Newsweek still sucks though, for numerous other reasons. #sarahpalin
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However, I hope Palin ends up like Tonya Harding--after attacking her opponent, she still didn't even place in the Olympics. If I remember correctly, she wasn't even in the top ten. #sarahpalin
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She's uninformed, pompous, egotistical, lazy (hello quitter), fame seeking, etc. Everytime she opens her mouth, twitters, or posts a facebook update, she provides more ammunition for her haters.
But the fixation is so often: Beauty Queen! The hair! The heels! The lipstick! The clothes!
Talk about lazy quitters. They aren't even trying. #sarahpalin
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*Not a runner unless chased or late for the bus. #sarahpalin
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@yvanehtnioj: Yes, the covers are somewhat "sexified" but still really "realistic" to running.
If her picture looked like this, we wouldn't be having this conversation. #sarahpalin