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Does...does that model have curves?? On her hips and thighs??? Quel horreur!
(Note: that picture is beautiful and gorgeous. I wish more models nowadays had beautiful curvy figures like that model)
@Antonella: A while ago when I was reading Andy Warhol's diaries from the 70s & 80s, I came across a reference to Anna Wintour, and how she 'had terrible taste in clothes' basically. I thought it was hilarious.
Everything has already been said about her at this point, but I'm still kind of dumbfounded that she herself isn't embarrassed about all of the obviously derivative editorials she does, not to mention the re-runs.
I was shocked to see real hips and thighs on the model in photo 20. Wouldn't she be fat by the standards of modern Anna?
(I simply can't believe how ugly and unflattering the clothes and frizzy hair were--and I was in my 20s in the 80s.)
The then/now comparisons really drive home how very skinny today's models are compared to the 80's aesthetic. Look at the hips on #20 - there's no WAY that would escape the Photoshop airbrush in today's Vogue.
I much prefer the old school style, and now I has a sad.
"New York also notes that in the fortnight their new editor has been on the job, she hasn't appeared in the same outfit twice."
And there point is what? I imagine most people would have enough clothes in their closet to create a different outfit over the course of two weeks. Especially someone who wants to work in fashion and be around clothes. Maybe if they'd said over the course of a month, I'd be aghast, but two weeks? Nothing in fashion really.
@EkaterinaBallerina: Yeah, 2 weeks is about how often I do laundry. Granted, I will wear the same skirt or pants at least twice in that time period, but not the same exact outfit from head to toe.
I think what icks me out most about purity rings is, in theory, everyone knows when you get some for the first time. No one needs to know that. If people want to wait, that's fine. But I kind of feel sorry for those two, as everyone is going to be going "Ohh Kevin Jonas is about to become a man!" and that's really gross, frankly.
I really do not understand why so many people are so judgmental about the sex life of the Jonas Brothers.
They don't want to have sex until they get married, so what? Unless they've called those who do have sex before marriage diseased whores, I don't get what the big deal is. If slut shaming is bad, why isn't virgin shaming?
21 is young to get married but it isn't that young. I was a college graduate at 21 living on my own in a city where I didn't know anyone. 21 is a grown up. A year also really isn't that crazy fast to get engaged.
@clevernamehere: I agree. I have plenty of friends who are virgins in their mid 20s. They're not religious either. They just happen to be virgins, and it's not really a big deal...I also know lots of couples (also not evangelicals, for what it's worth) who got married at 21-22 and they are in perfectly normal, happy relationships. Honestly, I barely know who Kevin Jonas is...if they are happy, then that's totally cool for them and I wish them the best.
@clevernamehere: Because we're all very cynical, and because statistics show that taking a virginity pledge doesn't particularly work they way they're meant to. And not everyone agrees about when it's right to get married. I know that if I had gotten married at 21 or 22, it would have been a huge mistake. (I had no idea who I was then!) People who get married at that age have the highest divorce rate.
@clevernamehere: I think the problem isn't their virginity, but the purity rings. Purity rings state to the world you are a virgin and you are saving yourself for marriage. Why does virginity need to be advertised in this way? Why do they need to separate themselves from the rest of the populace who do have pre-marital sex?
@dj_chick: I know virginity pledges are not statistically successful, my master thesis was on teenage pregnancy prevention. But I've also known numerous people who did wait until marriage. Just because virginity pledges aren't a good form of sex ed, doesn't mean they are bad personal choices if the person is making the decision of their own free will.
I'm not so sure they are in the highest divorce group, even if they got married this second (your link doesn't give a source). I'm pretty sure the odds of divorce in a first marriage are highest for teens and slowly decline until age 25, which is what these sources say: [www.psychpage.com] [www.huffingtonpost.com]
But I still don't think it really matters. No age group has a 100% divorce rate.
@heykoukla: @clotheswhorse: Maybe its because I don't follow the Jonas Brothers so I've missed them making a big deal of it, but I assume people know because they ask. I don't have a problem with people mentioning their plan to wait until marriage anymore than I have a problem with someone discussing how they lost their virginity on Howard Stern. I personally wouldn't do it, but I don't care if other people do.
@clevernamehere: I'm going to take it back to people being cynical/skeptical. Just like how Britney Spears was open about being a virgin and planning to wait until marriage, except it turned out that was a lie (and probably part of her PR plan). I'm skeptical of virginity pledges because IMO, it's something kids do to make their parents happy. (Again, just my opinion.) Unfortunately, the Jonas Brothers have made themselves public figures on the topic, and they're going to be scrutinized for every decision they make regarding sex/relationships.
@clevernamehere: There is nothing wrong with wanting to wait. That's probably the best thing you can do - don't throw it away. But there is something wrong about being sanctimonious assholes about it.
@apocalypse-nowish: But have them been sanctimonious assholes about it? If there is some interview out there where they call teens who have sex whores I'd feel differently about the whole thing. But to me, admitting you're waiting when asked doesn't equal sanctimonious.
@Rosaxé: I imagine the cute popular Jonas Brothers waiting is probably helpful to some younger teens who might feel pressured. The ones who don't want to wait have lots of media role models.
Consider me one of the 64% of the American public who think that news organizations have covered MJ's death too much.
I understand that this was a horribly tragic thing, but when I watch the news in the morning I should be able to find at least one news station that isn't broadcasting speculative stories about how he died (i.e. could he have overdosed on this drug? how about this one? I feel like we have a better shot at finding the answer if we look at this one...).
If we need to know how he died that badly, why not wait until a coroner's report has been released and report on that. In the meantime, I would request that stations like CNN focus on things other than MJ.
@MissFiFi: I guess the whole thing that bothers me the most is the speculation.
For instance, this morning Sanjay Gupta was trying to figure out what sleep aid MJ was addicted to. He postulated that it could be over the counter, or it could be prescription, it could even be something that anesthesiologists use. All of this was happening ON AIR. I lost a little respect for Dr. Gupta, and even more for CNN (who began the downworld spiral in my esteem during the Iranian election aftermath).
I know they are driven by numbers, and they have budgets to meet as well, but I just wish they wouldn't stoop to what ifs. I was always under the impressio that was for the beginning stages of an investigative journalism piece, not for broadcast.
@dianersb was bit by a zombie: And also I wonder if part of it isn't our whole instant gratification thing. I think our society is becoming more and more used to having everything happen RIGHT NOW, right when we want it -- from fast food to internet access where we can look up just about any subject and have info instantly to even streaming video (heck, we don't even have to run out to the mailbox to grab our Netflix anymore!). So, we might want to know what killed Mr. Jackson, but we have become unused to having to wait for information, thus all the people on-air giving the only thing they can -- speculation and opinion.
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Picture #20
Does...does that model have curves?? On her hips and thighs??? Quel horreur!
(Note: that picture is beautiful and gorgeous. I wish more models nowadays had beautiful curvy figures like that model)
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Everything has already been said about her at this point, but I'm still kind of dumbfounded that she herself isn't embarrassed about all of the obviously derivative editorials she does, not to mention the re-runs.
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(I simply can't believe how ugly and unflattering the clothes and frizzy hair were--and I was in my 20s in the 80s.)
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I much prefer the old school style, and now I has a sad.
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And there point is what? I imagine most people would have enough clothes in their closet to create a different outfit over the course of two weeks. Especially someone who wants to work in fashion and be around clothes. Maybe if they'd said over the course of a month, I'd be aghast, but two weeks? Nothing in fashion really.
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They don't want to have sex until they get married, so what? Unless they've called those who do have sex before marriage diseased whores, I don't get what the big deal is. If slut shaming is bad, why isn't virgin shaming?
21 is young to get married but it isn't that young. I was a college graduate at 21 living on my own in a city where I didn't know anyone. 21 is a grown up. A year also really isn't that crazy fast to get engaged.
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All of that said, I do with them luck.
stats about virginity pledges - [en.wikipedia.org]
stats on divorce rates - [www.divorcerate.org]
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I'm not so sure they are in the highest divorce group, even if they got married this second (your link doesn't give a source). I'm pretty sure the odds of divorce in a first marriage are highest for teens and slowly decline until age 25, which is what these sources say:
[www.psychpage.com]
[www.huffingtonpost.com]
But I still don't think it really matters. No age group has a 100% divorce rate.
@heykoukla: @clotheswhorse: Maybe its because I don't follow the Jonas Brothers so I've missed them making a big deal of it, but I assume people know because they ask. I don't have a problem with people mentioning their plan to wait until marriage anymore than I have a problem with someone discussing how they lost their virginity on Howard Stern. I personally wouldn't do it, but I don't care if other people do.
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What bothers me is the idea there is something wrong with them for not having sex.
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@Rosaxé: I imagine the cute popular Jonas Brothers waiting is probably helpful to some younger teens who might feel pressured. The ones who don't want to wait have lots of media role models.
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I understand that this was a horribly tragic thing, but when I watch the news in the morning I should be able to find at least one news station that isn't broadcasting speculative stories about how he died (i.e. could he have overdosed on this drug? how about this one? I feel like we have a better shot at finding the answer if we look at this one...).
If we need to know how he died that badly, why not wait until a coroner's report has been released and report on that. In the meantime, I would request that stations like CNN focus on things other than MJ.
/cranky rant
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For instance, this morning Sanjay Gupta was trying to figure out what sleep aid MJ was addicted to. He postulated that it could be over the counter, or it could be prescription, it could even be something that anesthesiologists use. All of this was happening ON AIR. I lost a little respect for Dr. Gupta, and even more for CNN (who began the downworld spiral in my esteem during the Iranian election aftermath).
I know they are driven by numbers, and they have budgets to meet as well, but I just wish they wouldn't stoop to what ifs. I was always under the impressio that was for the beginning stages of an investigative journalism piece, not for broadcast.
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