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Grim Reaper of the Forest
12/17/08

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I think it is wasteful and unnecessarily cruel to buy several mink coats when you live in Florida for the winter. But, I have an old wool coat with a fur collar that my grandmother made using the fur stole of her mother. I don't feel that getting use out of that 100-year old fur is more morally outrageous than the 10 pairs of leather shoes I own, or the several new unnecessary articles of clothing I buy in a year. There are always issues to weigh, and the benefit of reusing old clothes, connecting with your elders etc., is high too. People have such amusingly selective moral high grounds.
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evil_green_eyes
12/16/08

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Well this leftovers certainly opened up a shitstorm.
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AuntieEm (robots from the year 2000 > zombies)
12/17/08

@evil_green_eyes: yeah, that's a lot of hate! I demand an article about LOL-something!
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Trilby O'Ferrall
12/16/08

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There is a lot of...aggression, and personal attacking going on here. And on Jezebel comments in general lately. I'm not sure why this is happening, it didn't use to be quite this bad. Maybe it's the stress from the time of year.

That said, rabbits creep me the hell out. I think they are evil. Seeing one killed doesn't bother me because I think rabbits want to kill us while we sleep by gnawing through our necks. But I love dogs and cats and sheep, and would hate to see them killed. I think the fur issue has many sides to it. I don't know who is right. It seems that the best compromise would be to regulate the treatment of the animals rather than ban it outright. But I am no expert, so...
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AuntieEm (robots from the year 2000 > zombies)
12/17/08

@lawschoolmakesmecrazy: Bunnicula!!!
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ellaesther
12/16/08

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I'll start by saying this: The Twitter story is fucking adorable, and I am in love with that dad, having never laid eyes on him. How sweet, how delightfully dorky!

And having said *that*, I will say *this*: When I was pregnant with my daughter, if my husband has so much as suggested this, I would have thrown him out. On his ass. My belly was a complete no-touch zone for some bizarre, hormonal reason. I wouldn't even let my mother get her hands on me. I would impatiently suffer my husband's hands on the rarest of "she's kicking!" occasions, and grit-my-teeth-patiently accept my then 3.5 year old son's. Because you can't throw out your toddler.

But WIRES? Are you mad?!
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Alexis
12/16/08

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I wish there was more regulation of the fur trade, but all in all, I have no issue with fur. I think it's unfair for people to say that if I don't hate fur then I'm in favor of 'slaughter other creatures in the name of style.' It's a sensationalistic approach. I think that animals shouldn't be over farmed and kept in disgusting conditions, but it's something I don't feel is a major issue. The working conditions that PEOPLE have to deal with in the sweatshops of the fur trade is far more important. Also, I think its fucking ridiculous that people are still pouring paint and flour on people in the streets. You don't like it? Don't support the industry.
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dirtybee
12/16/08

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If wearing fur gave women wrinkles, the market would die a quick death.
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gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy
12/16/08

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Someone forgot to tell my taste buds that they're not boys. Maybe I just haven't had have enough boys in my mouth?
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DangerMouse
12/16/08

@gerbilsoutofexile (day five of withdrawal - itching and bra...: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA so wrong and yet so right
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ElizaGray
12/16/08

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The breast reduction story is angering, but not surprising. I had to fight my way to surgery through a second insurance company after being denied multiple times by the first company I tried to go through. They denied me despite photo evidence and letters from my doctor and physical therapist.
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Penny_Esq
12/16/08

@ElizaGray: My boobs will never ever require reducing, but one of my colleagues at my office had ginormous breasts that were begging for a reduction, and when the insurance we had wouldn't cover her surgery, my boss just switched insurance companies. I love the people I work for. (The job, on the other hand...)
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
12/16/08

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Man, I can't wait for PETA to set up hundreds of Gore-Tex plants in Nunavut and the Yukon (which is, I assume, a plan of theirs). Sure they'll be expensive to build and maintain, pollute the hell out of the area and the products will fail to decompose the way fur does, but the Inuit are sick and tired of having blood thrown at them all the time!
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MeganGlass 就是一个古代的三明治
12/16/08

@HeatherNumber1: Yeah. Fur as a practical measure is A-OK with me. I grew up in Alaska, and fur just wasn't such a big deal.
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dementagirl
12/16/08

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I have a hand-me down fur coat from my granny annie that i love to death but i'm scaried to wear it out the house. I've angered PETA people before by bring chicken wings to an event, didn't know it was a potluck for them, don't want to destroy a treasure by doing it again
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ellaesther
12/16/08

@dementagirl: Seriously? Chicken wings to a PETA event? Wowee zowee. I have seriously messed up on invitations in my time but that is just painful. Wow oh wow.
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dementagirl
12/16/08

@ellaesther: Yeah, i just saw bring food and did...I had tempah throw at me as i was running out.
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ellaesther
12/16/08

@dementagirl: No. They didn't. They THREW tempeh at you? For real? I'm not at all sure that would convince me to adhere to their cause, were I on the receiving end of projectile soy.
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thesciencegirl
12/16/08

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Dudes, the comments on the Walsh article have devolved into anti-Obama tirades. wth?!
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Trilby O'Ferrall
12/16/08

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I would never BUY a fur coat in this day and age, because I don't want to pay into that industry. However, I am going to inherit my grandmother's classic 1960's mink coat when my mom dies, and I WILL wear it. I don't think there is anything wrong with wearing a inherited or vintage item because it was made/bought back before we knew better. It's a relic. But if someone dares to throw anything on that coat, they will be leaving the altercation minus their own scalp because you do not mess with my grandmama's stuff.
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katie.scarlett.o'hara
12/16/08

@lawschoolmakesmecrazy: I totally agree. My grandma has some gorgeous ones...
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sportz.star
12/16/08

@lawschoolmakesmecrazy: Yes. I love my inherited fur stole.
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Jello Mix
12/16/08

@lawschoolmakesmecrazy: Agreed! My grandma's mink stole is a family treasure. My lady relatives and I take turns wearing it. Why let it go to waste?
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sportz.star
12/16/08

@jello_mix: There are many comments on here that believe it should go to "waste" - or at least be donated to a homeless shelter (which I guess means it's ok to wear heirloom fur if that's the only thing you have to keep warm, but not if it's your heirloom). Anyway, many other commenters don't care if you did not financially support the fur industry. All fur wearing makes you a supporter of animal torture.
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Cuntlovin
12/16/08

@sportz.star:

Yeah I was going to say that..there is a rant going that wearing old fur is worse because 1) you are still promoting fur as stylish 2) old fur was probably acquired under worse conditions and thus what you are wearing is even more cruel 3) you are just saying that to release your guilt about wearing fur...and I am kinda with sportz_star on this, then what are you suppose to do with it?

It seems even more hypocritical to me to donate it because 1) the majority of donated clothes then get sold for a profit, and I don't trust dropping it off at a homeless shelter that someone isn't going to be greedy and snatch (someone who is not homeless) and thus perpetuate the fur wearing cycle 2) It seems wasteful and well ungreen to just toss it out...I dunno I don't like fur personally, and while I have a vintage fur from my Oma I never wear it, but I don't know what should be done with it
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Penny_Esq
12/16/08

@Cuntlovin: A lot of animal welfare organizations also recommend donating old furs to them. They are used in wildlife rehabilitation as a sort of comfort for orphaned baby animals. It is kind of like returning your fur to the wild.

[www.hsus.org]
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Scout
12/16/08

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I'd totally wear Nutria Fur - it would help save the environment !!!

[www2.tbo.com]
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MeganGlass 就是一个古代的三明治
12/16/08

@Scout: So does seal fur, to a certain extent.
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Scout
12/16/08

@MizJenkins: I agree with you - it is VERY over-reaching

though, admittedly, when I was about 13-14 I was very militant about this sort of thing - turning vegan, throwing away all my mother's leather shoes (got beat for that), joined ALF (but never bombed anything) et al

Some people go through extreme stages before finding that ever elusive, though very important, middle ground.
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Scout
12/16/08

@MeganGlass: even if you are being facetious...I think you may have YET ANOTHER POINT! Since the ocean fish populations are depleted and commercial fishing is not a sustainable practice - it may NOT hurt to put even tighter restrictions on fishermen and still allow seal hunt subsidies (for Harp seals - some other seal populations are listed endangered) - then use the meat to feed people and the pelts to make clothing

*the hunts should be humane, of course
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MeganGlass 就是一个古代的三明治
12/16/08

@Scout: Which is my point exactly. There are some really sound arguments to be made in favor of seal hunting. I started looking into it when I got some of PETA's propaganda. I mean, it didn't have anything other than some cute seals and "oh no! I'm cute! don't kill me!" So I started researching... and I was surprised to see myself come around to a more pro-seal hunt stance. What's interesting is that seal hunting is mostly done with rifles. What's sad about that is that according to some various veterinary experts, it takes 40-60 seconds for a shot seal to die. It only takes one whack over the head with a hakapik, the "clubs" you see in the photos. They have spikes. It's instant death, vs. a painful minute of bleeding out. I say use the clubs.
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MeganGlass 就是一个古代的三明治
12/16/08

@MeganGlass: Or near-instant anyway.
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SurrealKiller
12/16/08

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I heard two lady coworkers yesterday talking about how they bad they wanted mink fur coats. They were so excited and happy talking about it and it just made me feel sad that they have no idea of the horrors that take place in the fur industry. In my opinion, I don't think fur is acceptable and I don't care if people make comments (as a member did a few days ago) on how it's silly or there's no point to the anti-fur movement because "they will still do it anyway".

It's horrible, it's cruel and that's my stand. So is the leather industry for that matter (that's a different story) so don't need to hear it. It's all cruel I know.
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katie.scarlett.o'hara
12/16/08

@SurrealKiller: The only justification I can think of is buying vintage. I would never buy a new fur coat and support the industry, but I would definitely picture wearing one of my grandmother's.
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RainyKate
12/16/08

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I know there are better reasons to not wear fur, but the most persuasive to me has always been:

Fur is tacky! Tack-ay.
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katie.scarlett.o'hara
12/16/08

@RainyKate: Especially in this economy. "Look how rich I am!"

I sort of lust after my grandmother's coats, though. I am a bad person.
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