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Eye For An Eye
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12/15/08
12/15/08
I'm going go to go out on a limb here and suggest .... a sense of humanity. I'm not pissed it happened to a woman, I'm pissed it happened to anyone. I'd be just as mad if a crazy lady had done it to her male suitor.
The punishment is interesting and awfully progressive, so for that I am happy. And the punishment certainly fits the crime. But really, I don't ever support cruel and unusual punishments, and I have a hard time cheering when I hear that someone is having ACID put into their eyes. It's the sort of thing I relish in my head as the ultimate revenge, but it's not what I would want in real life.
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(I loathe men who want to ''punish'' women for not being their slaves. Death seems like a more appropriate punishment.)
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Then I read everyone's comments, which mirrored my more idealist stirrings, and then some commenters cinched it for me by saying "We're allowing a religion to be the law of the land." This is just not okay, because it's this kind of rule that allows these horrible crimes to happen in the first place.
So thank you, everyone, for making me look at this from all possible angles.
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@goodcheapfun: I'm not going to start shit with you, so take it elsewhere, mate.
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If you want to go pour acid on someone who poured acid on you, for emotional healing, then fine, go ahead, but I think the role of the government is to discourage violence and acid-throwing, and they should put both parties in "time-out," not encourage it. If the govt. starts throwing acid on its citizens as a punishment, I think that's when you know you are living in the sort of country where women get hanged for killing rapists in self-defense and people get sent to jail for being homosexuals. Because ya know who throws acid on each other? Bad people, bad governments, people like this crazy asshole guy.
While I don't believe that our justice system is perfect in the US, I am glad that we don't have such noble punishments on the books such as throwing acid in people's eyes. Ironically, I am hoping very much to be a prosecutor when I graduate from law school, I do tend to think of myself as the "law and order" type, even though I don't support the death penalty. So maybe that's why I'm so shocked to see some people here advocating for a rule of law that completely disregards any prohibitions against cruel and unusual punishment.
Guantanomo, for example, do people here support the US using this as a prison? It is possible that those people have done truly horrific things in the name of fanaticism, yet many Americans don't believe that those prisoners should be without any due process, or should be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment.
I think this may be my longest post ever, on Jezebel, but I really am surprised that so many fellow Jezebelles support a govt. undertaking this sort of punishment against its citizens- especially one that is not known for treating women with equality at all. If they allow this sort of punishment for a man, whose to say they won't allow it for an ever lesser crime committed by a woman?
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And at least the old President, when this happened was horrified enough by the crime that he was personally paying a portion of Bahrami's medical bills, and I think even her rent. And then he authorized the govt. to pick up some more of the expenses. Ahmadinejad's response?
"Ahmadinejad's media adviser, Medhi Kalhor, said he could guess why the payments were cut off. "Did Mr. Khatami throw the acid? No. He shouldn't have paid for her out of the people's pocket," he said. "If Bahrami was an old man with an ingrown toenail, no one would speak of it. . . . There are so many people who need our help. We cannot just pay for everybody."
Even this guy's father thought the punishment was fair. Because, ya know, acid to the eyes is what you do when you're pissed about something. This isn't changing that view, it's just making it seem even more acceptable.
But it is a heartbreaking story. I was wondering why she didn't get $$$ from her attacker, but apparently she chose the acid over "blood money" which she also would have been entitled to.
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This seems like revenge. And while, I understand the feeling behind it and the drive to violently punish such a heinous crime, I do not think it will solve the larger problem and might even drive a deeper wedge between the genders.
I am deeply conflicted about this whole situation.
12/14/08
It makes me so, so sick to imagine this punishment being carried out, and I have a weak stomach to begin with. Is it the right thing to do to him? You know, I think not. But I'm going to try and focus on the part where this is showing that you cannot simply harm women and get away with it all the time, and that is something I CAN agree with.
12/14/08
It's so conflicting. Just...wow.
It is, however, patently obvious that the man is ill. Very, very ill.
12/14/08
"They must also completely empty out her eyes, since I'm not sure that she cannot secretly see," he said. "The newspapers have made this a huge case, but I haven't done anything bad."
Yep, absolutely no qualms against this verdict.
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I complete agree that it was an incredible act of misogyny, but I'm not going to support this just because a woman is getting "justice" in a country where women are seen has half the worth of a man. This isn't a great stride in Iranian proceedings, this is a continuation of cruel and unusual punishment that runs rampant in that country.
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I don't think I can can agree. The eye for an eye principle is on eof the oldest humanlegal principles. I don't see why thoughtful people can't discuss a legal system case-by-case.
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