I am all for changing the ways society and culture view women. I do think that society doesn't treat women with as much respect as it deserves, and in the people I know that does come out in a lot of ways-- but not in an acceptance of rape. I deal more with women who choose to sleep around being judged, and trying to combat that. And, I have mixed feelings of porn of all types, because I find it incredibly boring, and am very torn on the degrading nature of most mainstream porn and disturbed by the unrealistic bodies used-- yet, if i were to watch porn? I would probably want something with some amount of force and degradation to the woman, who I would be identifying with. Power play-- done in a safe manner-- gets me more worked up than sweet equality, for some reason.

I do think there is SO MUCH in society's views towards women that do need to be changed though, so we agree on that point.

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@5ft of fury: I don't think I'm doing that, and I'm not exactly sure what you mean. I do have very mixed feelings on porn-- I don't like that it shows degrading acts-- but I don't feel like the women in porn are being degraded, or that it makes men more likely to degrade them. When I fantasize, I fantasize about degrading or violent things being done to me-- so if I were to watch porn, I would probably want one that matches my fantasies, which would mean I woman I could identify with being degraded. My problem is that, if certain situations in porn were real, I would disapprove of them-- but as long as they stay in fantasy-land, they're fine. My bigger issue with porn is the way women seem to always want sex, to love every position, and be made out of plastic. The appearances and attitudes are degrading. I don't think power play is for everyone, and I wouldn't reccomend anyone try it who isn't comfortable with it, but I don't think porn creates or encourages problems in society. I don't think it normalizes problems. I think its stays in the realm of fantasy. But, the existence of women as only sex objects does bother me. Porn with a plot would be something interesting, though.

We're getting a little off topic. If you want to continue talking beyond this subject, we could take it to PMs?

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Video games where you kill zombies or "enemies" in combat are one thing, but a DVD that sucks you into the mindset of a serial killer? That gives you the first-hand experience of stalking a victim and pre-meditating how to kill him/her? I think that starts to cross the line from fantasy to facilitation.

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