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    Defense Claims Female Officers "Had It In For" Amanda Knox

    Closing Statements Heard In Knox Trial • Going Rogue: Over One Million Served

    Amanda Knox: As Sweet And Innocent As A Montmartre Housebreaker

    PETA Asks School To Replace Mascot • Lawyer Denounces Knox As She-Devil

    Prosecutor In Amanda Knox Trial Pushes For Life In Prison

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    Image of DexterHaven DexterHaven
    04:10 PM

    In reply to Defense Claims Female Officers "Had It In For" Amanda Knox
    I have no idea whether Knox is guilty or not, but it is clear that she is being judged on her sexual behaviour, her behaviour in court (cf anonymous commentators on Daily Fail article that she smiles too much) and the vicarious thrill that attaches itself to violent females. The Italians have royally fucked this up.
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    03:32 PM

    In reply to Defense Claims Female Officers "Had It In For" Amanda Knox
    omfg Daily Fail.
    This is a new low, even for holiday coverage. Even for you.
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    03:29 PM

    In reply to Defense Claims Female Officers "Had It In For" Amanda Knox
    Ok. I have really stayed away from news reports about this because the situation is so fucked I can't make heads or tails of it but...TEARS??? Her attorney? broke down? in tears? on the record?
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    03:30 PM

    @bluebears: Just imagine the entire thing as set to Puccini.
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    03:31 PM

    @bluebears: It's Italy.
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    03:34 PM

    @andBegorrah: & @PilgrimSoul: ok now I'm laughing and imagining that transcript

    (music swells)

    defense attorney: The police (voice cracks) have hated my client (blows nose) from the start. This is --- sobbing -- a travesty of justice

    (crescendo)

    fin
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    Image of curiousgeorgiana curiousgeorgiana
    03:34 PM

    @andBegorrah: This made me laugh harder than such a tragic story should.
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    03:24 PM

    In reply to Defense Claims Female Officers "Had It In For" Amanda Knox
    But, Italian women love the sex!
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    Image of DutchessOfDork DutchessOfDork
    12/01/09

    In reply to Closing Statements Heard In Knox Trial • Going Rogue: Over One Million Served
    Jacob Zuma also claimed that he didn't catch HIV from a woman because he showered afterwards.
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    12/01/09

    In reply to Amanda Knox: As Sweet And Innocent As A Montmartre Housebreaker
    What an insult to Amelie.
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    12/01/09

    In reply to Closing Statements Heard In Knox Trial • Going Rogue: Over One Million Served
    Asma Hanif = teh awesome. Wonderful points and a great cause. Hooray!
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    12/01/09

    In reply to Closing Statements Heard In Knox Trial • Going Rogue: Over One Million Served
    [www.overcompensating.com]
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    Image of curiousgeorgiana curiousgeorgiana
    12/01/09

    In reply to Closing Statements Heard In Knox Trial • Going Rogue: Over One Million Served
    Hooray DC! One more vote and then it's off to the mayor for signature.

    Passed by a vote of 11-2. Should be noted that Marion Barry was a dissenting vote. I will be so happy to see that man disappear from public life.

    Now Archdiocese-- don't be assholes and withdraw your social services. The people still need the support you provide.
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    Image of Zombies make the heart grow fonder Zombies make the heart grow fonder
    12/01/09

    @curiousgeorgiana: YAY! You know, I would love to see a Jezebel article discussing race relations and gay marriage. I say this because the two dissenting votes here in D.C. were cast by representatives from minority areas (7 and 8) who said that they were pushed by ministers and their constituents to vote against it.

    I believe there was some talk about it when Prop 8 passed but I don't remember whether there was a real discussion about it. Correct me if I am wrong.
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    Image of tobesthewonderdog tobesthewonderdog
    12/01/09

    @curiousgeorgiana: i know marion barry is such an embarassing thing about dc that everyone knows about and i wish we could keep it to ourselves.
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    Image of RunawayPancake RunawayPancake
    12/01/09

    @Zombies make the heart grow fonder: Here's an article from today's WaPo that talks about how religious and generational influences divide DC African-Americans on the gay marriage issue and whether its worthy of comparison to the civil rights movement: [www.washingtonpost.com]
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    Image of curiousgeorgiana curiousgeorgiana
    12/01/09

    @Zombies make the heart grow fonder: One Jez post dealt with the issue that I remember-- maybe more?

    [jezebel.com]
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    12/01/09

    @tobesthewonderdog: His statement directed at gay and lesbian residents of DC:

    "It's not fair to make this one issue a litmus test as to one's commitment to human rights, to justice, and I resent those who would make it a litmus test."

    -Marion Barry
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    12/01/09

    @curiousgeorgiana: litmus test makers set him up!
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    Image of Ipomoea Ipomoea
    12/01/09

    In reply to Amanda Knox: As Sweet And Innocent As A Montmartre Housebreaker
    Ugh, I am so tired of this. The Italian justice system makes me want to tear my hair out, and the media coverage in both the States and Europe isn't much better. Just fucking deliberate, and leave the devil-fueled sex games out of it. I'm tired of Amanda Knox being UW's ambassador to the world.
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    Image of Tchotchke Tchotchke
    12/01/09

    In reply to Amanda Knox: As Sweet And Innocent As A Montmartre Housebreaker
    I'm not sure that I understand why the prosecution decided "lurid sex games" was the angle to use. It just seems so...bizarre. Am I missing something? I've been following the case and still don't understand that part of it.
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    Image of J.D.Regent J.D.Regent
    12/01/09

    @Tchotchke: it's hard to read about this case and not feel overwhelmed with stereotypes about Italy.
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    Image of Tchotchke Tchotchke
    12/01/09

    @J.D.Regent: Yes. And I wish that I could read Italian and perhaps gain a better understanding of the Italian perspective on this trial is.
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    Image of Amber Helvey Amber Helvey
    12/01/09

    @Tchotchke: You should read "Monser of Florence" by Douglas Preston. I just finished it this weekend and it's a disturbing look at the Italian justice system. It also paints a damning picture of the way some devastating serial killings were investigated, and how many innocent lives were ruined. In the edition I read, the afterword focuses on Amanda Knox and how this bizarre sex game theory seems to be based on no evidence, and was in fact started by the same people who completely botched the Monster case by insisting that the Monster was involved in a Satanic cult instead of actually looking at you know, evidence and facts, and forensics and such. It's frightening how it seems like there is so much make-believe happening in the police work.
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    Image of Tchotchke Tchotchke
    12/01/09

    @Amber Helvey: Oh, thank you for recommending that to me! I have actually heard of the case, but had forgotten all about it. A few years ago, there was a television program about the Monster case and the Italian justice system, which I found riveting. I've studied the Italian judicial system a bit, because my studies focus on international law, but not in the depth that I would like. Once again, thank you for recommending that book to me; I will be adding it to my "must read" list. :-)
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    Image of Jack_Burton Jack_Burton
    12/01/09

    In reply to Amanda Knox: As Sweet And Innocent As A Montmartre Housebreaker
    Has he even watched Amalie? Because there's like some pretty complex things going on behind the "naive" girl's eyes...
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    12/01/09

    @Jack_Burton: Because naivete and wondering how many couples orgasm at a given moment go hand in hand.
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    Image of Smartipants Smartipants
    02:33 AM

    @Jack_Burton: There was a French movie starring the actress from Amelie that made this point exactly - half was told from her point of view where she was hanging out with her boyfriend and the other half was from his point of view where she was a crazy mental patient stalking him. Brilliant!
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    Image of sybann sybann
    12/01/09

    In reply to Amanda Knox: As Sweet And Innocent As A Montmartre Housebreaker
    This is disgustingly bad lawyering.
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    Image of mfnher mfnher
    12/01/09

    In reply to Amanda Knox: As Sweet And Innocent As A Montmartre Housebreaker
    Does anyone have an update on when this is going to jury deliberation? It seems like she's been on trial forever.
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    12/01/09

    @mfnher: She has been. The Italian courts aren't exactly a model of efficiency. Also, they take a long break in the summer.
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    Image of gherkinfiend gherkinfiend
    12/01/09

    @mfnher: I think I read on the BBC at the weekend that this is the last week of the trial.

    Of course I can't find the link now so I'm not sure. It really is endless...how can the jury retain so much information over so long? It sounds like a recipe for a quick deliberation by the jury and a possible miscarriage of justice just to get the whole thing over. Not good.
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    Image of smama smama
    12/01/09

    @winner: I took a course in European Legal Systems outside of Florence 2 years ago, and you're right - the professor seemed quite ashamed of the molasses-pace of their courts.
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    12/01/09

    @smama: Exactly. I am so appreciative of the American judicial system after studying the legal systems of other countries.
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    Image of voteforpedro voteforpedro
    12/01/09

    @smama: Um, yeah. Cause Europe is totally a country with the same laws everywhere.
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    12/01/09

    @voteforpedro: Notice smama said "European Legal SystemS," implying that the class probably included information about many countries within Europe...Italy was probably one of those countries, because Italy is notorious for its...interesting legal system.
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    12/01/09

    @winner: Italy itself isn't exactly a model of efficiency. Love the place, but it's way more relaxed than what Americans are used to. It gets frustrating, but it's a different culture & different way of life.
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    Image of smama smama
    12/01/09

    @onestrawplz: @voteforpedro Yes, onestraw has it right. We looked at Italy, France, Germany, Spain, the UK, and also pulled in some Australian law and Canadian, since that's where we students were normally studying. It was officially titled Comparative European Legal Systems, but it didn't occur to me that it was important to be highly specific on that..
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    12/01/09

    @smama: I took a similar course two years ago, and what I found fascinating about Italy was: a. the inefficiency, especially when compared to the United States and other European nations, and b. the sheer magnitude of corruption. Granted, the corruption issue is not as bad today as it was prior to the late '90s, but still, it's incredible.

    Also interesting is that in Russian trials, there are three sides: prosecution, defense, and the victims' families. From a legal standpoint, I find that fascinating because it completely alters the balance and mood of the trial. Sorry to nerd-out there, I couldn't resist!
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    Image of smama smama
    01:33 AM

    @Tchotchke: I agree! I also liked how a bit of historical perspective added to my understanding of a particular nation's structure - like, states where dictators in the past had judges in their pocket tend not to have systems where constitutional issues are handled by the judges at all in the modern era. Seeing how other places set up their checks and balances gave me greater insight into why we have certain processes in Canada and made me less likely to just accept a structure or system as 'how the law works' in general. Nerds 4eva!
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    09:45 AM

    @smama: Oh, in that case I'm sorry. I thought the "professor was ashamed of" bit refered back to the European Legal Systems bit, and not only to the Italian legal system.
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    10:20 AM

    @voteforpedro: Ah, I now see how that was a bit unclear. No worries!
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    Image of BuffySummers BuffySummers
    12/01/09

    In reply to Amanda Knox: As Sweet And Innocent As A Montmartre Housebreaker
    Have they ever actually given any details (or theories) on what these supposed "sex games" entailed? That explanation just seems like this very general buzz word/phrase that makes people who already want to see her as some evil American whore nod their heads furiously and forget that it doesn't actually mean anything.
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    Image of lizyfizy lizyfizy
    12/01/09

    @BuffySummers: Whenever I hear people refer to "sex games," I imagine they're playing tag.
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    12/01/09

    @lizyfizy:

    Naked?
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