The whole attitude on confessional writing is colored by your view of journalism as a whole. Is it centered about the timely and relevant delivery of important events in the world? Is it a profession designed to build common experience with a readership through interesting storytelling? Is it an exercise in brevity and hard news, or an exploration of more meandering features? But under all this...who are journalists? Are they fact-finders, news gatherers, real reporters, focused on the story, or are they more fleshed-out people, with thoughts and experiences coloring their world view and the articles they write?
In my opinion, the issue isn't with women being confessional. It's with the 4th estate breaking down the 4th wall. Columns are generally a place for reporters and editors to exercise some more literary writing, to reflect on some personal experience...but when does it become "I'm a name you know, so let me tell you more about myself, and let this inform you every time you see my byline"?
As a journalist, I'd have a problem with trying to maintain an appropriate professional "distance" between my work and my personal self, if the personal side is so viscerally exposed in the professional realm, in the same spot. Now if one retired or quit the job, and then wrote a book, that'd be a different story.
i have a problem with the suggestion that women are so intellectually and emotionally vulnerable that any pathetic self-confessional has that much coercion power over her. speaking for myself, i haven't the slightest intention of taking seriously Zoe Lewis' "advice." i don't even know this woman. she has nothing to do with me. and this is my reaction to all such "confessional" writing. in fact it's a bit insulting to assume that most women are so easily leached of their own good opinion.
I'm confused- is this about journalism, or is this about poetry/literature?? Because there is a difference that should be recognized. Much of Plath's work is "confessional," not the least of which being The Bell Jar. The interesting thing about comparing biography with literature is that it gives the reader a chance to look through a writer's window, to see how truth is invariably translated into fantasm by vehicle of distance and memory. It makes me think of Jean Rhys, whose work, aside from Wide Sargasso Sea, is almost inarguably "confessional." Does her recognition of her own misery and "doormat" status negate the value of her work? I personally don't think so- her work is art of the highest order. There are certain readers of both genders in the world who like crap. I don't want to read about someone's Bad Mommy anxiety in the newspaper, but I also don't want to read Brigette Jones' Diary...
Confessional journalism certainly isn't great for women. I think Fortini isn't quite right when she makes it seem that these pieces are individual women making individual choices (see: I say, if some women want to write about their miseries, let them.). Not to harp on about coercion too much, but there is definitely a financial incentive to exploit one's own miseries in public. Self-flagellation for being a bad mommy (for instance) doesn't make other readers feel like it's OK to care about themselves more than their children (for instance), it reinforces the idea that there is a "good mommy" and the idea that "bad mommy"ness is a sin that must be atoned for. Editors know this sort of thing sells, so they offer a high price for it.
Also, I think poetry and novels and memoirs are meaningfully different from the sort of thing that appears in the Daily Mail. I'm not sure it's fair to lump poetry in with confessional journalism.
Well, does all female-oriented journalism have to meet some sort of standard of seriousness and self-betterment, and/or Expressly For The Betterment Of Some Sort Of Cause?
I mean, off the top of my head, I can think of a lot of "confessional" type pieces that weren't meant to be particularly incisive, or artistic, or even, I dunno, "serious." Like Moe's tampon piece.
At the same time, there's a difference between that sort of writing, and the "OMG BAW POOR ME" stuff that seems to be the filling in the shit sandwich that is the Daily Mail. All, "I USED LIP GLOSS AND IT WENT ALL WRONG! A heartbreaking expose of one woman's torment!" and "MY LACOSTE POLO LEFT ME FOR A MORE PRETENTIOUS PREPPY! A story of my sadness and VERY VERY SERIOUS NAVEL-GAZING!!!11"
@tscheese: Oops, I forgot to add - I was gonna say, Moe's tampon piece was obviously a little bit self-effacing, and it was definitely about something uncomfortable and a bit scary, but it was good journalism because it was absolutely DEAD-ON for her targeted audience, it was informative, and a lot of people could relate to it. A little sensational? Well, sure, it was definitely squicky, but sensational doesn't HAVE to mean "exploitative", right?
@tscheese: When I get hand-wringy about this kind of thing, it's because I don't think the forum is appropriate. I don't especially like the existence of the Modern Love column in the NYT, for example, because of my antiquated and unrealistic notions of the way print media Used To Be, in some era (which I realize is almost entirely a figment of my nostalgic imagination) when confessional journalism wasn't mixed up in the same publications as Real News. The conflation of blogging with "serious journalism" leads to this sort of thing. Of course, I'm well aware that overshares have always been a part of newspaper journalism. I just wish it wasn't this way, because I like to compartmentalize my life as much as possible.
I suppose that's why it doesn't bother me on jezebel (Moe's tampon piece is a great example); jezebel is "Celebrity, Sex, Fashion for Women." It's not the new york times. I like it this way.
I don't think it's valid to call Plath a "confessional" poet.
We think of her as one of those because most of her work has been viewed by critics and readers through the lens of her biography. We can't say that that's what she intended to happen.
No one can be "forced" into recovery. No one can recover without a total change in their life style, coping habits, general habits or social circle. No one goes to treatment and "is cured" or gets better.
Sobriety and recovery are life long battles.
I think Wonderland should be ashamed of themselves. What they tout is basically like those "I lost 100 lbs and didn't exercise and I ate chocolate and pizza 3 times a day!"
ummm, not that i don't care about lindsay's struggles and all, but how come we've barely guessed at the blind items? #1 is defo courtney love, but what about the second?
Also, and I swear I will stop bringing up Marian Keyes on this thread, but in her latest book (This Charming Man) it is so clear how easy it could be for others to shut someone away in rehab if a place weren't reputable, before the person is ready to admit they have a problem.
It's what we hear so often that it's become a joke: The first step is copping to an addiction. So if some lame rehab were willing to take any celebrity, not just Linds, and say, "Well, she's not saying she has a problem, but hey, we'll take her money anyway" then they are just as complicit in the problem.
I am not sure Lindsay ever realized and admitted there was a problem, is what I am saying. And while she may be clean now, I think it may be due more to Samantha Ronson than to Wonderfuck or whatever that place is called.
Rehab is about the seeds of recovery being planted. It is supposed to lay a foundation for that person to foster. It's for people that are fighting themselves every day to stay alive.
This guy's not doing any of us in recovery (or those who are thinking of recovery) who take it seriously any favors by publicizing/trivializing his clientele.
@Devonna: Exactly- rehab isn't the end, it's merely the means, the beginning, the way to sobriety. For the most part, the biggest difficulty lies not in getting clean, but staying clean. Just ask smokers-- lots of folks quit, but they start up again, either due to desire, stress, or habit.
A certain amount of people are going to be recidivist, that's just the way it is. But for the folks who stay strong, and learn to deal with their addiction, the need for support is vital. And your support network shouldn't be broadcasting your troubles, especially in light of someone who may backslide.
I know if I fail and start using and drinking again, that my self-doubt and fatalistic inner voice will kick in, as they are aspects of my addiction. If my efforts and failures were splashed across the internet and tv, it would only push me further into the dissociative alienation that feeds my problem.
This guy is an opportunist. I wish Lindsay much strength and love in her recovery.
Rachel's Holiday by Marian Keyes made me think entirely differently about rehab. And I really want anybody who struggles with addiction to go to the one she went to, in the-middle-of-nowhere, Ireland!
I've been sober for 6 years and didn't go to rehab, just started going to 12-step meetings. Because I wanted it. I agree with most of the posts on here that it depends on the individual to get sober. My only exception is pple think that rehab doesn't work. I know a lot of pple (not talking about celebs here) who were forced to go to rehab and found sobriety there. And for many, it's necessary to be medically supervised while de-toxing. The REASON pple think that rehab doesn't work is because of men like this dude who don't honor anonymity, as well as artists, celebs who don't honor that. There are reasons the founders of 12 step program made it essential that recovery is private. If you go around blabbing about it, and you initially fail...that's just going to cause yet one more addict to think it's bunk.
I know this post is not meant to be funny, and this Howard Samuels sounds like a total creep, but allow me to say that the tag on this post made me crack up.
I know someone who went to hundreds of rehabs. Finally, at some point it clicked for him, and he stopped.
I seem to remember pictures of Lindsay being taken, out in the world, while she was in rehab. That's just bullshit. Someone serious about recovery would be in a place where there were no paps, and no one knew about it.
Rehab doesn't always work. I went to rehab at 24. I got clean/sober at 34, without rehab. I knew - knew without a doubt, on the day I stopped at 34, that I was going to die if I kept going. That was enough for me to change my behavior. I hope that Lindsay will have that awakening moment, but it's going to require almost an entire life change for her.
07/06/09
In my opinion, the issue isn't with women being confessional. It's with the 4th estate breaking down the 4th wall. Columns are generally a place for reporters and editors to exercise some more literary writing, to reflect on some personal experience...but when does it become "I'm a name you know, so let me tell you more about myself, and let this inform you every time you see my byline"?
As a journalist, I'd have a problem with trying to maintain an appropriate professional "distance" between my work and my personal self, if the personal side is so viscerally exposed in the professional realm, in the same spot. Now if one retired or quit the job, and then wrote a book, that'd be a different story.
07/06/09
07/06/09
07/06/09
Also, I think poetry and novels and memoirs are meaningfully different from the sort of thing that appears in the Daily Mail. I'm not sure it's fair to lump poetry in with confessional journalism.
07/06/09
*tap tap*
Editors' demands? Deja vu?
More female-on-female snarking, as opposed to possibly confronting what the real problem(s) might be?
And having been possibly pressured by your own editor to feed the argument, for pageviews?
Or having come up with that bright idea yourself?
*headdesk*
07/06/09
I mean, off the top of my head, I can think of a lot of "confessional" type pieces that weren't meant to be particularly incisive, or artistic, or even, I dunno, "serious." Like Moe's tampon piece.
At the same time, there's a difference between that sort of writing, and the "OMG BAW POOR ME" stuff that seems to be the filling in the shit sandwich that is the Daily Mail. All, "I USED LIP GLOSS AND IT WENT ALL WRONG! A heartbreaking expose of one woman's torment!" and "MY LACOSTE POLO LEFT ME FOR A MORE PRETENTIOUS PREPPY! A story of my sadness and VERY VERY SERIOUS NAVEL-GAZING!!!11"
07/06/09
07/06/09
I suppose that's why it doesn't bother me on jezebel (Moe's tampon piece is a great example); jezebel is "Celebrity, Sex, Fashion for Women." It's not the new york times. I like it this way.
07/06/09
We think of her as one of those because most of her work has been viewed by critics and readers through the lens of her biography. We can't say that that's what she intended to happen.
11/25/08
No one can be "forced" into recovery.
No one can recover without a total change in their life style, coping habits, general habits or social circle.
No one goes to treatment and "is cured" or gets better.
Sobriety and recovery are life long battles.
I think Wonderland should be ashamed of themselves. What they tout is basically like those "I lost 100 lbs and didn't exercise and I ate chocolate and pizza 3 times a day!"
If it sounds to good to be true, it is.
11/24/08
11/24/08
It's what we hear so often that it's become a joke: The first step is copping to an addiction. So if some lame rehab were willing to take any celebrity, not just Linds, and say, "Well, she's not saying she has a problem, but hey, we'll take her money anyway" then they are just as complicit in the problem.
I am not sure Lindsay ever realized and admitted there was a problem, is what I am saying. And while she may be clean now, I think it may be due more to Samantha Ronson than to Wonderfuck or whatever that place is called.
11/24/08
This guy's not doing any of us in recovery (or those who are thinking of recovery) who take it seriously any favors by publicizing/trivializing his clientele.
11/24/08
A certain amount of people are going to be recidivist, that's just the way it is. But for the folks who stay strong, and learn to deal with their addiction, the need for support is vital. And your support network shouldn't be broadcasting your troubles, especially in light of someone who may backslide.
I know if I fail and start using and drinking again, that my self-doubt and fatalistic inner voice will kick in, as they are aspects of my addiction. If my efforts and failures were splashed across the internet and tv, it would only push me further into the dissociative alienation that feeds my problem.
This guy is an opportunist. I wish Lindsay much strength and love in her recovery.
11/24/08
11/24/08
I agree with most of the posts on here that it depends on the individual to get sober.
My only exception is pple think that rehab doesn't work. I know a lot of pple (not talking about celebs here) who were forced to go to rehab and found sobriety there. And for many, it's necessary to be medically supervised while de-toxing. The REASON pple think that rehab doesn't work is because of men like this dude who don't honor anonymity, as well as artists, celebs who don't honor that. There are reasons the founders of 12 step program made it essential that recovery is private. If you go around blabbing about it, and you initially fail...that's just going to cause yet one more addict to think it's bunk.
11/25/08
11/24/08
11/24/08
I seem to remember pictures of Lindsay being taken, out in the world, while she was in rehab. That's just bullshit. Someone serious about recovery would be in a place where there were no paps, and no one knew about it.
Rehab doesn't always work. I went to rehab at 24. I got clean/sober at 34, without rehab. I knew - knew without a doubt, on the day I stopped at 34, that I was going to die if I kept going. That was enough for me to change my behavior. I hope that Lindsay will have that awakening moment, but it's going to require almost an entire life change for her.