@la.donna.pietra: I know everyone bugged out when she tore up the photo of the Pope in protest over this stuff but she was just ahead of her time, is all.
I apologize if this seems naive, but the last time I heard "guido" outside of Jersey Shore, someone was proudly declaring themselves thus.
Therefore, I thought guido was roughly the equivalent of, say, "mick"- once used as an insult, but has lost its sting and is now just outdated. Is this not the case?
"I never really thought of Susie Salmon as someone who was dead... Although her body is dead, her soul is still there. That's what makes Susie who she is and that's what I love about her."
I don't know why, but I find something about this comment HILARIOUS. Like, obviously her soul is still there, she's an angel, right? I feel like it's like saying, "The sky is blue. That's what makes the sky what it is and that's what I love about it."
I'm surprised that Church scandal is buried in Dirt Bag. I'm with Sinead all the way. Nothing against Catholic layfolks, but the church is a child rape institution. They have no credibility to whine about movies and jewelled crosses.
@Hana Maru, used up old slutbag on the pole: Or Harry Potter. That was the one that really set me off. It was a few years back, but I remember hearing a story on NPR about how Pope Benedict made a statement about how it could have an evil effect on children readers, or some such nonsense, and I nearly passed out from a rage stroke. Of all the countless problems in this sad world, and THIS is what you choose to focus on? Unbelievable.
@jcb820: @sybann: They do it everywhere. My mom grew up Catholic in India and when she was growing up, all the mothers warned their children to not be alone with certain priests.
@sybann: when I was a kid in Catholic school, the priests came once a month to give us confession. When we got a new priest in 7th grade, my home room teacher started scheduling quizzes or group presentations on that day, so our classroom was always skipped. I didn't realize until my 30's that she was trying to keep us from going to confession with him.
@south2nd: Bless her to pieces - we're none of us immune - my mother refused to leave us alone with my paternal great grandfather - based totally on a hinky feeling she got from him. She found out later from my Dad's mom that he wasn't entirely trustworthy around women and girls.
She told a story about running around a dining table to stay away from his hands.
@Hana Maru, used up old slutbag on the pole: I'm trying not to read too much into it. Kids do like playing "doctor" and stuff like that without really knowing what they're doing. I think he was just trying to recount an embarrassing childhood anecdote that would also support his rap star/playa image.
@Hana Maru, used up old slutbag on the pole: I think your Spidey-senses are good, however I think it was the little girl he was with who'd been molested. Once that happens to a child they try to do it to other children, and she was older than him.
Poor babies, having their innocence taken from them.
@pestified wants-a-Bush-tribunal: Whoa whoa dr. jump-to-conclusions, slow down. sexual curiosity =/= victim of molestation. you have absolutely no clue whether he or she had any history of sexual abuse and it is really big stretch to assume that childhood sex games are automatically indicative of abuse. we live in a sexually saturated culture and children are curious by nature. it is just as plausible that this was a harmless childhood experiment. maybe there was something nefarious, maybe not. but you do not have any sort of evidence to back up such serious a claim.
@Helen Valentine: There's actually child on child sex abuse and then childhood sexual experimentation. This doesn't really have to do with anything but both parties were out of the typical age range for childhood sexual experimentation.
@KATE!: "playing" sex or sexual curiosity is a normal part of childhood sexual development. The thing that confuses/worries me is that both parties were older then the age when this happens. Of course, I don't know the full story here so I can't really say anything else.
@MargaretMoony: i think that one of the reasons that children are believe to "grow out" of sex play or that sex play is associated with younger children is because they quickly learn (via the reaction of their parents/schoolteachers to such play) that society generally frowns on such displays and that sex is a taboo or for "adults" only. as we become a more sexually liberated culture and have more avenues in which sex is discussed and visible those taboos erode. it seems logical then that prepubescent children may feel less ashamed of their sexual curiosity and exhibit more traditionally "adult" behavior. many social theorists contend that "childhood" as we understand is more dependent on social construction than biological development.
a lot of our notions about modern childhood date back to the victorian era and are in desperate need of an update.
i, for one, remember deciding in 5th grade that i was ready to become sexually active and was very excited to get to middle school--which i imagined/fantasized was just an orgy of hedonistic pre-adolescence. that would have put me around 9/10 when i decided i wanted to start experimenting. but because i was abnormally shy, chunky, and bespectacled, it would be a few more years until i actually had any real opportunities. but the desire and willingness was still there. and i was not abused as a child.
@KATE!: Thank you! Everyone's so quick to categorize this as evidence of abuse of some sort. Is it not at all possible that kids could play sexually and not have it all be a sign of something insidious and damaging? Is it not possible that kids are just being kids?
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I haven't watched Jersey Shore, but when I read that quote from Snookie, I actually HEARD it in a South Jersey "guidette" accent. So hilarious. I can't decide if I want to watch the show or not. Part of me thinks its going to be a hilarious trainwreck, and part of me gets really annoyed with the fact that people think its an appropriate way to act.
It also annoys me when people explain their behavior by saying "I'm Italian..."
@riverox: She didn't. Nor did she say where she's from. Maybe I was putting words in her mouth, I was just saying that reading her quote, I heard it in a Jersey accent because I've been to Belmar so many times and so many people talk like that.
Hey, let's not knock the prom purse. Until every formal dress comes with deep, sturdy pockets, the cheap among us will grab the first thing that qualifies as a "formal clutch" that she sees. Because she hates purses.And her feckin' dress doesn't have pockets. But she's not bitter.
Holy shit is Alyssa Milano gorgeous. When I was a little kid I always wanted to look like that, in a dress that red. Like the Wayne's girlfriend at the end of Wayne's World, that color red dress. But if you're blonde and pasty that color just doesn't look as pop-y. So sad for my life. Good thing nobody invites me to benefits. Or movie premieres.
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Therefore, I thought guido was roughly the equivalent of, say, "mick"- once used as an insult, but has lost its sting and is now just outdated. Is this not the case?
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I don't know why, but I find something about this comment HILARIOUS. Like, obviously her soul is still there, she's an angel, right? I feel like it's like saying, "The sky is blue. That's what makes the sky what it is and that's what I love about it."
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She told a story about running around a dining table to stay away from his hands.
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Poor babies, having their innocence taken from them.
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a lot of our notions about modern childhood date back to the victorian era and are in desperate need of an update.
i, for one, remember deciding in 5th grade that i was ready to become sexually active and was very excited to get to middle school--which i imagined/fantasized was just an orgy of hedonistic pre-adolescence. that would have put me around 9/10 when i decided i wanted to start experimenting. but because i was abnormally shy, chunky, and bespectacled, it would be a few more years until i actually had any real opportunities. but the desire and willingness was still there. and i was not abused as a child.
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It makes infidelity so much worse when they expose their wives to diseases, like Eliot Spitzer.
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It also annoys me when people explain their behavior by saying "I'm Italian..."
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