Haha, I was just watching this. "Oh, look, V is on, they're re-making that... maybe I should watch the original... oh god, what... WTF lizard-baby??" #vtheseries
This is the original V, right?
I mean, sure, this scene looks creepy and weird out of context, but if you'd seen the original, then...yeah, it really was gross. #vtheseries
@BuffySummers: The baby takes after its parents! Cute! They're aliens, or "visitors" themselves (but they've got their skin on, so you can't tell). #vtheseries
@heykoukla: Okay, gonna fly my total geek flag now, but at least I am wearing my Manolos and they ground me, so here goes: Freddy Krueger there was playing Willy, a really sweet alien defector. He was helping this teen girl, Robin, give birth after she had hot, fun alien nookie with this other alien. The egg was so ginormous because she had twins.
I swear, this should have been posted on io9...hope that helps!
@maria_hecht002: Actually, no. This isn't Elizabeth's birth scene--that happened in "V: The Final Battle", and no egg was involved (video posted upthread). This is from V:The TV Series,and the two parents are both Visitors from the Fifth Column splinter group. #vtheseries
@FroderickFronkensteen: "When I expel 30 pound eggs from my cooter, I need a pain reliever that works fast. That's why I choose Advil. Advil: The Every Pain Reliever"#vtheseries
So...if you're going to give birth to such a large egg, maybe you should do it when it's really small, and then keep it warm like a penguin does. Because that's an awfully large object to move down the vaginal canal. #vtheseries
Dammit, I do NOT need to be spending money on a box set of X-Files DVDs, but you all are making me miss that show, and realize there are plenty of episodes I barely remember that might make it worthwhile. Oooh, maybe it's available on NetFlix Instant Watch? **runs off to check**
Dudes, I'm an astronomer, and I am totally with Carl Sagan on this one. Like he discusses in "The Varieties of Scientific Experience," it's very telling that despite thousands of alien encounters, there hasn't been a single piece of reliable evidence. He said, and I also believe, that just when you most want to believe something, when it's the most compelling and exciting, that's also when you must be most strict about requiring evidence.
That said: now that Kepler's been launched, we'll be finding potentially habitable planets by the dozens, and able to see whether they have biomarkers in their atmospheres within a decade. That's the kind of thing to get legitimately excited about!
@daisen-in: it's very telling that despite thousands of alien encounters, there hasn't been a single piece of reliable evidence.
first, we need to differentiate between: 1) extraterrestrial life; 2) intelligent extraterrestrial life; and 3) extraterrestrial visitation to earth. kepler is only dealing with 1) extraterrestrial life, life that may or may not be intelligent. it will also be limited in scope thus likely won't answer the question of visitation or e.t. intelligence either way .
second,as the saying goes, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, though as dr sagan notes, it is strongly suggestive. it should also be pointed out that stories of alien visitation to earth could also be something similarly mindblowing, yet not an example of extraterrestrial visitation (time travel, extra-dimensional, whatever). and also, just because we haven't thought of a rational explanation and a wayto test for it doesn't mean that an explanation doesn't exist, it just may be that explanation may not be part of our current worldview; off the radar, so to speak, just as atoms and quarks and dark matter and...radar.....were off the radar just a few hundred years ago, a blink of an eye in evolutionary or geological or astronomical terms. and last, it is also true that only ONE story of extraterrestrial visitation needs to be true to make the phenomena of extraterrestrial visitation to earth true.
and yes, it could also be wishful thinking, natural phenomena, genuine ignorance, mistaken conjecture, mental illness, hoaxes, or really bad drug experiences. in. every. single. case.
i have no opinion either way on the matter, i just like being an argumentative bish.
True enough that the scope of Kepler is limited. It alone is also incapable of finding biomarkers- it's only capability is the detection of rocky planets in the so-called habitable zone (where liquid water, if present, could exist). You'd need follow-up from a next generation instrument like the James Webb Space Telescope to detect something like carbon dioxide in the atmosphere of that exoplanet (but finding them is always the first challenge). It's true that we don't have the capability yet to say whether biomarkers actually mean life exists, and if it does, if that life is intelligent.
The reason I brought up Kepler wasn't because it can confirm or disconfirm any alleged extraterrestrial here on Earth, but rather as a example in this discussion of what science looks like. Plenty of folks (here in this thread and elsewhere, of course) make claims about the existence of extraterrestrial life, but reliable evidence is not forthcoming for those claims (not a single piece, as Sagan said, which is probably telling). The science that will be accomplished with Kepler might sound limited in scope, but it will be solid stuff- testable, peer-reviewed, capable of follow-up investigation. That's why I think it's worth getting excited about.
And sure, alien visitations to Earth could happen through some extra dimension that we're not sensitive to. Maybe the aliens are only visible in the ultraviolet, so bees can see them, but humans can't! There are an absolute ton of ways to imagine that we're not sensitive to extraterrestrial encounters. But that's no reason to just abandon the requirement for evidence. To the contrary, like many of the examples you gave- dark matter, for one, we inferred its existence precisely because we refused to abandon our ideas about what gravity should do. A complete lack of evidence doesn't mean that extraterrestrials haven't visited earth, you're right. But I wanted to add Kepler to the discussion to give a flavor of how profoundly satisfying it can be to have some other argument for extraterrestrial life that's a declaration, not a double negative like "you can't tell me it DIDN'T happen." Surely folks must get tired of making that argument, and long for evidence that people can't dismiss.
Am I the only one who thinks that people who steadfastly assert that there is no life outside of earth are incredibly arrogant to believe that in the infinite universe(s) life only occurs on earth?
@keep-the-bling-away-from-the-babies: I don't know any scientists who steadfastly assert that there's no life other than that one Earth- in fact, I think most scientists believe it's highly likely. What's commonly in dispute is the assertion that intelligent life has visited Earth.
@keep-the-bling-away-from-the-babies: Oh gosh, that's a different sort of consideration altogether! If folks believe that evolution is a crock, then I sure understand why they wouldn't believe that it's a mechanism that could work and produce life elsewhere. It is very short-sighted; I agree.
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I mean, sure, this scene looks creepy and weird out of context, but if you'd seen the original, then...yeah, it really was gross. #vtheseries
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it's the only explanation i can come up with for the existence of bai ling.
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That said: now that Kepler's been launched, we'll be finding potentially habitable planets by the dozens, and able to see whether they have biomarkers in their atmospheres within a decade. That's the kind of thing to get legitimately excited about!
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first, we need to differentiate between: 1) extraterrestrial life; 2) intelligent extraterrestrial life; and 3) extraterrestrial visitation to earth. kepler is only dealing with 1) extraterrestrial life, life that may or may not be intelligent. it will also be limited in scope thus likely won't answer the question of visitation or e.t. intelligence either way .
second,as the saying goes, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, though as dr sagan notes, it is strongly suggestive. it should also be pointed out that stories of alien visitation to earth could also be something similarly mindblowing, yet not an example of extraterrestrial visitation (time travel, extra-dimensional, whatever). and also, just because we haven't thought of a rational explanation and a wayto test for it doesn't mean that an explanation doesn't exist, it just may be that explanation may not be part of our current worldview; off the radar, so to speak, just as atoms and quarks and dark matter and...radar.....were off the radar just a few hundred years ago, a blink of an eye in evolutionary or geological or astronomical terms. and last, it is also true that only ONE story of extraterrestrial visitation needs to be true to make the phenomena of extraterrestrial visitation to earth true.
and yes, it could also be wishful thinking, natural phenomena, genuine ignorance, mistaken conjecture, mental illness, hoaxes, or really bad drug experiences. in. every. single. case.
i have no opinion either way on the matter, i just like being an argumentative bish.
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True enough that the scope of Kepler is limited. It alone is also incapable of finding biomarkers- it's only capability is the detection of rocky planets in the so-called habitable zone (where liquid water, if present, could exist). You'd need follow-up from a next generation instrument like the James Webb Space Telescope to detect something like carbon dioxide in the atmosphere of that exoplanet (but finding them is always the first challenge). It's true that we don't have the capability yet to say whether biomarkers actually mean life exists, and if it does, if that life is intelligent.
The reason I brought up Kepler wasn't because it can confirm or disconfirm any alleged extraterrestrial here on Earth, but rather as a example in this discussion of what science looks like. Plenty of folks (here in this thread and elsewhere, of course) make claims about the existence of extraterrestrial life, but reliable evidence is not forthcoming for those claims (not a single piece, as Sagan said, which is probably telling). The science that will be accomplished with Kepler might sound limited in scope, but it will be solid stuff- testable, peer-reviewed, capable of follow-up investigation. That's why I think it's worth getting excited about.
And sure, alien visitations to Earth could happen through some extra dimension that we're not sensitive to. Maybe the aliens are only visible in the ultraviolet, so bees can see them, but humans can't! There are an absolute ton of ways to imagine that we're not sensitive to extraterrestrial encounters. But that's no reason to just abandon the requirement for evidence. To the contrary, like many of the examples you gave- dark matter, for one, we inferred its existence precisely because we refused to abandon our ideas about what gravity should do. A complete lack of evidence doesn't mean that extraterrestrials haven't visited earth, you're right. But I wanted to add Kepler to the discussion to give a flavor of how profoundly satisfying it can be to have some other argument for extraterrestrial life that's a declaration, not a double negative like "you can't tell me it DIDN'T happen." Surely folks must get tired of making that argument, and long for evidence that people can't dismiss.
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I'm mainly talking about people who've encountered. I live in Alabama, so if it isn't in the Bible, it doesn't exist.
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