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    Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
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    Image of Hana Maru Hana Maru
    06/02/09

    In reply to Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
    Duh, male valedictorians realistically expect that they will have the unpaid support staff(wife) to raise their children, keep their house, and quit their jobs to move for their husband's career, if needed. Female valedictorians also realistically know what guys expect of them.
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    Image of ellaesther ellaesther
    06/02/09

    In reply to Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
    Oh, and again, though I agree with Ms. Couric to the extent that in my life raising kids has proven to be the bombity-bomb, I want to say to all the Jezebelles and Jezedudes who are and will be remaining childfree? When people give you shit, send them to me. I will tell them to STFU for you! For verily, they should STFU.


    It's a little service I provide.

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    Image of deeemer deeemer
    06/02/09

    In reply to Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
    Hey, maybe the achievement gap between men and women could be narrowed by not firing women with children? Or not refusing to hire them when they're pregnant? And maybe more women would apply to get their Ph.D's if they thought they could actually get a job in academia once they'd finished.
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    Image of ellaesther ellaesther
    06/02/09

    @deeemer: Oh, you and your common sense. Go on with ya!
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    Image of emilyanne emilyanne
    06/02/09

    @deeemer: ha don't be ridiculous, you're advocating real change what do you think you're playing at? In other words you are right but the world is sadly wrong.
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    Image of Flackette Goes Retro Flackette Goes Retro
    06/02/09

    In reply to Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
    I totally believe that 18 year old girls are already worried about work/life balance. When I was in college, people (advisors, internship employers) were already advising me on careers that would be "good for women" since they would allow freelancing, working from home or dropping out for a few years to have kids. Young men are never given this advice. You can't advise girls from the start to plan their lives around family, then be surprised when they set up goals that do just that. Oh and by the way? I probably won't have children, for many reasons. So that planning totally doesn't apply to everyone.
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    06/02/09

    In reply to Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
    In my life, for me, nothing is more rewarding, challenging or important than motherhood -- but damn, I sure wish a man would stand up some day and say the same thing about fatherhood.


    Well, at least I married a guy who knows it. Go, my guy!

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    Image of deeemer deeemer
    06/02/09

    @ellaesther: Totally! I don't mind the statement - everybody is allowed to have their own priorities, but i mind that it's exclusively the domain of women to enjoy family life.
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    06/02/09

    @deeemer: the thing is i mind it at a university graduation. i probably shouldn't but for as long as society doesn't tell young men the same thing then I do have a problem with it being part of a graduation address, regardless of priorities. Society already tells young women that motherhood is all important, i see no reason to keep reinforcing the message endlessly.


    It's not that i don't find motherhood all those things, I do, it's that I truly believe that a graduation address should be used to reinforce the stereotype.

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    Image of MilointheMeadow MilointheMeadow
    06/02/09

    In reply to Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
    I love Vanguard Journalism on Current, so I'm kinda freaked out that two of their correspondents are being held in North Korea. I can't believe it's not getting more press and I'm really worried about them!!
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    Image of KiddyKat KiddyKat
    06/02/09

    @MilointheMeadow doesn't have a star and is totally okay wit...: Yeah, I feel like Current dropped the ball on this one. These are their reporters, if anybody should be making a huge deal out of this, it's them.
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    Image of MilointheMeadow MilointheMeadow
    06/02/09

    @KiddyKat: I know!! Then again, there's probably not much access to information about them, but still - a "Days in North Korea" counter, or something!
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    Image of LaComtesse LaComtesse
    06/02/09

    In reply to Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
    I don't know if the whole HPV vaccine/guys don't care about women's health is fair. How many of us get an HPV vaccine out of concern for our dudes? That wouldn't be why I'd get one: it doesn't mean I don't care about men's health.
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    Image of blueberrypancake blueberrypancake
    06/02/09

    @LaComtesse: Yeah, I agree. I'd get a shot to protect my husband's health, but I'm not signing up for a shot to protect any future sex partners if it didn't benefit me at all. Sorry, I'm just not that altruistic.
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    06/02/09

    @blueberrypancake: @LaComtesse: Right. I think there's a difference between protecting a loved one in particular, and the desire to protect a bunch of nameless men you may do it to in the future.
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    06/02/09

    In reply to Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
    Damn it! At first glance, I still see "Kate" and that haircut and think it's . . . the other Kate.
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    Image of sciencerules sciencerules
    06/02/09

    In reply to Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
    Mom? Did you give a speech at Princeton?
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    Image of BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit)
    06/02/09

    In reply to Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
    Today was depressing, but soon we will have cake in an awkward real-life tribute to "Office Space", so I guess that's... um... er... ugh.
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    Image of Theacracy Theacracy
    06/02/09

    In reply to Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
    I hear what Katie Couric is saying and it's not easy to get this message across without sounding like a middle-aged hag. I've tried to explain this to some younger women that I know and it never comes out right... maybe it's just one of those lessons that you have to learn. Nothing in life is for sure - people change, die, disappoint, whatever. All I know is that even though I was a radical feminist in my twenties I knew nothing about how to really protect myself in personal relationships and in life until much later in life. Not everywoman is as slow as I am, or as naive, I'm sure.
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    Image of greengrey greengrey
    06/02/09

    @Theacracy: As one of those "younger women" I can never get this message across to other younger women without sounding bitter. Some women need to fall on their asses before they get it. The bottom isn't always the best place to wake up, but so long as they wake up, it's good.
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    Image of keldo keldo
    06/02/09

    @Theacracy: I was going to say pretty much the same thing. Once you hit your 40's you are so different than you were in your 20's. Naturally. And hindsight and experience are irreplacable. However you can't really tell a younger person what will matter to them in a decade or so.


    I get where she's going but it's a bit subjective.

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    Image of MilointheMeadow MilointheMeadow
    06/02/09

    @greengrey: Well, I mean OBVIOUSLY Kate Couric is just SO BITTER because she doesn't have children, right? (commence eye rolling)
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    Image of Flackette Goes Retro Flackette Goes Retro
    06/02/09

    @Theacracy: My mom left her career to stay home with us. I appreciate it, but now in her 50s she's pretty panicked about not having many assets in her own name. She's completely dependent on my dad's salary, retirement and health care benefits. Fortunately he is healthy and they have been together a long time, but when/if something happens to him (hopefully long from now) her income from his retirement will be instantly cut in half. She has emphasized to me the importance of building my own financial security.
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    Image of maneki neko maneki neko
    06/02/09

    In reply to Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
    Knowing how differently we encourage women and men to think about their careers the gap for female valedictorians isn't surprising.


    I didn't see it replicated in my own experiences, though. Both the valedictorian and the salutatorian of my public high school were women and crazy driven. I believe they're both going in science-y career directions. (But then again, on a 4.0 scale my GPA was around 4.2 and I only cracked the top ten in my class, so maybe 'crazy' is the key word here.)

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    Image of Flackette Goes Retro Flackette Goes Retro
    06/02/09

    @maneki neko: I was that crazy-driven valedictorian, but I was still constantly advised to think about marriage and family when considering my career goals, with the assumption that I would take time off at some point.
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    Image of inabook inabook
    06/02/09

    @maneki neko: When I graduated, I was a crazy-driven valedictorian who was going to be a doctor. Now I'm a lax law student who wants work-life balance and looks forward to getting married, having a house and pets, and having kids, and who hopes we have enough money i can stay home with the kids for a few years.


    *shrugs*

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    Image of porto-hottie porto-hottie
    06/02/09

    In reply to Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
    I am planning on turning my Peace Corps application in this week, whooo!!!! Wish me luck.
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    Image of maneki neko maneki neko
    06/02/09

    @porto-hottie: That's awesome! Best of luck! Anywhere you're hoping to go?
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    Image of ellaesther ellaesther
    06/02/09

    @porto-hottie: Hey, thanks! And good luck!
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    Image of Penny_Esq Penny_Esq
    06/02/09

    @porto-hottie: Good luck! I have a friend who was in Malawi for two years. She got back a year ago, and now she spends her days looking out for James Franco whilst pursuing a Ph.D at Columbia. I think it was SUPER hard for her, and she was way relieved to be home, but she's also super super grateful to have had that opportunity. She also wishes Madonna would stay the fuck out.
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    Image of LaComtesse LaComtesse
    06/02/09

    In reply to Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
    "Sometimes dreams of domestic bliss are interrupted by reality. People get divorced. People die. You need to protect yourself."


    Hey! Way to steal my WEDDING VOWS, Katie Couric! At least she left out the part where I vowed I would kill and cannibalize my spouse in case we ever got locked in a basement, cuz, survival of the fittest, motherfucker.

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    Image of PreposterousHypothesis PreposterousHypothesis
    06/02/09

    @LaComtesse: My fiance and I work for the same company, and one day on the way to work we debated who would be the food for the other in case of being stranded on a desert island. I get very ragey when hungry.


    We are weird.

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    06/02/09

    @LaComtesse: that made me LOL. Seriously, rice milk almost came out my nose.
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    06/02/09

    @PreposterousHypothesis: I love that kind of weird. My best friend has plans for my funeral saved on his IPhone. That was discussed over dinner.
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    Image of LaComtesse LaComtesse
    06/02/09

    @PreposterousHypothesis: My husband would probably rather be eaten than listen to me bitch about being hungry for more than an hour. I seriously am like an infant: if i don't eat every 2 hours I cry. (Incidentally, we work for the same company, too.)
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    Image of HuckleberryFriend HuckleberryFriend
    06/02/09

    @PreposterousHypothesis: lol the BF and I had a similar conversation about what we would do if one of us was turned into a zombie. It was a surprisingly complicated discussion!
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    Image of MarissaExplainsItAll MarissaExplainsItAll
    06/02/09

    In reply to Katie Prepares Princeton Grads For Harsh Reality • Laura Ling, Euna Lee To Go On Trial Thursday
    Katie really wants to get rid of that cheery image. Well at least it was bitter nihilist instead of gangsta rapper.
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