As a Utahn, I am very conflicted about the Huntsman nom. I'm about a liberal as they come, but he has been GREAT for this state. He's very moderate, reasonable, and logical, and has done more to repeal the regressive and idiotic liquor laws here than anyone ever has. So, I am going to miss him greatly.
On the other hand, I think he'll be an excellent ambassador to China. He speaks fluent Mandarin (because he did his Mormon mission to China) and his children were adopted from China. The family is very tied to the culture already.
I think Megan's hit the nail on the head here with "keep your enemies closer" (or in this case, politically close but geographically in China) because he is EXACTLY the type of Republican that I think the GOP should rally around, and maybe nominate for 2012, if they want any shot of beating Obama. He would get broad independent support for sure.
@gangey: I am so liberal I am beyond liberal, and everything I've read and heard about Huntsman makes me like him quite a bit. It is truly a shrewd move on Obama's part to lock him up in a diplomacy position like that.
Not that I don't think he'll be excellent at that job. He totally will.
(BTW, I'll be hoping you guys don't get some whack-job right-wing extremist as your next gov.)
Is it normal that we are all acquainted with Dick Cheney's whole family and that our tax dollars have paid for incomes for most of them at one time or another? Is there any other political family that thinks it is normal to fucking hire their own children? Is Dick Cheney so small and picked on and victimized that he needs his daughter to go out and protect him from the mean fantasizers? It is so bizarre.
@J.D.Regent: hard to picture Cheney feeling the victim of anything, since he SHOT A MAN IN THE FACE.
I still can't get over that. Especially since the poor shootee ended up apologizing to Cheney! Seriously, Cheney is Emperor Palpatine. He seems to get everyone to do his dirty work.
Someone else shouted as much at Obama during his Notre Dame commencement speech, where all the anti-abortion troops rallied to protest the first pro-choice commencement speaker black President.
So are you implying people were actually protesting out of racism, as opposed to objections to his beliefs on abortion? Because... that's quite an accusation to make and it doesn't seem based on anything real.
@wry_bred: No. The implication was that there had been pro-Choice commencement speakers before President Obama, and strangely, very few people seem to have made a fuss. What made it important for them to come out of the woodwork because of his beliefs?
Wow I didn't realize that ASU decided Obama didn't have a sufficient "body of work" to justify getting an honorary degree. I feel like I am getting a major education as to the kind of bullshit that must go on behind closed doors in racist employment decisions all the time. "Sure, he has two Ivy League degrees, three published books, a professorship, and was elected to the highest office in the land by a majority of Americans. But is he QUALIFIED?" Meanwhile Bush gets his daddy to buy him a spot on a couple of corporate boards, drives the businesses into the ground, and we have an awesome CEO President!
@J.D.Regent: Considering how colleges and universities hand out honorary degrees like candy, it's kind of pointless for ASU to stand up in righteous indignation and shout "What has this man done?"
Because the answer, "He became the first black President in the 200-plus year history of the U.S.," should be sufficient grounds, on its own merit.
@J.D.Regent: I don't know what goes on when they're making decisions about honorary degrees, but one would think that you would definitely want to award them to fabulously popular Presidents under any circumstances. Besides, demanding a "sufficient body of work" is just saying: "this decision will be based purely on prejudice and caprice." This has always bothered me, even outside this context. I've seen plenty of professors who deserve tenure denied it, for instance.
President Obama taught constitutional law at one of the best law schools in the country. That alone should be enough for a "honorary degree" from their school.
The ASU administration is tripping.
I worked on the Ann Richards re-election campaign in '94. I'm don't believe Bush won given his HORRENDOUS business record.
@kithkin: I'm sure such terminology gets abused all the time, but in this context I am genuinely shocked. What the fuck else is a person supposed to do with his or her life in order to "deserve" a fake degree from ASU??? Do they really think he is LESS qualified than the PhD students they graduated this year? It's so disrespectful I can't even fathom it.
@nyc-caribbean-ragazza: I didn't want to be a snob but yeah, the subtext is definitely like, Harvard thought he was good enough to give an ACTUAL degree to, but ASU is more discerning? Riiiight. Call Obama when he doesn't confuse you for an online university.
@J.D.Regent: Jon Stewart said it (he always gets it right!) when he pointed out there was something off when Obama gets into Harvard but gets rejected from a safety school.
Does the slow bubbling of torture leaks and motivations for wars and the Make Cheney Visible Campaign 2009 mean that at some point some senior fuckers are actually going to pay for what they did?
@J.D.Regent: exactly. so the travelling circus and orgy of accusations are just there for the heck of it and because the world really benefits from seeing cheney so much.
look, i know awareness is sometimes its own goal, but i have to wonder what this song and dance is really about. oh, lets distract the debate from things that CAN actually be positively effected.
@whatsergem: however now that I look at your comment I'm not sure I'm quite that cynical about this coverage. Where justice systems fail, media coverage is the only place for accountability, or at least a public record.
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: He has the "I'm about to say something crazy" look before it happens. And he does not disappoint.
This was the most redic race ever. The original GOP nom had to drop out when his divorce papers were unsealed and we found out he dragged his actress wife to swingers parties. Then, the GOP insulted the people of IL and tried the sorriest attempt at splitting the Black vote EVER.
@Sister Toldja: I still find it very strange that Seven of Nine of the Borg is at least somewhat responsible for Obama being president. We live in a weird world.
OK. Tired of the non-story of the "massive protests" or what have you happening at Notre Dame.
THREE people. Three individuals out of 11,000 in the Joyce Center at Notre Dame attempted to disrupt the ceremony. All three were escorted out and drowned out by students cheering in support of the president.
TWENTY PEOPLE. Twenty people out of 2,900 graduates opted to skip the ceremony in favor of attending a prayer service. That's less than 1%.
ONE HUNDRED FIFTY PEOPLE. That's the approximate number of protesters outside of the gates of the school.
The size of this "scandal" and "protest" at Notre Dame has been blown completely out of proportion by a media hungry for a story that illustrates division and discord between the Church and reason. While I won't hesitate to criticize Catholicism and some of it's unsavory actions, Notre Dame is generally a respectful place that encourages dialogue and that overwhelmingly supported Obama in this past election. It's not a school full of wealthy people wheeling around carriages full of bloody baby dolls.
@morninggloria: yes, but as don henley sang, we all know that crap is king. it doesn't matter what the actual truth is...it's all about what is reported, not what actually happened. what actually happened is far more boring than reporting the 3 people that became a mob, or something like that.
@morninggloria: I think the most interesting part of all of this "protest" nonsense is that many of those protesting AREN'T CATHOLIC.
Catholics and Evangelican turd nodules DO NOT have a lot in common. I know. As a lapsed Catholic myself, I remember, all too well, what the "Christians" thought of me and our religious practices.
@graciousplum: Journalists are super excited that there's finally a news item that they actually understand/can explain. Because most journalists are completely lost when it comes to the economy and sort of talk in vague generalities rather than accessible specifics.
People getting mad and interrupting things, protesters and peoule shouting MURDERRRR!!!! in the streets with megaphones and attempting to lump all Catholics together into one crazy family of crazy-- now that's something that journalists/the media can understand/sensationalize/repackage/spin.
@rosasparks looks like a Fraggle: really??? I would love a link about that. i've been seeing a LOT of nonsense about it on annoying conservative Catholic blogs I read just to make sure my blood pressure doesn't get too low.
@J.D.Regent: Conservative Catholics do not come to Notre Dame in large numbers because 1- they are mostly dumb and couldn't get in anyway and 2- Notre Dame is too liberal for them. "Those" Catholics attend Ave Maria University in Florida.
@mrs_weasley: First of all, I said nothing of the sort. I implied that the not-affiliated-with-Notre Dame protesters outside of the gates of the University were trying to get their point across in a manner that is not effective, annoying, off putting, and dumb. A "smart" approach was the approach taken by dissenters within the community-- thoughtful dialogue, having a prayer service as an alternative to the commencement. Was every single conservative in the world standing along Angela Avenue screaming and holding pictures of bloody fetuses while graduates were celebrating their academic achievements? No? Then I wasn't calling them dumb.
If Cheney infuriates enough people, they can just blame it on the evil, electric-ticker dude, than on any of the current turds they're poorly prepping for the next election.
@rosasparks looks like a Fraggle: It honestly sounds like they might be embarrassed of him, but they really don't have any other ideas right now so they are going with it. Like when we ran John Kerry for president.
@J.D.Regent: You're probably right. Besides, Cheney can't really continue in his torturing and destroying of entire regions of the world, so has nothing better to do.
He's just torturing us, via the press, and reminding us how disgusting he is as a person.
I was watching Newt going off on Nancy Pelosi and had to change the channel. He has a lot of nerve. That he is seriously considering running in 2012 is frightening.
Regarding Alan Keyes, while I didn't love the message of the movie Drop Squad (who gets define who is really "black") I wish there was a Drop Squad and they would pick up Keyes' crazy ass.
Why is nobody from the GOP putting the brakes on Keyes? Do they think it helps them having this black man going after Obama? The problem is anyone with a functioning brain cell know Keyes is not right in the head so I think this hurts the GOP.
@nyc-caribbean-ragazza: Running for...President? Please tell me he has a heart problem like Cheney. These Old Guard assholes just refuse to leave the spotlight, don't they?
@nyc-caribbean-ragazza: My mom and I had a long talk about the Pelosi thing this weekend in the car and both of us couldn't figure out what the big deal was. So she knew about it, well what the hell was she supposed to do? It was supposed to be secret so she wasn't supposed to tell anyone and according to the timeline, at the time she knew, the Dems had little power. Besides, her stomping in and demanding they stop would have done NOTHING.
In reality, and I've heard this elsewhere, the GOP needs to watch how far they take this. It could bite them in the ass big time. If mere knowledge of this is so bad, then what about those who ordered it, condoned it and are still campaigning for it. Aren't they guilty of far worse? Good luck guys, I hope you know what you're doing. Because getting mad at Pelosi for knowledge of torture is basically admitting it's wrong.
@nyc-caribbean-ragazza: Plus, he sort of seems to have a personal vendetta against Obama since Obama beat him so embarrassingly in that Illinois congressional race.
@nyc-caribbean-ragazza: I LOVE Drop Squad!!!!! I think it was less about who is "really" Black and who does not have a healthy relationship with their Negritude (i.e. the guy selling the bad products to Black folks).
@nyc-caribbean-ragazza: Maybe the GOP is using Keyes to keep people inside the Republican Party. "You think we're crazy, do you want to be allied with THIS guy?" Compared to Keyes and his ilk, the GOP almost comes across as the reasonable alternative if you're a conservative wandering in the desert. Almost.
maybe they just let him rant b/c he'll say all the crap about Obama that they're thinking but are afraid to say out loud, lest they get nailed for it. But Keyes is so batshit you could convince him Obama faked the moon landing all by himself and he'd be off to the races.
1. Don't be afraid to bomb the shit out of Iraq. It'll be cool. See? The Bible says so: Rise up; this matter is in your hands. We will support you, so take courage and do it."
Ezra 10:4
2. So what if everyone's pissed about the whole "no WMDs" thing. God says it's totally ok: "The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous run to it and are safe."
Proverbs 18:10
3. So, it's 2005. Iraq is in shambles and we're losing every battle we start. Don't worry, Georgie. Baby Jesus says you're winning, anyway: "Commit to the LORD whatever you do, and your plans will succeed."
@NefariousNewt: Looks like Proverbs was a favorite! It also seems they forgot "Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him."
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On the other hand, I think he'll be an excellent ambassador to China. He speaks fluent Mandarin (because he did his Mormon mission to China) and his children were adopted from China. The family is very tied to the culture already.
I think Megan's hit the nail on the head here with "keep your enemies closer" (or in this case, politically close but geographically in China) because he is EXACTLY the type of Republican that I think the GOP should rally around, and maybe nominate for 2012, if they want any shot of beating Obama. He would get broad independent support for sure.
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Not that I don't think he'll be excellent at that job. He totally will.
(BTW, I'll be hoping you guys don't get some whack-job right-wing extremist as your next gov.)
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I still can't get over that. Especially since the poor shootee ended up apologizing to Cheney! Seriously, Cheney is Emperor Palpatine. He seems to get everyone to do his dirty work.
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So are you implying people were actually protesting out of racism, as opposed to objections to his beliefs on abortion? Because... that's quite an accusation to make and it doesn't seem based on anything real.
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Because the answer, "He became the first black President in the 200-plus year history of the U.S.," should be sufficient grounds, on its own merit.
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Is ASU aware of their reputation?
President Obama taught constitutional law at one of the best law schools in the country. That alone should be enough for a "honorary degree" from their school.
The ASU administration is tripping.
I worked on the Ann Richards re-election campaign in '94. I'm don't believe Bush won given his HORRENDOUS business record.
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White privilege, ftw!
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I'm very doubtful.
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look, i know awareness is sometimes its own goal, but i have to wonder what this song and dance is really about. oh, lets distract the debate from things that CAN actually be positively effected.
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Alan Keyes really brings the crazy in this one.
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This was the most redic race ever. The original GOP nom had to drop out when his divorce papers were unsealed and we found out he dragged his actress wife to swingers parties. Then, the GOP insulted the people of IL and tried the sorriest attempt at splitting the Black vote EVER.
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That said, Donald Rumsfeld's attempt at this just reinforces my belief that his audience had a tough time paying attention.
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THREE people. Three individuals out of 11,000 in the Joyce Center at Notre Dame attempted to disrupt the ceremony. All three were escorted out and drowned out by students cheering in support of the president.
TWENTY PEOPLE. Twenty people out of 2,900 graduates opted to skip the ceremony in favor of attending a prayer service. That's less than 1%.
ONE HUNDRED FIFTY PEOPLE. That's the approximate number of protesters outside of the gates of the school.
The size of this "scandal" and "protest" at Notre Dame has been blown completely out of proportion by a media hungry for a story that illustrates division and discord between the Church and reason. While I won't hesitate to criticize Catholicism and some of it's unsavory actions, Notre Dame is generally a respectful place that encourages dialogue and that overwhelmingly supported Obama in this past election. It's not a school full of wealthy people wheeling around carriages full of bloody baby dolls.
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read also: valentine's day massacre where the killing of seven people becomes a massacre.
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No, that would be Yale Art Department.
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Catholics and Evangelican turd nodules DO NOT have a lot in common. I know. As a lapsed Catholic myself, I remember, all too well, what the "Christians" thought of me and our religious practices.
Whatta bunch of dickheads.
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Yeah, well, that was PERFORMANCE ART!
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People getting mad and interrupting things, protesters and peoule shouting MURDERRRR!!!! in the streets with megaphones and attempting to lump all Catholics together into one crazy family of crazy-- now that's something that journalists/the media can understand/sensationalize/repackage/spin.
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If Cheney infuriates enough people, they can just blame it on the evil, electric-ticker dude, than on any of the current turds they're poorly prepping for the next election.
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He's just torturing us, via the press, and reminding us how disgusting he is as a person.
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Regarding Alan Keyes, while I didn't love the message of the movie Drop Squad (who gets define who is really "black") I wish there was a Drop Squad and they would pick up Keyes' crazy ass.
Why is nobody from the GOP putting the brakes on Keyes? Do they think it helps them having this black man going after Obama? The problem is anyone with a functioning brain cell know Keyes is not right in the head so I think this hurts the GOP.
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In reality, and I've heard this elsewhere, the GOP needs to watch how far they take this. It could bite them in the ass big time. If mere knowledge of this is so bad, then what about those who ordered it, condoned it and are still campaigning for it. Aren't they guilty of far worse? Good luck guys, I hope you know what you're doing. Because getting mad at Pelosi for knowledge of torture is basically admitting it's wrong.
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I'm kind of over the word hateraid but Mr. Keyes is drinking it.
I agree. His issues with Obama seem very personal.
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maybe they just let him rant b/c he'll say all the crap about Obama that they're thinking but are afraid to say out loud, lest they get nailed for it. But Keyes is so batshit you could convince him Obama faked the moon landing all by himself and he'd be off to the races.
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The Political Follies don't even seem to take a break for the weekend.
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1. Don't be afraid to bomb the shit out of Iraq. It'll be cool. See? The Bible says so: Rise up; this matter is in your hands. We will support you, so take courage and do it."
Ezra 10:4
2. So what if everyone's pissed about the whole "no WMDs" thing. God says it's totally ok: "The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous run to it and are safe."
Proverbs 18:10
3. So, it's 2005. Iraq is in shambles and we're losing every battle we start. Don't worry, Georgie. Baby Jesus says you're winning, anyway: "Commit to the LORD whatever you do, and your plans will succeed."
Proverbs 16:3
XOXO,
Rumsey
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Bible, Proverbs 26:12
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"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."
Bible, Matthew 15:14