Jeez. I know the exact route these guys will be taking to Cherry Point, the lines they will stand in, the gear they will account for, shit, even some of the Marines that will load their stuff onto the bird. They'll ride in buses that pass under bridges that have banners posted on them wishing them luck, they'll arrive at Cherry Point, smoke cigarettes, listen to iPods, wait around, watch the flat screens at the APOG, then finally stand in a long line on the flight deck and fly away.
@ihateyourescalade: "I was taking a larger view" and "I'm just spouting things without really thinking them through" are close relatives.
For example, Saddam's Oil for Food program was a notoriously corrupt, fairly efficient way of getting Iraq's oil to the West, and Saddam had proven plenty of willingness to play ball with us in the past. Secular strong-men are convenient like that. If we simply wanted profits from Iraq's oil, which of the following ways strikes you as a better way to get it:
1) Launch an incredibly costly war that will decimate Iraq's infrastructure and cost far, far, far more than any marginal difference in oil profits you'd get by 'cutting out the middle-man'?
2) Strike a deal with Saddam?
Or, hey, how about:
3) Realize that oil is a fungible commodity, and so who pumps it out of the ground usually isn't the real issue. As one secret classified intelligence source They Don't Want You To Know About (Wikipedia) puts it:
"Fungibility is the property of a good or a commodity whose individual units are capable of mutual substitution. Examples of highly fungible commodities are crude oil, wheat, orange juice ... "
Along with your 'wearing your politics on your sleeve' username, this is the sort of unthinking liberalism that gives the rest of us liberals a bad name. It's a homemade Chimpy McBusHitler sign as a substitute for grappling with the actual issues at hand.
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@CrapCommentFromADude: You surely extrapolate a lot from my one sentence. But that's probably because you're so much smarter and more informed than I am. Thanks for your thoughtful and educated reply. You've totally changed my mind!
Off to go change my screenname now to Chimpy McBusHitler. Or maybe FungibleCommodity. That has such a nice ring to it.
@ihateyourescalade: All it took you was one sentence to say that we're currently in a war over oil. That's a bold, risible claim that just so happens to be flat-out wrong. Stand by your claim or don't, it's up to you, but the "Don't act like you know me!" shtick is a bit much.
My goal is less to change your mind, per se, than to not let such statements pass by unchallenged. There's one of you; there are dozens of people in the peanut gallery. Hopefully if any of them have any question in their mind as to whether or not we're in a war over oil, they can look at your statement, look at mine, and sort things out for themselves.
@CrapCommentFromADude: Hey, thanks again for clarifying just how stupid and wrong I've been! (But at least I'm amusing, with my silly unfounded claims! That's something, isn't it?)
Seriously, though: Thank goodness for cogent arguments like yours. If I may speak for all the other Unthinking Liberals in the peanut gallery, how else would we get our information? I personally might have gone on like this for years had you not taken the time set me straight. Because, you know, I'm too busy being an enemy of liberty and freedom to read the newspaper. (Oh, dear...which, come to think of it, is controlled by Unthinking Liberal Media Elites!)
Should I not respond to you again from here on out, please don't be sad. It's likely I'm off at a pro-war rally with other Thinking Liberals like you. See ya there! And to all you other Unthinking Liberals who may still not have made up your minds: Hope you'll join me!
Kisses,
Chimpy McBus Hitler (Still love that name!)
What with Eve, Nicole and these stories, I feel less than empowered. I feel hopeless and hapless. We can't get people in our own country to care about the cause of woman, how can we help those who need it even more? #afghanistan
France and the UK both participated in the invasion that destabilized the region in the first place - I think if you're part of an invasion that causes such immense turmoil in a region, you have a responsibility to help out the people who leave because they don't want to get bombed to shit.
I'm not saying things were peachy before the invasion, but I am saying that there weren't droves of people leaving the country because their towns are being bombed because a terrorist might be holed up somewhere nearby.
CBC radio just had a special saying that they were considering opening up immigration to Afghan forces that participated in Canada's role in the mission, acting as interpreters and providing cultural context because, you know, they were going to be KILLED by the Taliban if they stayed... and the way the immigration reform works, *most* people will be eligible. Not all, just most. Leaving some people, and their families, vulnerable to revenge killings for helping the forces there.
As a Canadian, I feel sickened at the form our "help" is taking over there, and I feel it is part of our responsibility to open up our countries to people who need to leave.
A lot of the people who are leaving illegally and ending up in places like France and England are doing so because they don 't have the time to do it legally.
The radio special said that one of the main concerns is that if they allow everyone that supports pro-democracy change to leave, then the country will just fall back into the theocracy it was before we invaded.
Every time I see a photo like this, after bursting into tears the first thing I want to do is slap George W. Bush. Hard. Then I want to see that he spends the rest of his life attending the funerals of every single serviceman and woman who lost their life in Iraq and Afghanistan. And he sure as shit better not smirk. #staffsgtvernonmartin
Hey, is President Thinksalot making a call on this shit soon, or what? What does he have to do, beat McChrytal in Risk a few more times until he figures it out? #staffsgtvernonmartin
@Little Time Bomb: I'm advocating making a decision, but since you're asking, I think we should bounce and let that country deal with its own civil war. We were dumb enough to believe we could institute a little Jeffersonian democracy in Afghanistan, and that hasn't worked out, so let's back off and treat Afghanistan like any other failed state with an al Quaeda presence. #staffsgtvernonmartin
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Second thought: Huh. I wonder if the state of the poster is meta-commentary on the potential length of Karzai's political career. #afghanistanelection
11/04/09
Please come home Capt. Baby Izzie needs to know you better. #camplejeune
11/04/09
Good luck guys. #camplejeune
11/04/09
Please bring this soldier, and all of the other soldiers fighting this unwinnable war over oil, home. His baby girl needs him.
Respectfully,
Escalade #camplejeune
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Sigh. #camplejeune
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For example, Saddam's Oil for Food program was a notoriously corrupt, fairly efficient way of getting Iraq's oil to the West, and Saddam had proven plenty of willingness to play ball with us in the past. Secular strong-men are convenient like that. If we simply wanted profits from Iraq's oil, which of the following ways strikes you as a better way to get it:
1) Launch an incredibly costly war that will decimate Iraq's infrastructure and cost far, far, far more than any marginal difference in oil profits you'd get by 'cutting out the middle-man'?
2) Strike a deal with Saddam?
Or, hey, how about:
3) Realize that oil is a fungible commodity, and so who pumps it out of the ground usually isn't the real issue. As one secret classified intelligence source They Don't Want You To Know About (Wikipedia) puts it:
"Fungibility is the property of a good or a commodity whose individual units are capable of mutual substitution. Examples of highly fungible commodities are crude oil, wheat, orange juice ... "
Along with your 'wearing your politics on your sleeve' username, this is the sort of unthinking liberalism that gives the rest of us liberals a bad name. It's a homemade Chimpy McBusHitler sign as a substitute for grappling with the actual issues at hand.
11/05/09
Off to go change my screenname now to Chimpy McBusHitler. Or maybe FungibleCommodity. That has such a nice ring to it.
11/05/09
My goal is less to change your mind, per se, than to not let such statements pass by unchallenged. There's one of you; there are dozens of people in the peanut gallery. Hopefully if any of them have any question in their mind as to whether or not we're in a war over oil, they can look at your statement, look at mine, and sort things out for themselves.
11/05/09
Seriously, though: Thank goodness for cogent arguments like yours. If I may speak for all the other Unthinking Liberals in the peanut gallery, how else would we get our information? I personally might have gone on like this for years had you not taken the time set me straight. Because, you know, I'm too busy being an enemy of liberty and freedom to read the newspaper. (Oh, dear...which, come to think of it, is controlled by Unthinking Liberal Media Elites!)
Should I not respond to you again from here on out, please don't be sad. It's likely I'm off at a pro-war rally with other Thinking Liberals like you. See ya there! And to all you other Unthinking Liberals who may still not have made up your minds: Hope you'll join me!
Kisses,
Chimpy McBus Hitler (Still love that name!)
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Sort of, but Monty Python did it better. www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0 #camplejeune
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I'm not saying things were peachy before the invasion, but I am saying that there weren't droves of people leaving the country because their towns are being bombed because a terrorist might be holed up somewhere nearby.
CBC radio just had a special saying that they were considering opening up immigration to Afghan forces that participated in Canada's role in the mission, acting as interpreters and providing cultural context because, you know, they were going to be KILLED by the Taliban if they stayed... and the way the immigration reform works, *most* people will be eligible. Not all, just most. Leaving some people, and their families, vulnerable to revenge killings for helping the forces there.
As a Canadian, I feel sickened at the form our "help" is taking over there, and I feel it is part of our responsibility to open up our countries to people who need to leave.
A lot of the people who are leaving illegally and ending up in places like France and England are doing so because they don 't have the time to do it legally.
The radio special said that one of the main concerns is that if they allow everyone that supports pro-democracy change to leave, then the country will just fall back into the theocracy it was before we invaded.
Maybe that's a sign we're doing it wrong? #illegalimmigration
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