They've got it all wrong. ACORN didn't steal the election, the Democrats used the election as a cover to steal acorns. It's all part of the world-wide squirrel conspiracy. The election was just part one of their plan AKA "Operation Chip."
"Operation Dale" is coming, and its coming for your guns, your children, and your fruit trees.
@Dodgergirl: "Chip 'n Dale" -- Chippendale -- male strippers -- male sex workers -- male on male sex -- Prop 8 -- California -- Nancy Pelosi -- Barack Obama
I'm no expert in bills of attainder, but after taking a look at the legislation I have a feeling that challenge would fail.
The purpose of the prohibition on bills of attainder is to keep Congress from using legislative means to deny individuals their civil rights without due process (i.e., Congress can't find you guilty of a crime).
This legislation is not "targeted" towards ACORN, it's actually a huge appropriations bill that provides funds for transportation and affordable housing funds in FY10. The act sets forth several limitations on the use of funds, including a provision saying that no funds can be distributed to ACORN or its subsidiaries. But it also restricts distribution of funds to other government agencies, organizations that seek to exercise eminent domain etc.
Granted, it does not provide a rationale for denying funding to ACORN but I don't know that ACORN has any specific right to the funding either? I'm pretty sure Congress has a right to direct appropriations to specific sources as it sees fit. Interested to hear other arguments...
Obama had to deal with bill of attainder issues when taxing executive pay. If "employees of financial institutions owing $5 billion or more to the government with household income of $250k" is specific enough to be considered part of a bill of attainder, then certainly ACORN is.
Not my constitution! It allows for guns, family values, and has a picture of Carrie Prejean saying "It's Adam and Eve, Not Adam and Steve" on it in cross-stitch. Latoya, why do you hate America?
This is the usual tempest in a teapot. How much money are we actually talking about here? Is it more or less then the bales of cash delivered to KBR in Iraq? Is it more or less then the handout to Wall Street last year?
This story is dangerous because it is an attempt to establish a false equivalency to the corruption of the right. Is what this lady did on video more or less dangerous then female workers for haliburton and KBR being raped and the cover up being sponsored on our dime?
I'm sorry but some minor corruption by a bunch of poor people just doesn't rise to
the level of that other stuff, but we can't talk about that in this country, that would be disrespectful to the president and the troops.
Poor training, bad PR skills and slip ups like this are characteristic of most non-profits. When you can't afford to pay people larger salaries, you don't end up getting the quality of employees and for-profit companies. That's just a sad reflection of life and finances and what have you. I've seen this time and time again in non-profits I've worked/interned for: poor organization, no one willing to do the work to change the current system because they're not paid much to do their normal work in the first place, etc. It's not true of every non-profit or every non-profit employee, of course, but it's extremely prevalent when you look at groups like this as a whole.
@awinoforever: For ACORN, it isn't just what salaries they can afford. I attended an ACORN organizing training about 10 yeas ago. DC ACORN, at that time, had a policy that they don't pay staff more than their members' incomes. They felt it wasn't right to pay high salaries when they get funding from people in poverty. I'm not sure if that changed, or if that was justification for paying low wages to organizers (who always get low salaries), or what.
@Lymed: that's really interesting - thanks for the details. i get the philosophy behind that, and the reasoning behind low pay at non-profits in general, but the cause-effect relationship it produces does not lend itself to well run organizations with highly trained staff, you know?
I worked for ACORN for a very short while, right before the 2004 election. Alot of our income during those months came specifically from voter registration funds. I remember being specifically told by my supervisor that we were not to practice the methods we had heard of in other states - like Florida, and Ohio - where other ACORN offices in the 2000 election (and then later, coverage showed, in the 2004 election) were intentionally forging voter registration cards in order to receive the $4 per registration fee for the organization. We were told to differentiate ourselves by being honest.
It's possible that those were simple mistakes and errors in judgment on the part of the employees, especially as ACORN's screening for the voter reg staff was minimal. However, knowing that the same error popped up in at least 4-5 different states in the 2004 election season makes it seem like it may have been intentional.
I was also dismayed later on, to find out about the history of ACORN in Kansas City, MO, where the office closed with short notice, and ACORN national continued to withdraw membership dues from the affected members for 8 years with no staff to support them and no active chapters.
I soon left, because I had grave concerns about the stability of the neighborhood chapter I was supposed to build, and those concerns were seriously affecting my ability to recruit members.
It was soon after that that I discovered the non-profit for whom I had been doing community organizing had been convicted of union-busting among their own employees not a year earlier. I've included here a link to the decision by the National Labor Relations Board.
I agree with Lymed in her assertion that ACORN does do some fantastic work. They were one of the first to raise awareness publicly about predatory lending. They have spoken out on behalf of the poor and the marginalized in multiple communities, and given low-income neighborhoods alot of power in deciding their own agendas for their neighborhoods, something I admire and respect.
However, I also think the methods they have used to achieve those means are reprehensible. I hope that, with their federal funding revoked, other non-profits will step in to fill the gap, and fill it in a way that is more ethical. I support the revocation of their funding by the government. When I found out that my denomination, the Presbyterian Church (USA) had given them a generous grant from our funds to support community organizing, I also advised our national staff to take a closer look at their history of labor relations and structural stability. I still stand by that advise.
Doing I think this interview served as a form entrapment? Certainly. Do I think the organizer really thought she wsas just playing along? Definitely. However, I also hope the publicity this brings to ACORN will also allow us to look more closely at their problematic history, and criticize them fairly. We on the left need to criticize them as well, to hold them accountable for justice within their organization as they proclaim the need for justice in our society.
ACORN does some fantastic work. They are trusted by low income people who are in need of assistance. Some chapters do incredible work in empowering people who feel powerless. In teaching people to build credit so they can open a bank account, to help them get the EITC, to access social services.
Are they perfect? Far from it. When the claims of voter fraud emerged I laughed saying there is no way ACORN could pull it off even if they wanted to. That is what I see in this instance. Not malice, but incompetence. Workers thinking they are helping people in need and doing it incompetently.
But what happens now? What happens to those people ACORN did help? What happens to all the people ACORN mobilized in elections to vote for people who stood for the under-represented?
It would have been one thing if it was discovered ACORN was regularly giving out this advice. But this was a set up and a few people acted really stupidly when they were set up. Now the poor and disenfranchised in America will suffer.
They are trusted by low income people who are in need of assistance.
This has always been, for me, the greatest value of ACORN. When I see ACORN organizers and volunteers around, they are always people from that community, helping people in that same community. They generally aren't seen as outsiders coming in to tell the poor folks what to do and how to live as so many well-meaning liberal organizations tend to do. It engenders a lot of trust in what they have to offer and what they have to say.
@Lymed: I worked with ACORN on my spring break. I volunteered to gut homes in NOLA. It frustrates me when I see that the dirty spots are the only parts mentioned and instead of getting fixed, the entire system goes down.
11/20/09
"Operation Dale" is coming, and its coming for your guns, your children, and your fruit trees.
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The purpose of the prohibition on bills of attainder is to keep Congress from using legislative means to deny individuals their civil rights without due process (i.e., Congress can't find you guilty of a crime).
This legislation is not "targeted" towards ACORN, it's actually a huge appropriations bill that provides funds for transportation and affordable housing funds in FY10. The act sets forth several limitations on the use of funds, including a provision saying that no funds can be distributed to ACORN or its subsidiaries. But it also restricts distribution of funds to other government agencies, organizations that seek to exercise eminent domain etc.
Granted, it does not provide a rationale for denying funding to ACORN but I don't know that ACORN has any specific right to the funding either? I'm pretty sure Congress has a right to direct appropriations to specific sources as it sees fit. Interested to hear other arguments...
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This story is dangerous because it is an attempt to establish a false equivalency to the corruption of the right. Is what this lady did on video more or less dangerous then female workers for haliburton and KBR being raped and the cover up being sponsored on our dime?
I'm sorry but some minor corruption by a bunch of poor people just doesn't rise to
the level of that other stuff, but we can't talk about that in this country, that would be disrespectful to the president and the troops.
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It's possible that those were simple mistakes and errors in judgment on the part of the employees, especially as ACORN's screening for the voter reg staff was minimal. However, knowing that the same error popped up in at least 4-5 different states in the 2004 election season makes it seem like it may have been intentional.
I was also dismayed later on, to find out about the history of ACORN in Kansas City, MO, where the office closed with short notice, and ACORN national continued to withdraw membership dues from the affected members for 8 years with no staff to support them and no active chapters.
I soon left, because I had grave concerns about the stability of the neighborhood chapter I was supposed to build, and those concerns were seriously affecting my ability to recruit members.
It was soon after that that I discovered the non-profit for whom I had been doing community organizing had been convicted of union-busting among their own employees not a year earlier. I've included here a link to the decision by the National Labor Relations Board.
[www.nlrb.gov]
I agree with Lymed in her assertion that ACORN does do some fantastic work. They were one of the first to raise awareness publicly about predatory lending. They have spoken out on behalf of the poor and the marginalized in multiple communities, and given low-income neighborhoods alot of power in deciding their own agendas for their neighborhoods, something I admire and respect.
However, I also think the methods they have used to achieve those means are reprehensible. I hope that, with their federal funding revoked, other non-profits will step in to fill the gap, and fill it in a way that is more ethical. I support the revocation of their funding by the government. When I found out that my denomination, the Presbyterian Church (USA) had given them a generous grant from our funds to support community organizing, I also advised our national staff to take a closer look at their history of labor relations and structural stability. I still stand by that advise.
Doing I think this interview served as a form entrapment? Certainly. Do I think the organizer really thought she wsas just playing along? Definitely. However, I also hope the publicity this brings to ACORN will also allow us to look more closely at their problematic history, and criticize them fairly. We on the left need to criticize them as well, to hold them accountable for justice within their organization as they proclaim the need for justice in our society.
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Are they perfect? Far from it. When the claims of voter fraud emerged I laughed saying there is no way ACORN could pull it off even if they wanted to. That is what I see in this instance. Not malice, but incompetence. Workers thinking they are helping people in need and doing it incompetently.
But what happens now? What happens to those people ACORN did help? What happens to all the people ACORN mobilized in elections to vote for people who stood for the under-represented?
It would have been one thing if it was discovered ACORN was regularly giving out this advice. But this was a set up and a few people acted really stupidly when they were set up. Now the poor and disenfranchised in America will suffer.
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And that's a feature, not a bug.
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They are trusted by low income people who are in need of assistance.
This has always been, for me, the greatest value of ACORN. When I see ACORN organizers and volunteers around, they are always people from that community, helping people in that same community. They generally aren't seen as outsiders coming in to tell the poor folks what to do and how to live as so many well-meaning liberal organizations tend to do. It engenders a lot of trust in what they have to offer and what they have to say.
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