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Maritsa
10/29/09

In reply to "Perceived Negatively When You Share Your Success With Others?" That's Bingo!
I have hit the Maternal Wall countless times, starting with the day I told the partner I work for I was pregnant. "Well, we hire young women - what do we think will happen?" #genderbiasbingo
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Working-for-the-weekend
10/29/09

@Maritsa: I hit the Maternal wall before I was even pregnant. Got to love small town living. 11 men with less experience and who attended less reputable schools have been hired over me since I started looking for a better job in my field in my town 2 years ago. 11! #genderbiasbingo
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notheretomakefriends
10/29/09

@Working-for-the-weekend: Day I hit both the maternal wall and my sanity threshold: The day I sobbed to my mom that I would gladly get my tubes tied and a certificate to prove it attached to any job application form if this was what it would take to get ahead. #genderbiasbingo
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History Major
10/29/09

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My Introduction to Diversity professor is not well liked because she is a little cold, doesn't coddle student's, and can be very direct. Most of the student's are startled by a woman who is this way assuming that as our professor and by virtue of her being a woman she should be "nurturing." I absolutely adore my professor because I know that if she we're a male none of the student's would bat an eye lash. They'd just chalk it up to a male teacher being a male teacher. But because it's a woman everyone says shes sooooo mean and sooooo tough. In reality she's just AWESOME! Also she was a Black Panther! #genderbiasbingo
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highjump
10/29/09

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E-mailed to my gender and politics professor, and we are going to play on Friday! Thank you Jezebel and Center for WorkLife Law! #genderbiasbingo
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yvanehtnioj
10/29/09

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Knowing that this was submitted by a law professor makes me feel like there's got to be a way to incorporate gender bias bingo and gunner bingo.

Top row: Guy who has a personal story relevant to every case; At my Ivy League undergrad ... guy; Every crime is a hate crime! guy. Middle row: Challenges everything the female professor says guy; Everyone but me is unaware of the biological differences between the sexes guy (open space); Starts talking while a female classmate is speaking guy. Bottom row: There's no male bias in caselaw, it's an historical bias, which is okay guy; I'm-not-a-sexist-I'm-a-strict-constructionist guy; There's no such thing as Battered Women's Syndrome guy.

Did I miss anybody? Sorry to all the non-law Jezzies, this will make little sense. #genderbiasbingo
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MichelinG
10/29/09

@yvanehtnioj: Bingo. Blackout bingo. #genderbiasbingo
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curiousgeorgiana
10/29/09

@yvanehtnioj: Ooh Ooh. Front row, far right: the guy who's dad was an in-house attorney for GM and therefore he knows how the law works "in the real world". And thus every comment must begin with, "In the real world...".

And then there's the guy in the back row, who spent the whole class arguing that "date rape" sexual assault, should always be mitigated into a lesser crime (not a felony!! he argued) because it's not real rape.

Oh yeah, and our female professor is a ball-buster. Our male professors are straight-talkers. #genderbiasbingo
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CynicalPink
10/29/09

@curiousgeorgiana: My Crim Pro class did an entire unit on comparing rape law in different states and countries. I had to sit in front of this dickbag who kept making "funny" comments like "Where's the 'it was charity' section to deal with ugly chicks with hurt feelings" and "How about a 'lying bitch set me up' provision" to his friends. Under his breath of course. The professor would have had him drawn and quartered on the spot. Oh also. Girl sitting right in our section? A survivor.
I never said anything to the professor or the administration. I'll have to take that with me to my grave. I hate having regrets, but if this fuckstick puts one more toe out of line my inner tattle-tale and I will make his life a living hell #genderbiasbingo
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BelleBreezing
10/29/09

@yvanehtnioj: (slightly OT but...) And I don't think it gets any better when they get out of law school. My sister is an attorney and recently, the week a female co-worker/attorney returned from maternity leave, the co-worker was told by one of the partners that "there's no way a female with a child could make partner at this firm." She resigned two weeks later. My sister is leaving at the end of the year. The kicker? They specialize in employment law. #genderbiasbingo
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yvanehtnioj
10/29/09

@BelleBreezing: Which brings us to "When I make partner guy", because it's still seen by many men as their due, while for women you have to be the one (emphasize one, there are serious quota issues) superlawyer in a million who also does not have children, get fat, rub anyone the wrong way, or sleep for 8 years. And even then, her making partner is seen as proof that the firm is Progressive and Thoughtful, not just an indicator of her merit. Oh, and she will be required to pose in every single recruitment ad until she dies or retires. With a quote about how Progressive and Thoughtful the firm is.

You're preaching to the choir here. I've already joined and left Big Law. #genderbiasbingo
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BelleBreezing
10/29/09

@yvanehtnioj: LOL!!! This is SOO true. My sister (who happens to be 38 and recently married with no kids) and a male started at this firm the same year. He was made partner 2 years ago. My sister is still a Jr. partner and (despite repeatedly asking) hasn't been given stated goals (billable hours, origination) of what she needs to become a partner. And last time it was officially discussed one of the partners mentioned, now that she is married, she probably won't be able to bill as many hours and they needed to take that into consideration. She wants to go into business for herself. Fuck the patriarchy. #genderbiasbingo
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lady_justice
10/29/09

@BelleBreezing: My SO and I are both attorneys. At his firm retreat recently one of the partners asked me why I had chosen to work in public service rather than at a firm (omg why would I ever want to use my degree to help those less fortunate and not make 6 figures by spending my entire life at work?!) and I told him I hoped for a better home-work balance because someday we hope to have kids. His response: "Well I'm a partner in the firm and I have 4 kids, so I don't really understand your argument." HIS WIFE DOESN'T WORK. FML. #genderbiasbingo
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GoldenRatioφ (aka -girl11)
10/29/09

@yvanehtnioj: A twist on the last one you mentioned: there is no such thing as Battered Women's Syndrome, but men who kill when they are under Extreme Emotional Distress because their wimminz stepped out shouldn't be convicted of murder guy.

Also, if it weren't for this Economy, they would have gotten offers to work in Biglaw this summer, but assume that any of the women who didn't get offers wouldn't have anyway. #genderbiasbingo
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yvanehtnioj
10/29/09

@lady_justice: Classic. Fucking classic. And yes we can add that guy. He was actually in there until I remembered "all crimes are hate crimes! guy"! #genderbiasbingo
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lady_justice
10/29/09

@yvanehtnioj: Fuck those gunners. God I hated law school. #genderbiasbingo
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Maritsa
10/29/09

@lady_justice: They just don't get it. They really don't. I see the way these male partners "parent" - they leave it ALL up to their wives and will miss anything, including birthdays, First Communions, etc. for work. Well, that's your choice. But if you have two parents that do that, you have a neglected child. #genderbiasbingo
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Maritsa
10/29/09

@BelleBreezing: This is "the reason more women don't make partner is because they want to stay home" guy. #genderbiasbingo
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
10/29/09

@lady_justice: My MOM was a woman!
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debo matar la zombi goldberry83
10/29/09

@yvanehtnioj:
Sorry to all the non-law Jezzies, this will make little sense.

But to any philosophy Jezzies, it's all too familiar... *Spent 6 years wanting to strangle all these dudes* #genderbiasbingo
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funzette
10/29/09

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Do the actions of one woman become immediately generalizable to all women, while men are judged on their own individual merits (or lack thereof?) #genderbiasbingo
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rah29
10/29/09

@funzette: Oh good one! #genderbiasbingo
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lisbeth-feldspar
10/29/09

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The Chronicle of Higher Ed article makes it sound as though the focus is entirely on bias against mothers, which perturbed me at first, but in fact most of the categories apply to all women in academia. One BIG oversight, however: student bias. As a (small, youngish) female professor, I can tell you that by far the most disturbing gender bias I face is from male students. #genderbiasbingo
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yvanehtnioj
10/29/09

@lisbeth-feldspar: As a former female student, I saw it all the time and was enraged. God forbid a woman be under 40 and smarter than all of the men in the room! #genderbiasbingo
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curiousgeorgiana
10/29/09

@lisbeth-feldspar: I notice all the time how defense some of the guys get when a female professor pushes them during question (Socratic). You can see the frustration level rising. Male professor??-- it's just part of the game. #genderbiasbingo
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Maritsa
10/29/09

@lisbeth-feldspar: Yes. The stupid dumbass 1Ls in my property class used to regularly mock my amazing, clerked-for-Justice-Marshall professor. REALLY? You think you're smarter than she is?? #genderbiasbingo
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Sunshineyness
10/29/09

@lisbeth-feldspar: I saw this with my female lighting teacher at film school. The woman was a working DP who worked from grunt set work up. She knows how to lug her equipment around but EVERY DAY in class you'd have all the guys trying to take the equipment and carry it for her. You'd get that all the time in any of the equipment heavy classes from the guys. Us women ARE capable of lugging equipment around too you know... #genderbiasbingo
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Dodgergirl
10/29/09

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This will be the game of choice at the Jezebel Old Folks Home.

Related: While furiously reading a newspaper yesterday, I decided my calling in life was to go around, pointing out annoying sexism in pop culture or life in general and finishing it off by yelling "FEMINISTED" and then walking away calmly. It's not bingo, but it'll be kind of like a game.
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Scoithniamh
10/29/09

@Dodgergirl: Yes! I play that game regularly, and now it has a catch phrase. Thank you. #genderbiasbingo
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
10/29/09

@Dodgergirl: Make sure you carry your Chloraseptic with you; I have a feeling a sore throat from yelling yourself hoarse might well be imminent. #genderbiasbingo
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o-line
10/29/09

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This looks like it's straight out of the Dunder Mifflin Sensitivity Training / Orientation binder. #genderbiasbingo
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
10/29/09

What was the response to your last observation? I'm dying to know.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
10/29/09

@o-line: Heh. How do you know it's not? #genderbiasbingo
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redqueenmeg
10/29/09

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This isn't exactly an example of the leniency bias listed here but it reminded me: I used to work on a call-center floor as one of two women out of about 200 computer tech support phone analysts.

One of the men who worked there also moonlighted at a movie theater and he got about a hundred posters for the Josie and the Pussycats movie, so there were about a hundred of these [www.mp3lyrics.org] staring me in the face all the time. Fine, great, whatever.

But one day I wore a tank top to work. Not a belly-baring one. Just a tank top that covered my bra straps and everything.

I got a talking-to by management. I pointed out the women in the posters, of whom there were FAR more than just me, were wearing a lot less than I was. #genderbiasbingo
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indeedso
10/29/09

@redqueenmeg: Don't leave me hanging! How did that go over? #genderbiasbingo
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redqueenmeg
10/29/09

@indeedso: Just about as badly as it legally could have. They told me it didn't matter because as far as my clothes I was out of code. Then they made the guys take the posters down (which wasn't what I'd asked for) and magically everyone knew why, so I was "that stupid feminist" who "only wanted to get the posters taken down in the first place." #genderbiasbingo
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indeedso
10/29/09

@redqueenmeg: Well, I'm so glad they prevented the creation of a hostile working environment... #genderbiasbingo
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redqueenmeg
10/29/09

@indeedso: It was an interesting place, but most of the hostility was not, despite the gender disparity, gender-related.

Other occurrences included me getting reprimanded for following company policy, which I was not allowed to bend, because a customer complained, and also the fun of having the computer company we all were contracted support for coming in, telling us all our jobs were going to India and that if we had *not* done such a good job we would all still *have* jobs (layoffs in order to preserve stock prices, you see), and by the way, had we reserved them a tee time at the local golf course? #genderbiasbingo
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Sunshineyness
10/29/09

@redqueenmeg: Ah the dress code violation. I've never worked with a guy who's been told what they're wearing wasn't appropriate at the workplace barring jeans and sneakers or something extreme like that. #genderbiasbingo
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redqueenmeg
10/29/09

@Sunshineyness: And funnily enough, jeans and sneakers were A-OK at this workplace, and in fact comprised the rest of my outfit. #genderbiasbingo
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badmutha
10/29/09

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Hehehe, I love Prove it again. So true, so true. #genderbiasbingo
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librarianette
10/29/09

In reply to "Perceived Negatively When You Share Your Success With Others?" That's Bingo!
over at CHE one of the awesomely academic commenters asked if it should actually be "sex bias bingo" -- bringing up the difference between gender and sex.

also, i sent this in to tips! i'm excited that it got posted! #genderbiasbingo
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pantsless economist...access RESTORED
10/29/09

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Gender Bias Bingo: Even when you win, you lose. #genderbiasbingo
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yvanehtnioj
10/29/09

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I suspect this is not the last time I'll be seeing this bingo card... #genderbiasbingo
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