But my question is, who's funding the initiative to keep kids from dating robots? Because you know that the end of our civilization is nigh if that catches on. #abstinenceonlyeducation
folks like Unruh and Phelps are now forced to raise private funds to support ineffective programs that advance a religious agenda — oh, the humanity!
Aren't these the same types of people who think that government exists only to fight terrorists and that the invisible hand of the free market will save all our poor, uninsured, unemployed asses? Line up for a taste of your own medicine, suckas! #abstinenceonlyeducation
@Everything MidnightBikeRide does is a balloon.: I haven't ironed out all the logistics, but my first reaction to shit like that is always to be like, fine, you want to bite the hand that feeds you, raise your own damn funds. I don't think that a lot of anti-taxers have a good understanding of just how comprehensively their lives are federally funded already. #abstinenceonlyeducation
I like the compromise. That's pretty much how they went about teaching us at my high school, which was a private all-girls school that, despite its other flaws, did know what to teach girls about sex. We were taught that abstinence is the only guarantee to not get STDs or pregnant, but we also learned how to put on condoms, learned about the pill and other methods of BC, and were even taught about what going to the gynecologist is like. #abstinenceonlyeducation
Every time I read something like this, I want to quit my job and become a sex ed teacher. Actually, kind of seriously, does anyone know how I'd go about doing that?
"Condoms are virtually ineffective"... it's like they don't even care that people are transmitting horrible diseases and getting pregnant at 15 or whatever. No one with a conscience could possibly advise people to just go ahead and skip the condoms. #abstinenceonlyeducation
I see where you guys were going with the picture selection, but I'm starting to get uncomfortable with using Bristol Palin as the literal poster child for this stuff. She isn't to blame for her mom's dumbass abstinence-only policies, and has stated that she did know exactly how pregnancy worked, and did possess condoms, but they failed to use them every time. Plus, her life is probably difficult enough without everyone up in her business. I say this as someone who grew up as the child of a local public official in a small town, and could never get any privacy because of my parent's position.
Now that said, I think abstinence-only education is absurd. Basic knowledge of reproductive biology and how the various methods of contraception work, with no implied value judgments, is the way to go. And there is nothing wrong with saying "Abstinence is the only 100% way of preventing STDs and pregnancy, but here are some other methods and their typical success rates." Science and facts.
All the guilty/shaming stuff I don't agree with, but if that's what families want to do, then I can't stop them. My own family told me that sex before marriage was not okay, but then my mom also told me that if I ever thought I might become sexually active, I should seek contraception through her or otherwise. Fortunately, the second part of that message stuck and I have never had sex without a condom or hormonal birth control (or both, in new relationships before people get tested). Of course, I'm also 30 and have never acknowledged to my family that I've had sex, so clearly the shame bit stuck as well. At least I got some info along with it.
@Flackette Goes Retro: She's spent this year working as an abstinence spokesperson for the Candie's Foundation. Even if you completely take her out of the equation because she has nothing to do with Sarah Palin's beliefs about abstinence-only education, she's a grown woman working as a teen abstinence ambassador. If it weren't for that, I'd agree that her relationship with abstinence-only education is solely through her mother and therefore out of line, but when she takes a job like that, she forces the hand of everyone trying to respect her while trying to call her mother on her ignorance. #abstinenceonlyeducation
@trollprincess: Oh, if she's put herself out there, that's another story. I wasn't aware of that, so thanks for letting me know. #abstinenceonlyeducation
What totally floors me is the amount of money that was poured into abstinence only AND into research about whether or not it works when all anyone had to do was ask my grandparents because they'll flat out tell you kids don't listen to a word you say. #abstinenceonlyeducation
Every year that I had sex ed in school my parents had to sign a form saying that it was alright for me to sit in on sex education class, and they were also given the option to review the materials that were going to be presented beforehand. My school taught comprehensive sex education, but if my parents had a problem with their method of teaching it (or content taught), they could always "opt out" individually. Is this a common experience? #abstinenceonlyeducation
@Jeenzy: My parents had the same option. That said, by the time I had sex ed. in late middle and high school, my parents had already laid out the facts in a pretty straightforward manner. #abstinenceonlyeducation
@Jeenzy: My high school did the same thing. I don't remember anyone being forced to sit out by their parents, though. We all thought it was pretty stupid, actually, to have to have our parents sign off on whether or not we could learn about sex and contraceptives. Of course, we were all 13 and thought we knew everything.
I don't really agree with this practice though. I think if a child is interested in learning about safe sex and reproduction, it shouldn't matter if parental consent is given. It's like wanting to take your kid out of algebra class because you don't believe in fractions and percentages. Wtf. #abstinenceonlyeducation
@DearJamie: But like if factoring a polynomial improperly could give you herpes or a baby instead of an A- on your pre-calculus test. #abstinenceonlyeducation
"what is contraception going to do for all those consequences? It would be sort of nonsensical." And there you have it. They don't like contraception, because they think if you have sex you should SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES by getting knocked up or catching a disease. #abstinenceonlyeducation
I'm glad to see NC is actually getting some good press! But I have a bone to pick with its sex ed practices of the late 90s. My brother and his wife are four years younger than I am, making them 25. His wife is pregnant for the fourth time. She had a miscarriage with the first pregnancy, the second went off well, though she was pretty sickly, and she was very sick during the third, requiring her to be on bed rest for an extended period of time. Her son was born way early, and is still at only the first percentile for height and weight at his age (which is 10 months). After her son was born, she and my brother were told not to have any more children for a long, long time, b/c of the health issues she has had. So naturally she is now a month and a half pregnant (accidentally), and already on bed rest.
They were both four years behind me in school. I had good sex ed in school, and the Girl Scouts had a special learn-about-your-bodies weekend that I attended a couple of years in a row that taught me about birth control. My brother and his wife didn't have this; they had abstinence only sex ed, which, as this post says, teaches that birth control isn't trustworthy. I'm thinking that my brother's situation shows that abstinence-only is not only bad for teenagers, but it steers them wrong when they are adults. My brother's wife should have been on birth control -- multiple forms of it, since she's proven to be very fertile (though not good at carrying babies to term). But abstinence-only taught them that birth control doesn't work, so why bother with it? I think that as the teens who got abstinence-only sex ed grow older, we're going to see more adults making stupid decisions with about reproductive health. #abstinenceonlyeducation
My little sister and brother are in a highschool that teaches abstinence only. It works so well that because of the rising teen pregnancies in the school they decided to add a second mandatory class called Good Parenting.
That's the kind of thinking we're working with, people.
(Incidentally, it was li'l sis's lowest grade this six weeks. Her two older sisters asked her to ponder the deeper significance of that.) #abstinenceonlyeducation
I was lucky enough to grow up in a town and go to a school that provided me with excellent information about many different STDs (or whatever the correct term for them is these days) and all different forms of birth control. And I still had a friend who decided to stop taking her birth control because "my sister got pregnant when she was on the pill, so it's not worth it anyway".
We need to drill the facts in to people's heads. Abstinence being the best form of birth control and STD prevention is a fact, but there are so many other valuable facts. Let parents teach their values at home, school is for facts. #abstinenceonlyeducation
@FourInchHeels: OMG I so wish they would cover this in Christian abstinence talks! I wish my little siblings still lived in Texas so I could tell them to ask about Mary during their school's abstinence talk. Hell, I wish I could go back in time to my middle school and do it myself! #abstinenceonlyeducation
My middle school had Planned Parenthood come in to teach our sex ed. They gave us all the information you could ever want about birth control and STDs. They also stressed that the most effective way to avoid pregnancy and STDs is abstinence. They were completely upfront about that. This is why I have such a hard time understanding the animosity towards comprehensive sex ed. It's like these "abstinence only" proponents imagine that what Planned Parenthood (and similar groups) are really trying to do is to entice as many young people as possible into having sex, getting pregnant, and then going back to Planned Parenthood to abort the resulting babies (presumably so we can harvest them for evil stem cell research while simultaneously degrading the sanctity of human life). It's ridiculous, especially as most left-leaning, secular organizations just aren't that good at coming up with intricate masterplans. #abstinenceonlyeducation
@Hazey Jane: In my high school, we had 2 quarters of sex ed - one in freshman year that focused on abstinence education and the actual reproduction process, and one in senior year that focused on STD prevention and birth control. I really did learn a LOT in those health classes and am ever grateful that I had them. I can't even IMAGINE having abstinence-only education. #abstinenceonlyeducation
@toastandlove: Interesting that they had them so far apart. I suppose I see their logic (at 14, teach them to keep it in their pants; by 18 they're old enough to be considered responsible) but I'm not sure how effective that is .... I would rather see those one quarter apart, but it's great that you had an entire CLASS on safe practices! I think we had two days of it. #abstinenceonlyeducation
@FourInchHeels: Well, we only had one quarter of health class per year, and sex ed was part of health. The other 3 quarters of the year were gym class. #abstinenceonlyeducation
We had a speaker come to our high school and tell us that using a condom to prevent STDs was like using a volley ball net to stop a golf ball from getting through. Needless to say kids continued to have sex...they just justified not using a condom anymore. #abstinenceonlyeducation
@fauxfruit: And herein lies the fucking problem. Literally.
What I don't understand is, aside from all he other myriad shortcomings (no-comings?) of Abstinence Only education, why do we not trust kids with the truth? It's sad when "ignore it and it'll go away" becomes policy. #abstinenceonlyeducation
@hydrogen_jukebox: It's the stick-your-fingers-in-your-ears... style of teaching. "I'm going to tell you what you're supposed to do and then act like you'll do just that and ignore it when you don't. LA LA LA LA LA" #abstinenceonlyeducation
If you're so worked up, Orin Hatch, just "opt-out". See you in a few years after your constituents freak the hell out and make you accept a public option, a la Mark Sanford and the stimulus. Or write a creepy song about it with your wife. #abstinenceonlyeducation
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Aren't these the same types of people who think that government exists only to fight terrorists and that the invisible hand of the free market will save all our poor, uninsured, unemployed asses? Line up for a taste of your own medicine, suckas! #abstinenceonlyeducation
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"Condoms are virtually ineffective"... it's like they don't even care that people are transmitting horrible diseases and getting pregnant at 15 or whatever. No one with a conscience could possibly advise people to just go ahead and skip the condoms. #abstinenceonlyeducation
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Now that said, I think abstinence-only education is absurd. Basic knowledge of reproductive biology and how the various methods of contraception work, with no implied value judgments, is the way to go. And there is nothing wrong with saying "Abstinence is the only 100% way of preventing STDs and pregnancy, but here are some other methods and their typical success rates." Science and facts.
All the guilty/shaming stuff I don't agree with, but if that's what families want to do, then I can't stop them. My own family told me that sex before marriage was not okay, but then my mom also told me that if I ever thought I might become sexually active, I should seek contraception through her or otherwise. Fortunately, the second part of that message stuck and I have never had sex without a condom or hormonal birth control (or both, in new relationships before people get tested). Of course, I'm also 30 and have never acknowledged to my family that I've had sex, so clearly the shame bit stuck as well. At least I got some info along with it.
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I don't really agree with this practice though. I think if a child is interested in learning about safe sex and reproduction, it shouldn't matter if parental consent is given. It's like wanting to take your kid out of algebra class because you don't believe in fractions and percentages. Wtf. #abstinenceonlyeducation
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They were both four years behind me in school. I had good sex ed in school, and the Girl Scouts had a special learn-about-your-bodies weekend that I attended a couple of years in a row that taught me about birth control. My brother and his wife didn't have this; they had abstinence only sex ed, which, as this post says, teaches that birth control isn't trustworthy. I'm thinking that my brother's situation shows that abstinence-only is not only bad for teenagers, but it steers them wrong when they are adults. My brother's wife should have been on birth control -- multiple forms of it, since she's proven to be very fertile (though not good at carrying babies to term). But abstinence-only taught them that birth control doesn't work, so why bother with it? I think that as the teens who got abstinence-only sex ed grow older, we're going to see more adults making stupid decisions with about reproductive health. #abstinenceonlyeducation
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That's the kind of thinking we're working with, people.
(Incidentally, it was li'l sis's lowest grade this six weeks. Her two older sisters asked her to ponder the deeper significance of that.) #abstinenceonlyeducation
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We need to drill the facts in to people's heads. Abstinence being the best form of birth control and STD prevention is a fact, but there are so many other valuable facts. Let parents teach their values at home, school is for facts. #abstinenceonlyeducation
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What I don't understand is, aside from all he other myriad shortcomings (no-comings?) of Abstinence Only education, why do we not trust kids with the truth? It's sad when "ignore it and it'll go away" becomes policy. #abstinenceonlyeducation
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