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    12/09/09

    In reply to Miracle Worker Welcomes First Visually-Impaired Actress
    I am with Keller's great-niece. On the spectrum of things, being "mostly" blind in one eye is closer to being fully sighted than being totally deaf and blind. Not that I don't think it's great that the director found a talented girl with a disability. But, in this case it just seems to be placating.
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    12/09/09

    @Penny: To clarify a bit, I do understand that someone with a disability may be able to empathize with a disabled character more, but I don't know that it's correct to assume that an actress like Breslin (who is quite talented) cannot tap into that character. That's what acting is all about, after all.
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    Image of MariposaHikari MariposaHikari
    10/30/09

    In reply to Should Able-Bodied Actors Play Disabled Characters?
    As someone who is visually and physically impaired, but not restricted to a wheelchair or to use of a cane, I'll bring up somehting I don't think has come up in the arguments...what's blind "enough" or deaf "enough"?

    My problem with saying, oh this role should be played by someone who's "disabled" is that it requires me to be separated from "normal." am I disabled if I can read, but can't drive or walk by myself? am i disabled if i've walked with forearm crutches for a year now, but hope to someday walk without them again?

    I acted and danced in high school and college, before my rheumatological disease completely disrupted my life (even when my legs do work, cerebral vasculitis has removed my muscle memory of ballet), and I ended up doing mostly dance because my choreographer had diabetes and understood that i would never bail on a show, vs. everyone else who never bothered to ask.

    so i'm all for blind casting...but by that i mean, not taking into account what isn't physically necessary for the part. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    Image of adairfaust adairfaust
    10/30/09

    In reply to Should Able-Bodied Actors Play Disabled Characters?
    I am another of Helen Keller's great-nieces and I agree with my cousin's comments below. The goal of putting on a play is to put on the best play possible - and that means of course the best cast and the best director and the best sets, etc. If there is a different goal, then why put on the play in the first place?Any hoped-for effects of the play - like, say, drawing attention to the capabilities of the blind and deaf - will be diminished if the play is not as good as it can be. I am not suggesting that no blind and/or deaf child actress could play this role well, but that the pool is surely considerably smaller and the communication issues with other cast and director considerably complicated, and that the director no doubt chose the young actress whom she felt she could work with best to achieve the best performance. As she should.
    The best actor or actress for a job is the one who can convey that role believably to the widest possible audience. There are always experts in something-or-other who will notice the shortcomings of the actor's art. Someone below made the very good observation that to her, hearing actors are never believable when they do sign language - it's choppy and awkward and nuances of expression are lost. She is an expert in sign language and notices the unreality, the acting, that most of us don't notice. New Orleanians (I am one) are always rolling our eyes at the accents of actresess portraying Blanche Dubois, for instance, but no doubt the rest of the world isn't. Military history experts have plenty to scoff about in costumes and manners on stage and screen, but the rest of us don't. Of course any good actor or director tries for the best possible accuracy, but no one can be all things to all people.
    Casting always, or usually, involves intelligent give-and-take. One actor looks the part perfectly, another, who looks most unlike the part is a better actor. It all depends on the play and the role and the rest of the cast and the director's vision - how can he or she work with the strengths and weaknesses of all the cast to achieve the vision and stage the best possible performance? That's not the audience's decision to make until the performance..
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Should Able-Bodied Actors Play Disabled Characters?
    Oregon Shakspear Festival cast a deaf man in one of the leads for The Music Man. It worked perfectly. Maybe they should be casting disabled people in non-disabled rolls. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    @fairygoddesse: One of the regulars in the American Shakespeare Center's touring troupe is blind and he does brilliantly. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Should Able-Bodied Actors Play Disabled Characters?
    Wow, I'm usually a lurker, but I have to comment on this. I think the responses to this article, in general, show how far the disability rights movement has to go to achieve parity, even with other minority groups.

    To say it is an issue of the other actors comfort or ease seems short-sighted when people like Sharon Jensen are fighting for long-term goals of advancement. People with disabilities need the rest of the world to understand that, yes, their full participation may require a little extra effort for all of us, but it is the humane course of action, and ideally, it will make all of our lives richer to include these different experiences.

    To say the director should be able to cast whomever he wants. . .yes, he should, but we should also take a good hard look at the ableist casting practices that keep characters AND actors with disabilities off of our screens.

    These arguments for why the play should not feature a disabled actor are straw men that people with disabilities have been trying to knock down for a long time, and I am shocked that so many of the well-read, thoughtful commenters on Jezebel are uninitiated about the terms and parameters of this struggle. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    @misanthropologist: Ablism and disability rights are something few commenters have to deal with. We all are chubby or know someone who is, and see weight discrimination daily; we all know or are POCs, and see racism daily; we all know or are women, and see sexism daily. These are familiar, and we understand (at least partially) how to overcome them. But ablism is virtually unknown--and many members of the disability community are not (very) noticably different than their peers, so their struggles are hidden in plain sight. Awesome comment. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Should Able-Bodied Actors Play Disabled Characters?
    As Helen Keller's great-niece, I've got to weigh in here. I think many valid points have been aired here, but I stand behind Abigail Breslin's casting 110%. The point of William Gibson's wonderful play is not primarily to advocate for the disabled, per se...it is to tell the story of an amazingly intelligent child, burdened with a treble handicap, who through the foresight and love of both her family and teacher, was able to live an extraordinary life of personal achievement and advocacy for the disabled. Because the actress playing Helen has NO dialogue but is featured in 80% of the scenes, it is an incredibly challenging role where every "line" must be communicated through body language and/or actions. It is also an incredibly grueling part for the actress playing Anne Sullivan. Tremendous amounts of communication must exist between the two (both onstage and off) in order for the story to be presented as it was written and indeed lived by Helen and Anne. I think it would be very difficult to cast a deaf/blind actress as Helen due to this fact. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    Image of Ms.RantyPants Ms.RantyPants
    10/30/09

    @Margot Keller: Helen Keller was indeed an amazing woman, and it must be a honor to be related to her.

    I must question your assumption that a DB actress would have a hard time with the body language. Perhaps you are right, there are very few qualified DB actresses out there who can portray the body language appropriately. On the other hand, wouldn't a DB actress understand the body language dynamic even BETTER than a hearing-sighted actress? #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    @Ms.RantyPants: With all due respect, I must disagree in regards to this particular play, as it deals solely with Helen's introduction to Anne at age 7. The entire play is based on Helen's initial hatred and mistrust of Anne, due in large part to Anne's "tough love" tactics , which loosened the loving grip of her family's sympathy, forcing Helen away from her role as a disruptive little tyrant. Because the actress playing HK must have ability to convey such complex nuances without the benefit of dialogue, the part requires an exceptionally gifted actress, which is why Patty Duke received an Academy Award for her portrayal in the 1962 film. You would need to find not only a talented deaf/blind child actor, but the actress playing Anne Sullivan would need to be fluent in tactile fingerspelling or tactile sign language. I have every confidence that Abigail Breslin's enormous talent will do the role justice. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Should Able-Bodied Actors Play Disabled Characters?
    As a disabled woman, I NEVER see anyone on tv or in film who looks like me. If I do happen to see someone who looks like me, it's almost always an ablebody 'acting' disabled. It's absurd. People with disabilities, especially women, are continually excluded. [www.sag.org] #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Should Able-Bodied Actors Play Disabled Characters?
    With respect to deaf roles, I’m appalled when a hearing actor who has no command of American Sign Language is cast because it takes YEARS to master the language. It becomes glaring obvious when a hearing actor, trying to portray a deaf person, signs – the language becomes choppy, the subtle linguistic nuances are missing, and thus the very essence of the deaf character is gone. Then again, I’m deaf, fluent in American Sign Language, and these aspects of the language may more obvious to me, and not so much for a hearing audience. However, it’s disrespectful to my deaf culture to see a strong, deaf role butchered because the language fails to come across on screen or on stage.



    P.S. – for those who brought up concerns that the monetary demands of hiring interpreters to help with the deaf actor in a hearing cast may not be feasible, there are ways around it. Smaller theatre groups such as Deaf West Theatre that feature "mixed" casts have fully managed to do so – I am fully confident this production can do the same. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    Image of Ms.RantyPants Ms.RantyPants
    10/30/09

    @justjeking: You echoed my thoughts exactly. I am Deaf as well - and ASL has many nuances that a hearing actor who took a few classes can't capture. In this situation, however, I don't think ASL fluency is the issue. Helen Keller didn't use ASL as we know it - she probably just used SEE (signed exact english) or perhaps PSE (somewhere between ASL and SEE). Also this story is about her childhood, and to my recollection, she did not sign all that much (she said wa-ter and signed water).

    I am not automatically opposed to hearing-sighted actors playing a deaf-blind character. Just so that everyone knows, the proper terminology is deaf-blind or DB, not deaf AND blind. (not directed to you justeking). But a few things about this comment thread and the play offend me...

    1. There is the automatic assumption that nobody will come to a play, however well-acted, because the main character is an unknown AND deaf-blind (or whatever disability the actress has). PUH-LEZE. That's how a lot of breakout stars become famous. This is a stupid assumption.

    2. Just because the DB actress may require an interpreter makes the whole thing financially infeasible. Like the commenter above said, there are creative ways around the problem. That's real life, and if you want to include people in mainstream society (equal rights and all), you have to make accommodations. Sorry if that's off-putting, but it's not our job to make everyone comfortable.

    On a different note, I really hope this production hires a DB woman to help Abigail Breslin truly 'act' DB. Otherwise, this play will be horrible because a hearing-sighted person may transpose his or her idea of what DB is (probably inaccurately) onto the role. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Should Able-Bodied Actors Play Disabled Characters?
    The issue of an actor with a visual or auditory impairment "negotiating" a stage is interesting to me -- I'm a college-level actress and dancer and have been reminded many, many times in my training, from middle school all the way on up to now, that a theatre is one of the most dangerous places you can be. Things are constantly flying in from overhead (and I shudder to think of what would happen if some oblivious flyman forgot that there was someone in the company that needed to be warned in a way other than the traditional "heads up!" shout), there are occasionally traps open on the stage... obviously, there are steps you can take to ensure that someone with an impairment CAN successfully navigate the dangerous world of the theatre, but I can understand producers in a professional setting not wanting to take that step. Not that I approve - but I can understand.

    That being said, there was a girl in the year above me at my performing arts high school who was a dance major with a hearing impairment. She was in the highest levels and performed to the standard of everyone else in her class, and also performed in an outside hip-hop group that's well-known in our city. And in the musical I'm in at my college now, one of our ensemble members has a disability that affects his movement. Despite the fact that he uses a wheelchair to get around our sprawling campus, he comes to rehearsals and dances for four hours with everyone else. I can't see a professional producer taking a chance on a performer who needs an aid to walk, even if he's ridiculously talented and can work to the standard that everyone else does. It's sad that that's the reality in the professional world... #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    @dc89: Disabled actors, including DB actors, perform around the world already. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Should Able-Bodied Actors Play Disabled Characters?
    On the show Breaking Bad, the main character's son has Cerebral Palsy. The actor who plays the role, RJ Mitt, has a mild form of Cerebral Palsy. While he must exaggerate his own condition to play the role of Walt Jr., it's one example I can think of of a disabled person acting the part of a disabled person. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    @staryberry: And he kicks ass at the role. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    @staryberry: The other one I thought of off the top of my head was Corky on Life Goes On. I think he was the first main character on a television series to have Down's Syndrome. Not too many since though! (This was late eighties, early nineties.) #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Should Able-Bodied Actors Play Disabled Characters?
    If we are going to say that able-bodied actors shouldn't play disabled roles, isn't the next step to say that disabled actors shouldn't play able-bodied roles?

    This seems like a slippery slope, no? #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    @twileen: No, because there's no power imbalance or dispaity there. There is no lack of able-bodied actors. There is no lack of able-bodied roles. The problem only runs in one direction. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Should Able-Bodied Actors Play Disabled Characters?
    I understand why they are so annoyed that a non-disabled actor was cast. It is not as if disabled actors are often considered for non-disabled parts. They have such limited opportunities to begin with that this almost completely closes the door.

    The only disabled actor I can think of who works regularly is Marlee Matlin. It seems most of the time, parts are adjusted for her because the producers want her but for an Academy Award winner she doesn't work that much. Without Children of a Lesser God, I doubt she ever would have gotten regular work. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Should Able-Bodied Actors Play Disabled Characters?
    About 6 months ago, I saw a play where all the actors were deaf and blind (well, a couple could see, and a couple could hear, but that's it). The play was written especially for these actors, and they very cleverly "made it work." For example, they beat a drum every time there was a scene change, and the actors knew to switch scenes based on the drum vibrations! And the actors talked in braille on each other's arms to communicate with each other.

    The whole play was little vignettes about being deaf-blind. Just shows that with some clever thinking, you can make a play work even with lots of actors with multiple disabilities.

    I know it's a special case, but it was still awesome so I wanted to mention it. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Should Able-Bodied Actors Play Disabled Characters?
    There are a couple different issues here. One is that people with disabilities should absolutely be cast in a variety of roles, rather than explicitly "disabled" ones. Someone mentioned Marlee Matlin - on the West Wing, she played a pollster who just happened to be deaf. In reality, disabled individuals hold a variety of jobs and do a variety of things independent of their disability - it's like casting a black woman to be a judge, say, rather than just sassy angry black lady. So - yes, we should cast disabled individuals in normal roles.

    In this particular instance, at the very least blind and/or deaf actresses should have been given the chance to audition - I'm not saying the role should only have gone to such an actress if she wasn't right for the part, but it's insulting to not consider it. The director is very explicit that he wanted a "name," which to me sounds like he didn't even consider hiring a disabled actress, since there are almost none with the starpower he was looking for. I understand financial considerations, but it's discriminatory - disabled individuals will never become famous if we don't give them opportunities, and a play about a well-known disabled individual is a perfect opportunity to give them that chance. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    @susanstohelit: I understand financial considerations, but it's discriminatory

    Eh. I would say it was discriminatory if he had also considered non-famous, non-disabled actresses for the part -- but he was adamant that he wanted a famous actress, not that he wanted a non-disabled actress. In this case, I don't think blind and deaf actresses are being discriminated against any more than struggling actresses looking for their big breaks. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    @egg cream: Except that to get their big break is a damned lot harder than for able-bodied actresses, because of this sort of discrimination. #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Should Able-Bodied Actors Play Disabled Characters?
    I am really surprised by the comments here. I actually do not think this is so different from casting a white person to play a POC; this is a role that a person with disabilities could play that is being taken by an able bodied person.

    Of course there are not many "big name" actors with disabilities - but doesn't this casting decision just serve to perpetuate that inequality? If a person with disabilities cannot even get cast to play a person with disabilities, how do we ever expect to have a big name star with disabilities? #helenkellerabigailbreslin
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