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    Image of Mrs. Jones Mrs. Jones
    01/06/09

    In reply to Fashion Writers: "Fat" People Lazy, Shiftless, Poorly Dressed
    Well, this explains the meth epidemic. All those fat, lazy, poor people who can't afford Phen-Fen are taking the shortcut to thin fabulousness!
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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    01/07/09

    @Mrs. Jones: I have to admit that I have been extremely discouraged about the use of meth or crack for weight loss. I've seen too many women who are addicts and who are fat. I don't know how they do it, but they do.
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    Image of madgetheripper madgetheripper
    01/06/09

    In reply to Fashion Writers: "Fat" People Lazy, Shiftless, Poorly Dressed
    At least here in Seattle, most of the worst-dressed people are frat guys and sorority girl types, at least they are the most likely to be wearing pjs and uggs (which are MAJORLY expensive, as is Victoria's Secret). Also, Americans traveling abroad could clearly afford international airfare, so the poverty argument doesnt apply.


    SHOP AT THRIFT STORES AND ROSS. It's bullshit to say you can't dress well if you aren't rich.

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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    01/07/09

    @madgetheripper: But frat guys and sorority girl types are kind of supposed to dress and act like idiots.
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    Image of Mafalda para Presidente Mafalda para Presidente
    01/06/09

    In reply to Fashion Writers: "Fat" People Lazy, Shiftless, Poorly Dressed
    Must we really be made to believe that comfort is an unacceptable factor in dressing, or that only chubby people take it into account when choosing clothes (skinny people like comfort, too).


    The way I see it, the only idiots are those who won't consider it, and end up walking throughout life in tight pants or feet-deforming shoes. There is no logic in wearing things that make you feel uncomfortable. None at all.


    Comfort, of course, is a relative term. What is comfortable for me is not comfortable for someone else. So fuck anyone who tries to tell others how to dress. Mind your own damn business.

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    Image of JennaW JennaW
    01/06/09

    In reply to Fashion Writers: "Fat" People Lazy, Shiftless, Poorly Dressed
    I was in Paris last year in March and we kicked around largely non-touristy areas and it was the off-season.


    I was surprised by how normal most peple looked (except everyone wore black -- ev*ery*one -- which strikes me as boring and too easy, fashion-wise). There were some hideously-dressed Parisians, fashionable Parisians, ordinary, unremarkably-dressed Parisians... just like HOME!


    Unlike home, every dog was incredibly well-behaved and the coffee was always fantastic.

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    Image of Alys Brangwin has a huge talent Alys Brangwin has a huge talent
    01/06/09

    @JennaW: I was there in December and there were so few tourists it was great. The longest line I stood in was for five minutes at the Louvre on the free Sunday. Whenever you can, travel in the low season.
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    Image of nyc-caribbean-ragazza nyc-caribbean-ragazza
    01/06/09

    In reply to Fashion Writers: "Fat" People Lazy, Shiftless, Poorly Dressed
    @ ricanhavoc ...for some reason I can't reply to post...yes the designer is Gaultier.
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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    01/06/09

    @nyc-caribbean-ragazza: Thank you for identifying him.
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    Image of nyc-caribbean-ragazza nyc-caribbean-ragazza
    01/06/09

    In reply to Fashion Writers: "Fat" People Lazy, Shiftless, Poorly Dressed
    My own personal experience?


    I think a lot of this depends where you live. In L.A. I dressed a lot more casually than I did when I lived in NYC.


    Now I live in Rome.


    I never leave the house in sweats/track pants unless I'm actually working out. People here are just not as sloppy. Even the men. It might be a cliche but it's what I've noticed. I won't go to the store for a quick errand without putting on some lipstick.


    In L.A. I would roll to the grocery store with my wet work out clothes, a bandana on my head and not give a crap about how I looked (maybe because I was depressed. ha). I would see fellow shoppers wearing Uggs and pj bottoms. I think I used to confuse sloppy with comfort. You can be comfy and not look like you rolled out of bed.


    Also getting older I want to look more put together. I think there is a time and place for everything. I don't think it's cute when men wear baseball caps all the time even to movie premieres or a nice restaurant.

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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    01/06/09

    @nyc-caribbean-ragazza: Amen to the baseball cap wearing thing.
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    Image of Cam/ron Cam/ron
    01/05/09

    In reply to Fashion Writers: "Fat" People Lazy, Shiftless, Poorly Dressed
    FWIW, Newsweek also complained about fashion "slobs" almost 15 years ago:


    [www.newsweek.com]

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    Image of ricanhavoc ricanhavoc
    01/05/09

    In reply to Fashion Writers: "Fat" People Lazy, Shiftless, Poorly Dressed
    Total aside: Who is that gorgeous, pre-Raphaelan moddle in the pic? Is that Gaultier? Me thinks me and my curves could totally rock that dress.
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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    01/05/09

    @ricanhavoc: Crystal Renn according to some of the other commenters. I don't know who the designer is, though.
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    Image of mbg1968 mbg1968
    01/05/09

    In reply to Fashion Writers: "Fat" People Lazy, Shiftless, Poorly Dressed
    My take on this issue:


    Fashion is less important in most modern Amercan's life BECAUSE most current fashion designers now are so pathetic at their job and in their art that they can only make thin and skeletal looking models look good in their creations.


    It takes a real artist and dress-maker--someone who is very good in the craft and design of dress-making to make the average slightly overweight person look more attractive, at least enough more attractive to justify that huge price tag!


    I just think most modern designers are lazy, myself. I would love to put them back in the days of Worth or Poiret or Schiaparelli and see them succeed. Can you say bankruptcy?


    Also fostering Self-hate and self-disgust is a huge growth industry! (Like the diet industry, self-help books, womens magazines, etc.) Fashion justifies its huge price tag by limiting itself to the elite. It used to be that the elite were whomsover were able to pay (usually over 40 matrons). The elite are now the rich stick-insects who are willing to justify that kind of price tag to themselves because "they deserve it!"

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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    01/05/09

    @mbg1968: Nicely said.
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    Image of Kitanne Kitanne
    01/05/09

    In reply to Fashion Writers: "Fat" People Lazy, Shiftless, Poorly Dressed
    Oh, poo, I'm a fat chick and I dress fucking awesome. The only elastic in my clothing is in my pj pants and I don't own anything with Velcro in it that doesn't require it (i.e. my camera case). I never appear in public without making sure I look presentable even if it's in a jeans and t-shirt and my manners are close to impeccable.


    Unlike other people's. I'm assuming he was not given the benefit of the etiquette lesson where you keep petty remarks to private conversations? Or where you seek to gently comment in a manner that is conversational rather than critical when observing a mistake in manners or dress? And that such criticisms should be made for the betterment of character rather than boosting one's feeling of superiority?

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    Image of ellaesther ellaesther
    01/05/09

    @Kitanne: Oooh, well put. I love the polite put down! Very cold, and very correct.
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    Image of ellaesther ellaesther
    01/05/09

    In reply to Fashion Writers: "Fat" People Lazy, Shiftless, Poorly Dressed
    Ah shit, I can't believe I didn't think of this sooner:


    Sameer Reddy, I throw my shoe at you!


    (See what I did there? See that? Ah, I kill me!)

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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    01/05/09

    @ellaesther: YES! (Was it a Manolo? If so, did you throw both of them?)
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    Image of ellaesther ellaesther
    01/05/09

    @Tart of Darkness: Oh no, darling. They were Payless! I'm certain the sting was that much worse.... Mwahaha!
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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    01/05/09

    @ellaesther: Perfect!
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    Image of sweetbeans sweetbeans
    01/05/09

    In reply to Fashion Writers: "Fat" People Lazy, Shiftless, Poorly Dressed
    I just read the Reddy article, and I have to say that I don't think it's very well represented here. Not that I'm defending him, but statements like"Reddy detests chubbiness", and that uncomfortable Mad Men-style clothing "doesn't trouble Reddy, probably because he is a man", aren't really borne out (in this example at least). In fact, he says of the mid-century wardrobe, "That kind of formality is dead, of course, and with good reason".


    Sure, he's infatuated with the leisure class, but I don't think that necessarily means he hates poor people. I think that his point was rather that a lot of Americans (rich and poor) look as if they have given up on elegance, which can be simple and comfortable.


    He says of women's clothing, "And nothing represents the classic Platonic ideal of American fashion than the wrap dress invented by Diane von Furstenberg... Functional yet feminine, it's ingeniously simple-and doesn't wrinkle." And for men, he recommends "pima-cotton sweatshirts and thin-wale corduroys guaranteeing comfort without the taste trade-off of athletic shorts." All of which is pretty much a rehash of "What Not To Wear" values.


    Personally, I don't think people should feel pressured to dress for anyone but themselves. Your value should be based on your actions, not your appearance.

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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    01/05/09

    @sweetbeans: The DvF dress is cute, but not really wearable if you actually have breasts. Or, rather it is wearable, but it's a very Real Housewives look if you do.
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    Image of TruthAndTheory TruthAndTheory
    01/05/09

    In reply to Fashion Writers: "Fat" People Lazy, Shiftless, Poorly Dressed
    I agree the article is harsh. But some things are true!


    Was it not George Bush Sr. who said "The American way of life is not up for negotiation?" He wasn't referring to our security, but more about us being accustomed to luxury goods that make our life so easy that we can't be bothered to lift a finger anymore. That's sad. Think of all the useless stuff sold on QVC. They all promote ease of life - comfort. That leads to us getting larger. And the more we buy, the more debt we get into. It's our own fault, but these things are related.


    Think of his credit-crisis statement in a different way. Many Americans no longer want to spend time cooking, it's easie, therefore more comfortable, to get a burger and fries from Mickey Ds. We buy bags of Doritos because it's easier than cutting up a watermelon. Our eating habits are centered around comfort. We buy useless goods from discount stores, because we think it'll help us do things faster.


    While his attitude seems to be anti-fat people, it actually makes sense. Maybe not complete sense, but he does have points in there.

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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    01/05/09

    @TruthAndTheory: I got larger when I became disabled by fibromyalgia and my thyroid went haywire. Spending a couple of years in bed pretty much knocked me down. I now have "metabolic syndrome" and am fighting to keep every aspect of my health in balance. I do not eat junk food on a regular basis. In fact, I eat a low fat, high fiber diet 90% of the time.


    Years ago, people didn't have the kind of thyroid problems that are now seen in younger generations all the time.


    I sometimes wonder if my screwed up thyroid has anything to do with all that nuclear testing in Nevada with the prevailing winds running east to west right here into southern California. Maybe sheep and sheep farmers weren't the only casualties.


    What makes this more interesting to me is that my sister who is a lifelong exercise buff...I mean really consistently and who never weighed more than 120 even pregnant and never watched what she ate is now fighting to maintain a weight of 138 and whose thyroid is marginal. Plus both of us would be considered at low risk for thyroid disease having grown up close to the ocean in proximity to free Iodine ions.


    My sister has also been diagnosed with "metabolic syndrome" but has fewer florid symptoms than I do.


    Both of our parents were slim and active all of their lives. They did physical work and ate what they felt like. My mother cooked nutritious, balanced meals that had a lot of butter in them but neither my sister or I was overweight as children.


    So, yeah, it could be the American condition. Similar to the Ukrainian condition, perhaps?

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    Image of amazoncowgirl amazoncowgirl
    01/05/09

    In reply to Fashion Writers: "Fat" People Lazy, Shiftless, Poorly Dressed
    Putting my hand up and admitting that I'm a "fatty" who is also reasonably fit (as much so I'd say as many "non-fatty" people are) and I like to dress well, stylish as opposed to fashionable.


    However....has dumbass rich american male columnist ever considered that many of these so-called fat unstylish people don't exactly have access to a wide range of flattering, stylish, affordable clothes because few people actually design, make or sell them?

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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    01/05/09

    @amazoncowgirl: You can get an amen from me on that.


    And high fashion designers will never design those clothes mostly because they have as an ideal a sketch of a 7 foot tall, 95 pound woman "because that's the only silhouette that looks good".


    I like the designers who admit that if they could they would show their clothes on hangers because the human body distorts their artistic vision.


    I don't like that women are trying to have figures like hangers in order to wear someone's artistic vision.


    I am way testy about this because I have a good friend who is anorexic and close to hospitalization and who is a wonderful, intelligent, loving, giving woman who cannot believe that she's small enough no matter how small she is. And inside me there's the same woman who wants to be her.

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    Image of Raspberry Swirly Raspberry Swirly
    01/05/09

    In reply to Fashion Writers: "Fat" People Lazy, Shiftless, Poorly Dressed
    Who is the woman in this picture? She's really pretty. Also, I'm fat, but I am well dressed, fuck you very much.
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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    01/05/09

    @Raspberry Swirl: Dance Party Coordinator: Crystal Renn according to some other commenters. I agree that she is lovely.
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