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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    05/30/09

    In reply to A Career Romance For Young Moderns: Peggy Parker, Girl Inventor
    If revisionism is going to be applied to books, movies, etc., on the basis of race, then I guess we need to do that for sexism too, no? Which means about 97% of old books, tv shows etc. will have to go.

    How do you decide only some offensive material has to go, but not all of it? The writers were products of their times.
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    Image of Sister Toldja Sister Toldja
    05/30/09

    @Novaload Misses Murilee: I don't advocate revisonist history, I just opt out of reading certain things. I feel that I have a very good grasp of what slavery's ills looked like (from both sides) and that a piece of fiction isn't going to do much for my understanding, nor my spirit. I'd rather read non-fiction books that delve into the slaveowner mentality than reading novels about it. I'd gladly read a novel, however, by a White person from that era who was anti-slavery/racism and if someone has one to suggest, I am all ears. And for everyone who feels that GWTW is such an important book, I'd be interested to know how many books by Black writers of that period you have read.
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    Image of Rare Affinity Rare Affinity
    05/29/09

    In reply to A Career Romance For Young Moderns: Peggy Parker, Girl Inventor
    This is why I always have a problem with people going on about how Gone with the wind was one of the greatest films of all times. Seems like we are supposed to root for a Southern family who tragically lost their wealth when slavery was abolished. It makes me wonder whether in a few decades time Germans will make a film about a family in the 1930s who prospered by appropriating property confiscated from the Jews only to lose everything when the Third Reich collpased.
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    Image of stacyinbean stacyinbean
    05/29/09

    @Rare Affinity: You can love a story without necessarily "rooting" for a character/group of characters, I think.
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    05/29/09

    @Rare Affinity: actually I think that would be a really fascinating movie.
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    Image of Sister Toldja Sister Toldja
    05/29/09

    @Rare Affinity: Im with you. I cant get past the slavery element of GWTW, I refuse to see it.
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    05/29/09

    In reply to A Career Romance For Young Moderns: Peggy Parker, Girl Inventor
    what is a "haint"?
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    Image of NellMood NellMood
    05/29/09

    @bluebears: A haint is a ghost. Like a haunt.
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    Image of Lilah Lilah
    05/29/09

    @bluebears: I think it's a bastardization of "haunt". It means a ghost.
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    05/29/09

    @Lilah: @NellMood: was it a derogatory term for african-americans?
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    Image of Evie Havok Evie Havok
    05/29/09

    @bluebears: No, but I think what they're trying to say by haint, in this case, is "spook" which is a derogatory word for black people.
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    Image of NellMood NellMood
    05/29/09

    @bluebears: Not that I know of. Where I grew up a lot of people followed a gullah tradition of painting their window frames and door frames a color called haint blue, which was supposed to keep ghosts out of the house.
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    05/29/09

    @Evie Havok: ah.
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    Image of casi nadie (loves MCC forever) casi nadie (loves MCC forever)
    05/29/09

    @bluebears: No. It's a holdover from a stereotype that slaves were superstitious and obsessed with ghosts. It's mocking African American speech patterns.
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    Image of wtfox?! wtfox?!
    05/29/09

    @Evie Havok: Oh, I thought it was that they were scared by the ghosts that were supposed to live on the farm (or plantation or whatever), because of how [begin sarcasm] black people are all uneducated and superstitious and stuff.
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    05/29/09

    @NellMood: ok, I feel dumb but what is "gullah?"
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    Image of NellMood NellMood
    05/29/09

    @Evie Havok: I thought the implication was that the two people afraid of haints were black, and they were badly drawn caricatures.
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    Image of saintbernadette saintbernadette
    05/29/09

    @Evie Havok: I don't think it has anything to do with that connection. I think it's more of a slam to black people for being superstitious and incapable of proper pronunciation.
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    05/29/09

    @wtfox?!: I sort of thought that might be the case as well but I have to say the "haunt" -- "spook" comparison did cross my mind as well.


    on the other hand its sort of nice when racist sayings fall so far out of use that we have no idea what they're talking about.

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    Image of szielins szielins
    05/29/09

    @bluebears: The first two paragraphs of

    [en.wikipedia.org]


    The Gullah are African Americans who live in the Low Country region of South Carolina and Georgia, which includes both the coastal plain and the Sea Islands. Historically, the Gullah region once extended north to the Cape Fear area on the coast of North Carolina and south to the vicinity of Jacksonville on the coast of Florida; but today the Gullah area is confined to the South Carolina and Georgia Low Country. The Gullah people are also called Geechee, after the Ogeechee River near Savannah, Georgia. The term Geechee is most commonly used in Charleston, South Carolina.


    The Gullah are known for preserving more of their African linguistic and cultural heritage than any other African American community in the United States. They speak an English-based creole language containing many African loanwords and significant influences from African languages in grammar and sentence structure. The Gullah language is related to Jamaican Creole, Bahamian Dialect, and the Krio language of Sierra Leone in West Africa. Gullah storytelling, foodways, music, folk beliefs, crafts, farming and fishing traditions, etc. all exhibit strong influences from West and Central African cultures.

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    Image of NellMood NellMood
    05/29/09

    @bluebears: Don't feel dumb! Gullah (also Geechee) is an African American culture in the low country of South Carolina and Georgia. A lot of the traditions within it are preserved from African traditions brought over during the slave trade. There's also a language called Gullah.
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    05/29/09

    @szielins: thanks! learn something new every day.
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    Image of Atomic Monkey Mouse Atomic Monkey Mouse
    05/29/09

    In reply to A Career Romance For Young Moderns: Peggy Parker, Girl Inventor
    I'm afraid to google "'haint".
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    Image of casi nadie (loves MCC forever) casi nadie (loves MCC forever)
    05/29/09

    @Atomic Monkey Mouse: It's a ghost.
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    Image of Trulymadlyme Trulymadlyme
    05/29/09

    In reply to A Career Romance For Young Moderns: Peggy Parker, Girl Inventor
    Sad. But not surprising. I actually think it's good that people read an accurate reflection of race in the past. Seemingly normal, good people were racists. And I think seeing that in print might remind all of us to check our own prejudices (see: prop 8).
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    05/29/09

    @Trulymadlyme: so true. my great aunt was an elementary school teacher back in the day (if she was still alive she would probably be near or at 100) and I once saw some of her old text books she had taught from (and kept in her house, she was a pack rat) and woof! talk about RACIST. and they were textbooks.
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    Image of battleaxonista...is a humorless bitch battleaxonista...is a humorless bitch
    05/29/09

    In reply to A Career Romance For Young Moderns: Peggy Parker, Girl Inventor
    A minority group has always been capable, and always will be capable, of being a complete douchebag to other minorities.
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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    04/03/09

    In reply to A Career Romance For Young Moderns: A Flair For People
    OMG!!! I love these kinds of novels!!! Where did you find this? I want a million of them! My favorite was about a woman who moved to the big city to become a model: She had violet eyes!!!! But her aunt that she moves in with makes her DO DISHES and she's terrified she'll ruin her nails. So she buys RUBBER GLOVES.


    Oh, those were the good old days...before women had to get botox, wear violet contact lenses and just buy rubbers.

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    Image of tscheese tscheese
    04/03/09

    In reply to A Career Romance For Young Moderns: A Flair For People
    Isn't this the plot of "The City"?
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    Image of meritxell: an erotic life meritxell: an erotic life
    04/03/09

    In reply to A Career Romance For Young Moderns: A Flair For People
    What's the obsession with a "pleasant speaking voice"? Oh, what the 50s would do with my Joplinesque whisky growl.
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    Image of Aesop's Foibles. YES. Aesop's Foibles. YES.
    04/03/09

    In reply to A Career Romance For Young Moderns: A Flair For People
    Why is Dorcas not a name anymore? It sounds so nice.


    Dorcas. Dor-cas. DORcas.


    See? It's nice.

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    Image of hello.kitty hello.kitty
    04/03/09

    @..now it's just Aesop's Foibles.: DORK-kiss is how my kids would pronounce.
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    Image of LolaQuinn is full of beans LolaQuinn is full of beans
    04/06/09

    @..now it's just Aesop's Foibles.: Is it not pronounced like "Dorkus"?
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    Image of cirocco cirocco
    04/03/09

    In reply to A Career Romance For Young Moderns: A Flair For People
    Ann encounters her boss, Mrs. DeLacey (who "was probably sixty but looked forty, with white hair as satiny as her pearls, a trim, slim, commanding woman"), Chips, and her roommate, the wholesome Dorcas. They move into what, the super explains "apologetically," used to be a loft...


    All four of them moved into a refurbed loft? Odd. But very progressive, in 1950s terms, for Ann and Chips to live together without the benefit of marriage. I suppose Mrs. DeLacey kept any hanky-panky from transpiring.

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    Image of MarissaExplainsItAll MarissaExplainsItAll
    04/03/09

    In reply to A Career Romance For Young Moderns: A Flair For People
    Thank you Sadie! This book sounds perfect for me! New summer reading list has started early!
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    Image of Princess Leela Princess Leela
    04/03/09

    In reply to A Career Romance For Young Moderns: A Flair For People
    On orders from the store physician [Minnie] was eating to gain weight.


    Wait, what? No South Beach diet? No Master Cleanse? Does not compute.

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    Image of SomeAuthorGirl SomeAuthorGirl
    04/03/09

    @Princess Leela: Also: store physician?
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    Image of waywardgirl waywardgirl
    04/03/09

    In reply to A Career Romance For Young Moderns: A Flair For People
    So... it's a progressive, pro-Union, career-girl romance set in a doll factory? I am so there.
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    Image of SarahHeartburn SarahHeartburn
    04/03/09

    @waywardgirl: @Princess Leela: Sort of makes you see how freaky today's world really is. Not that I'd want to go back to pre-feminist, pre-civil rights days; I'm no nostalgist. But a 5 minutes look-see on the web and life in 2009 seems positively deranged, doesn't it?


    Union shop. HA!

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    Image of MarissaExplainsItAll MarissaExplainsItAll
    04/03/09

    @waywardgirl: She's doing what I'm in college for! Must Read Book!
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    Image of TheFormerJuneBronson TheFormerJuneBronson
    04/03/09

    @waywardgirl: These seriously need to be reprinted. I never find them in the secondhand shops.
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    Image of tinydundie42 tinydundie42
    04/03/09

    In reply to A Career Romance For Young Moderns: A Flair For People
    She sounds like a female Michael Scott. But less cool, with more makeup.
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    Image of TheUptightMidwesterner TheUptightMidwesterner
    04/03/09

    @tinydundie42: ...and unlike Michael Scott, she would never be caught dead in a women's pantsuit.
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