Hey Kate, you can fire your publicist now. Your d-bag ex has singlehandedly redeemed you in my eyes. Yes, you were harsh to your immature brat of a helpmate, but he was next to useless. And now he is irresponsible and vindictive. You have my sympathies.
OK- quickly flipped thru comments. It's Star Wars numbnuts. The rebels 'strike back' at the evil empire in Star Wars not Star Trek. Jeez-- if this were comic con there would be way more heads explodin.
Plus they are terrible parents.
@Raised-byHeathens: That's what I noticed. It's like the interviewer is already a old man in the nursing home grumbling about these kids today with their bubble gum and rap music and Coca-Colas and the Star Tracks with the Darth Empires...
I'm not excusing either of them (although in the interest of full disclosure I have to admit that Jon annoys the heck out of me), but for context I'll just say this: my husband, who's a really active, involved dad, has, when our kids were babies/toddlers, gotten the brunt of my towering frustration when I was tired, overwhelmed, stressed, and he was just kind of standing there, not taking initiative, and asking me what he should do next. I'd feel like shaking him and shouting, "Just look around! If you can't see what needs to be done, then do us both a favor and get out of my way!!" Totally unfair, but coming from a place of such exhaustion that I could barely contain myself; when I was pushed to the limit by child rearing, and had no patience left over for my husband. And this was with a good guy, who wanted to help and was doing his best to get in there and do it! Add to that 6 additional kids and a weak, passive aggressive partner, and I can't imagine. I have empathy for Kate, despite her unattractive lashing out at Jon.
Ok, Jon Gosselin. Firstly, the expectation that you actually parent the eight children that you fathered is not "abusive." Your twenties are over because you are in your thirties and have EIGHT children. You do not get to live your life as if you are a college student anymore. Deal with it. Secondly, I know it seems vastly more important to you to get the public on your side than to be civil to your ex-wife, but the fact of the matter is, you have EIGHT CHILDREN that have eyes, ears and television sets and are probably devastated to hear their father speak of their mother and primary caregiver this way.
So. In short, sack it up and act like an adult. Most of us lost our collective patience with you a long time ago.
Having watched the show more than I should have, Kate was clearly the one who got everything done. Kids were fed (organic), clothes cleaned, and, frankly, college paid for because she was on the ball. She may not be warm or fuzzy, but it is evident that she is trying to be the provider.
I can't imagine being the one parent who is in charge of all of that and married to someone who waited for instructions. I don't think she was verbally abusive, I think she was overwhelmed, unsupported and married to a petulant toddler who needed as much hand holding as his youngest children. Maybe mean, but it is really frustrating when one parent is "in charge" and the other one is so passive.
If Kate has played the media/public into siding with her by not buying a too small apartment/car and running around on lavish trips with younger women or bad mouthing her ex, then point Kate.
And if the genders were reversed, I would feel the same way.
Wow.. Ok this video has made me come out of Jezebel commenter retirement. Jon is doing himself and his children and his image a disservice by talking crap about Kate. Regardless of whether it's true or not, he should not be publicly stating that he despises her. It's sad-- it seems like he was really in the heat of an intense emotion about his situation, but I'm sure he's going to regret this in the very near future.
@shiningstar: I'm just now reading this post (West Coast and all), and I think your sentiments are spot-on. Whatever his grief with Kate, she's his kids' mom, and they're going to hear this.
I'm 25, my parents have been divorced since I was 7, and I still can't stand to hear them rag on each other. If they want to get drunk and discuss the reasons that the marriage ended, acknowledging that they were both young and made mistakes? Fine, I'll listen and be supportive. They want to make cheap, current, ad hominem attacks about their former romantic partner, who happens to be my excellent parent? Please no. I hate to imagine the way these kids feel when they hear about this, and they most certainly will.
Awww, how sweet. If he wants to have any relationship with his kids in ten years, he needs to stop talking NOW. Publicly insulting their mother is pretty low in and of itself, but blaming his kids for harshing his buzz really crosses the line.
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: Yeah, if I heard my father bitching and whining about how hard it was, I'd be a little resentful, too.
It's not that he can't feel loss for his youth or something, but please, keep it to yourself, your close friends, or a trained counselor. Your children don't need to hear it.
He's such a child. He needs to grow the f*ck up. Jon be an adult and stop talking about your marriage on television, your children will hear this and think you're an asshole.
This is just so fucking depressing. Divorce seems like one of the hardest thing people have to endure.. and these people are doing it with the world watching. I can't help but feel some empathy for them, even if they do come off as assholes most of the time.
I'm the most irritated by Chris Cuomo. He's all, "wow, look how she treats you like crap and goes all evil empire on you," as though Kate came up with the magazine's headline, and then backs off when Jon says he despises Kate, like, 'Oh, Mr. Gosselin! That's the mother of your children!" with the Scrooge McDuck dollar-signs all up in his eyeballs. The only thing that would have made him happier would be Jon showing off a book of Mad Libs with all the blanks filled in as "Kate," "bitch," and "emasculation."
Look, I used to watch the show and she was terrible to him and talked down to him PUBLICLY 98% of the time. I mean, it was like she hated him! I wouldn't let anyone talk to me the way that she did...so I would imagine after 10 years of marriage you can finally crack and be like "SHUT UP, LADY!"
That being said, he has handled this completely the wrong way. Acting like a 23 year old (I'm younger than him, don't have kids, and act more mature), jetting off to various places to "party," buying a 2-bedroom apt in Manhattan??? YOU HAVE KIDS, FOOL! You no longer can live that lifestyle. I'm a grownup too, Jon. That means I can't go back to college and go fuck half the guys at my favorite fraternity house. That would be really weird. But, you're doing that!
And no matter how much you hate that woman, she is the mother of your children. And being mean to her, is being mean to your kids. Trust me, I know. My dad was terribly mean to my mom and it hurt me just the same as if he was saying those things to me.
Bottomline is: Jon, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG! Get a house within 30 minutes of your kids, stop fucking everything in sight, and tell every news show that you love the mother of your children, you just aren't IN love with her. The End.
@JinxyMcDeath: I watched the show and he was an infant then too who refused to act like an adult and deal with the kids on any real level. She reacted like any type a perfectionist and yelled at him, but at least she was open with her feelings. He could have been an adult and said, "Kate when you yell at me like that, it only makes me want to be more passive aggressive, can you allow me to make decisions for our family too?" He didn't, he decided to go and act more like a child and shirk his familial responsibilities even more.
Why keep doing these interviews, Whineypants? Why do all this stupid shit so your kids can see it all on TV and online? Oh, wait! I know! Because you're more worried about your C-level tabloid reputation than the psychological wellbeing of your children. Trying to relive your lost 20s with pool parties, Michael Lohan and a motorcycle must really be worth it.
Note to Jon: Man up!!! You're not owed a free-and-happy 20's. Your path through life is dictated by your actions. It's not like you went to have one more child after the twins and Kate willed the other 5 into existence.
If you wanted to fart around, hang out with your buds, and date women 10+ years younger than you, then you should not have married Kate. So, get over yourself, and get it back on track.
@NefariousNewt a.k.a. General Awesomesauce: I would maybe feel a tiny bit more sympathy if the twins had been a surprise pregnancy, but he agreed to the IUI for those girls even though he was young. He made his choice and now he needs to man up, stop whining, and deal.
I got married at 20, which was crazy, and had a surprise pregnancy- which I decided to keep- at 21. When I got married I thought I was ready, I wasn't interested in the party scene and all that. I imagine Jon felt the same way. I did think my husband and I would have more adventures alone together before kids came along, but for now our kids are our greatest adventure. I'm 29 now and sometimes I wish I had been able to enjoy more carefree time, not been saddled with a mortgage and small dependents so young. It's fine to have those feelings, but it's not AT ALL okay to air them on national TV where your kids are sure to hear. Jon made his choices and now he has to STFU and deal.
@AnotherJenn: It's amazing how so many people like this think there's some "script" they are supposed to be following, and if they skip over a section, they can go back and pick that part back up. He isn't in his 20's anymore -- his choices denied him that lifestyle. I grew up in a hurry and my childhood was not very child-like -- there's really no going back for me now. We have to accept that time passes, and the life we have is the life we chose through our decisions.
@NefariousNewt a.k.a. General Awesomesauce: "The life we have is the life we chose," yes! This! It's not too late to change some things. I am slowly working my way through college so I can have a career I'll enjoy. We can all find fun if we look for it. But you can't go back to being an irresponsible twit after you have kids. You just can't. You're hurting way too many people.
Lots of people never have the luxury of being irresponsible ever. It's not a right.
Didn't Jon and Kate choose to have eight kids? They used fertility treatments and chose not to undergo selective embryo reduction. Because science is GOOD when it's helping you overcome natural infertility, but it's BAD when doctors are saying, "Hey, maybe not a good idea to bring 6 artificially implanted embryos to term." So yeah, these people (Jon & Kate) DO NOT GET TO COMPLAIN about having so many kids. STFU and take care of the damn kids you chose to bring into this world, you selfish, whiny, fame-whoring losers. "Bye-bye twenties"—cry me a fucking river. You chose to give up your twenties, now suck it up.
@Kivrin: I agree. We all make choices. Some choices are REALLY stupid. REALLY stupid choices have bad consequences. I had this figured out when I was a kid. They don't have my sympathy.
@greengrey: To be fair, I haven't heard Kate whining about having all these kids she doesn't want. She's always said that the kids are her number one priority. Whether her actions bear this out or not is another issue. But at least she's not publicly regretful of the choice that they made to bring all eight embryos to term.
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So. In short, sack it up and act like an adult. Most of us lost our collective patience with you a long time ago.
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I can't imagine being the one parent who is in charge of all of that and married to someone who waited for instructions. I don't think she was verbally abusive, I think she was overwhelmed, unsupported and married to a petulant toddler who needed as much hand holding as his youngest children. Maybe mean, but it is really frustrating when one parent is "in charge" and the other one is so passive.
If Kate has played the media/public into siding with her by not buying a too small apartment/car and running around on lavish trips with younger women or bad mouthing her ex, then point Kate.
And if the genders were reversed, I would feel the same way.
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I'm 25, my parents have been divorced since I was 7, and I still can't stand to hear them rag on each other. If they want to get drunk and discuss the reasons that the marriage ended, acknowledging that they were both young and made mistakes? Fine, I'll listen and be supportive. They want to make cheap, current, ad hominem attacks about their former romantic partner, who happens to be my excellent parent? Please no. I hate to imagine the way these kids feel when they hear about this, and they most certainly will.
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Awww, how sweet. If he wants to have any relationship with his kids in ten years, he needs to stop talking NOW. Publicly insulting their mother is pretty low in and of itself, but blaming his kids for harshing his buzz really crosses the line.
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It's not that he can't feel loss for his youth or something, but please, keep it to yourself, your close friends, or a trained counselor. Your children don't need to hear it.
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That being said, he has handled this completely the wrong way. Acting like a 23 year old (I'm younger than him, don't have kids, and act more mature), jetting off to various places to "party," buying a 2-bedroom apt in Manhattan??? YOU HAVE KIDS, FOOL! You no longer can live that lifestyle. I'm a grownup too, Jon. That means I can't go back to college and go fuck half the guys at my favorite fraternity house. That would be really weird. But, you're doing that!
And no matter how much you hate that woman, she is the mother of your children. And being mean to her, is being mean to your kids. Trust me, I know. My dad was terribly mean to my mom and it hurt me just the same as if he was saying those things to me.
Bottomline is: Jon, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG! Get a house within 30 minutes of your kids, stop fucking everything in sight, and tell every news show that you love the mother of your children, you just aren't IN love with her. The End.
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If you wanted to fart around, hang out with your buds, and date women 10+ years younger than you, then you should not have married Kate. So, get over yourself, and get it back on track.
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I got married at 20, which was crazy, and had a surprise pregnancy- which I decided to keep- at 21. When I got married I thought I was ready, I wasn't interested in the party scene and all that. I imagine Jon felt the same way. I did think my husband and I would have more adventures alone together before kids came along, but for now our kids are our greatest adventure. I'm 29 now and sometimes I wish I had been able to enjoy more carefree time, not been saddled with a mortgage and small dependents so young. It's fine to have those feelings, but it's not AT ALL okay to air them on national TV where your kids are sure to hear. Jon made his choices and now he has to STFU and deal.
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Lots of people never have the luxury of being irresponsible ever. It's not a right.
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