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ms.creant
10/07/09

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Oh, no. I just realized why it should be Ben---the constant deaths of children at the hands of their parents so far in the series. Ben is special in that he's both directly caused the death of his father Roger and (indirectly) his daughter--as well as forced the death of Locke's father. So now I'm speculating that Jacob is both Ben and Locke's father, and Locke forced Ben to kill their dear, weird, ageless papa.
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lalie (apologetic mess)
10/07/09

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I just realized how long it's been since I've watched LOST. I think I stopped in the middle of the "Oceanic 6" season?

Now I can't decide between trying to catch up now or waiting until the show is over so I can just marathon the shit out of it.

Current fans: is it worth it to catch up to now?
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theysaidwhat
10/07/09

@lalie (apologetic mess): YES! If you made all the way to halfway through season 4, don't you want to watch the final season along with the rest of us so you can talk endlessly in circles with other fans, explaining your fantastic theories that will usually be blown to crap by the next week's installment?

Come on! :)
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BabyJane
10/07/09

@lalie (apologetic mess): I had fallen behind at one point and ended up renting an entire season from Netflix and it was great. It allows you to watch the episodes back-to-back, which I found made it easier to follow than waiting a week or more in between shows. Do it!
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gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy
10/07/09

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I don't care who it is, I just want to see more Desmond. Every episode, all episode, preferably with his shirt off.
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BabyJane
10/07/09

@gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy: I'm with you on that!
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Oceanic
10/07/09

@gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy: For. Real. Or, just "The Constant" over, and over, and over, and over...
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Ruby_de_la_Booby
10/07/09

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I think it needs to be a character we are somewhat attached to, for it to have impact. For that reason, I am nixing Bram, Caesar, and Illana off my list. My vote is for Ben.

Jesus, what am I going to do when this show goes off the air!!!!
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HarpMadness
10/07/09

@Ruby_de_la_Booby: It's ok. You'll get through it. I've done it before. You will start to discover things about yourself. Like that you're married or have a pet. You'll discover things about the world, like that the sky is sometimes blue.

That only lasts for a while, though, and then they come out with something else to suck you back in.
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Maritsa
10/07/09

@HarpMadness: True. I was bereft after Buffy went off the air, but along came Lost the next year.
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missing_piece
10/07/09

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Maybe it's Jack's grandfather. I've wondered why they had that one random episode with him when Jack got the shoes he put on Locke's body. He could have also been a red herring. I don't know.

I know he's not on the list, but I've seen spoilers that were misleading before, so it's possible.

I really hate having to wait until January for Lost to come back!
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RedLineRage
10/07/09

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It's Locke. We've never seen his biological father. The kidney stealer isn't his real father.
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coffee milk
10/07/09

@RedLineRage: Wait, yes he is. He's just a crappy real father.
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RedLineRage
10/07/09

@coffee milk: Can you explain why you think the kidney stealer is his biological father? I always got the sense that he wasn't... especially from the scene where John's mother gives him up for adoption. Richard was there at the hospital, and the unseen "father" (who was much older than John's mother) was insinuated to be present. I originally thought the real father was Alvar what's-his-name, the original funder of the Dharma initiative, but this would also make sense...
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CurtCole
10/07/09

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I'm hoping Juliet, just so she's not dead.
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BabyJane
10/07/09

@CurtCole: I have a feeling they'll bring her back, although didn't she take a role on another series that starts this fall?
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RedLineRage
10/07/09

@BabyJane: V!!
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HarpMadness
10/07/09

@RedLineRage: Is it bad that I am also sort of excited about V? Tell me it's ok.
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CurtCole
10/07/09

@RedLineRage: Yeah, she's apparently the lead character as well. Some sources say she will only guest star on Lost's final season.
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Oceanic
10/07/09

@CurtCole: I hope that she's alive. HOWEVER, if she is dead, at least she went out taking names. So badass.
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CherriSpryte
10/07/09

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I think the "haha secret adoption!" idea is too cheap for LOST to do, so anyone who's father we've already seen is out - Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Juliet, Hurley and Ben are mentally crossed off. Sayid and Michael as well due to ethnicity.
Which leaves me with Bram, Desmond, Caesar, Illana and Richard Alpert.
After perusing Lostpedia, my money's on Illana.
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delirium.megans
10/07/09

@CherriSpryte: I think Illana is very likely. In that scene in the hospital last season, they seemed to know each other very well.
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Norma Neufner Lady Officer
10/07/09

@delirium.megans: Yah but don't you think that the child of Jacob doesn't know their the child of Jacob? That seems to be the way Lost does it.
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amoureuse est heureuse
10/07/09

@CherriSpryte: I think Illana is maybe a former lover. My money is on Ben.
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CherriSpryte
10/07/09

@Norma Neufner Lady Officer: Oh, I think they don't know, but I think they'll take the "I never knew my father" route, not "Mom had an affair".
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CherriSpryte
10/07/09

@amoureuse is a second class citizen: Ben makes too much sense. As does Alpert.
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bitchplz
10/07/09

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I hope it's not Kate.
Fuck Kate.
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The Queen of No
10/07/09

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Didn't Richard Alpert come in on that ship? Don't think it's him.
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HarpMadness
10/07/09

@The Queen of No: I thought that was pretty much just fan speculation that stuck. I could be wrong. I'm currently rewatching the whole series so I'll be keeping an eye out. :)
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ms.creant
10/07/09

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Wasn't Jacob the father of Benjamin in the Bible? LOST loves to trade in religious & mythical storylines.
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hortense
10/07/09

@ms.creant: Yes.
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Norma Neufner Lady Officer
10/07/09

@hortense: ohhh i like your thinking here. Very smart.

And even though we've seen Ben's past, it could easily be explained that maybe he wasn't born of Roger and his wife, but instead Roger was made to be his 'father' and that's why he resented him so much? I know that it somewhat showed Roger's wife dying in labour but maybe Roger was given an ultimatum by Jacob and she had to die because she was merely a conduit for Ben to be born...

uhh, sorry, I still "suffer" from an overactive imagination (and wish that I wrote for this show).
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missing_piece
10/07/09

@ms.creant: I agree - you may have a winner.
From Wikipedia:

Rachel went into a difficult labor with her second son, Benjamin. The midwife tells her in the middle of the birth that her child is a boy.[2] Before she died, Rachel named her son Ben Oni ("son of my mourning"), but Jacob called him Ben Yamin (Benjamin). Rashi explains that Ben Yamin either means "son of the right" (i.e., "south"), since Benjamin was the only one of Jacob's sons born in Canaan, which is to the south of Paddan Aram; or it could mean "son of my days," as Benjamin was born in Jacob's old age.

Although Ben's mother's name was Emily, so who the hell knows. I think you have the best theory so far though.
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missing_piece
10/07/09

@ms.creant: From Lostpedia:

A painting of a woman who looks similar to Emily is briefly seen in Roger's and young Ben's barrack. In the painting she's holding a rodent-like creature that may be a hamster or guinea pig. ("The Man Behind the Curtain")

Eloise?

Now I'm just going insane.
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ms.creant
10/07/09

@missing_piece: thanks for providing the background info. also of note:
-The Statue on the Island looks ancient Egyptian-esque (the Biblical story of Joseph and Benjamin takes place in Egypt, and Jacob eventually settles in Egypt.)

I could go on and on about the possible Biblical parallels (Locke as Joseph, Jacob and wrestling with the Angels, etc) but I'd drive myself itchy. Ben is my smack, and LOST is my dealer. :)
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missing_piece
10/07/09

@ms.creant: Are you secretly a writer for lost? Carlton? Damon? Is that you? ;)
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boatdock.bearcat
10/07/09

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But we saw that flashback with Juliet where her parents were getting divorced, right? I guess she could have been adopted and just not known it...And caesar's dead.

I'd say Richard, but I feel like he didn't come out of a uterus, he just kind of materialized one day with gorgeous eyes.

But Illana is looking for Jacob, right? She seems to know way more than she's letting on. I think she's going to be important. My vote is her. Wasn't she carrying around Locke's body?

It's been so long since the last ep, I'm trying so hard to remember what happened. Can't wait for February!!!!
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gracie1117
10/07/09

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I think it might be Desmond. I can't explain why, but his presence on the island and his connection to it, thru Penny, Charles Widmore etc, makes me think it could be him.

OR Richard Alpert, because he doesn't seem to age just like Jacob, perhaps its a hereditary trait?

Both of these characters weren't touched by Jacob, if I remember correctly.

I could try and solve this puzzle all day and probably be wrong in the end because LOST is a clusterfuck of confusing goodness that I love/can't wait for.
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LucilleMcGillicuddy
10/07/09

@gracie1117: I'll touch Desmond. Rawr.
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Maritsa
10/07/09

@gracie1117: Desmond is my vote too. Since he's such a special snowflake, maybe this is the reason why.
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Jenn2D2
10/07/09

@gracie1117: I keep thinking Desmond, if just because he seems to be able to influence people right at the point of decisions (his meeting with Jack, right before he goes on his sailing trip), and unlike others, he seems to have an (albeit small) ability to actually change things as he's skipping through time.
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mipsy6
10/07/09

@gracie1117: I kind of vote for Desmond, too. No specific reason why, but he just seems the most likely. It would be nice if it was a woman, though. LOST has been a little patriarchal, so it would be cool to mix it up.
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Rose.Selavy.Needs.A.Drink
10/07/09

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Vincent for the woof!
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BabyJane
10/07/09

@Rose.Selavy.Needs.A.Drink: I'm so curious as to how they'll tie Vincent in at the end. He was such a big part of the series in the beginning. I hope they don't have him basically disappear like Rose and Bernard.
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HarpMadness
10/07/09

@BabyJane: I miss Rose and Bernard but I was glad that they gave them a happy ending and I would almost hate to see that taken away by them getting pulled back into the drama. They're together, both healthy, living in the tropics ... sounds perfect to me.
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BabyJane
10/07/09

@HarpMadness: That's a nice way to look at their storyline, I think I'll adopt your attitude!
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CherriSpryte
10/07/09

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Wait, sorry, who's Bram? ... Or I could use Lostpedia: [lostpedia.wikia.com]
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HarpMadness
10/07/09

@CherriSpryte: It would be nice to see Richard Alpert get a little more play on the show. And not just because of Nestor Carbonell. ;) He did tell Locke that he doesn't age because of Jacob ... which could fit in to him being his child.
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HarpMadness
10/07/09

@HarpMadness: Whoops! Reply fail! That should go below...

In reply to your comment, though, Lostpedia has stopped my mind from exploding several times.
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