Chris Brown would really do good to just sit with the reality of what he has done. He can't talk it away, can't make it better or ok. The damage has been done and he can't truly accept responsibility until he recognizes that and just stops with this incessant public apologizing and justifying and passive denial of the reality of what he did.
Chris needs a serious dose of Zen...and I mean that in the real sense of the word. That is, he needs to be able to just BE with the reality of what he did, not try to constantly escape from it by proving his love for the woman he beat or asking for forgiveness or incessantly talking about how this is "not him." It is him. It may be difficult to look into that abyss, Chris, but you really have to.
I honestly feel neither Chris nor Rihanna are great spokespeople(?) for domestic violence, since both have ulterior motives (selling records). I'm done "sympathizing" with one and persecuting another. It's not helping the cause.
I think the media should stop spotlighting them as the example and find victims and abusers who are less focused on damage control and turn the dialogue back to the real issue.
Much like Tiger's situation, I feel that they should stop giving either of them a soapbox to spew their passive-aggressive PR spin.
@kookla: I find it hard to take Chris Brown seriously at all. I truly don't know if that kid understands the situation, still, and he's doing what he's told to save his career. Just like Rihanna said, he grew up to "yes's" and was a rich, famous kid from an early age. His perception of reality and of what his status in the world (ie. he seems to still think he is the shit and is better than everyday non-famous people...that's only my opinion) appears to be skewed.
@kookla: Unfortunately they aren't perfect examples, but their imperfections are there. We can't just ask for a clear-cut victim to sympathise with, these things are often muddied and grey and complicated.
@freckles: You also have to understand that this guy was in show business at a very young age. I'm assuming he had zero to no formal education. Everyone keeps talking about how inarticulate he is and he's not saying the right things. I'm not giving him a pass, but I'm saying between that and his immaturity, combined with the shitty advice he's getting from his handlers, he's just clueless.
I'm looking at this situation from the perspective of a mother with a 16-year old son. There's nothing in Brown's behavior that makes me believe he's not remorseful.
@DexterHaven: Between Chris' apology tour and Rihanna's contradicting actions, especially in her recent comments about girls sexting their boyfriends, they are just mucking up the process.
I'm sick of both of them. There are real victims out there with no voice. Let's get back to the real issue.
@kad9k: I did. But why did she wait until she had a record to promote to speak out?
The thing with Rihanna is she says she wants to set an example for other women in her situation and then she makes damning comments like she feels sorry for any guy whose girl doesn't send them nude pictures. Talk about sending mixed signals.
Let's find people who actually want to help the cause. It's pretty obvious that Rihanna and Chris want to move past this and continue with their careers.
@kookla: You make some good points, but not every victim is perfect. And they shouldn't be told to stay silent, just because they aren't a perfect spokesperson.
@curiousgeorgiana: No, no no!! I'm not saying they should stay silent. I'm saying let's move on from these two already. Of course it won't happen since the media loves beating a dead horse.
@kookla: I agree that they are overexposed. As an abuse victim though, I have admired Rihanna's courage and frank interviews. As long as she wants to keep talking, I'm okay with it.
I admit I'd rather hear more from average men and women who have been abused, but Rihanna's story is no less "real" than mine.
@curiousgeorgiana: Yes. I agree Rihanna's story is very real and I don't want her to stop being the "voice" of domestic violence. But, the only reason this is such a "big deal" is because they're famous. This is a Page Six scandal and there are lots of victims who don't even make the news. The carefully worded statements and the interviews are tiptoeing around the issue.
And let me also add, that I have not only stayed in a women's shelters in my 20s, but I have volunteered ever since. I know both sides of the story. And I think that the only reason they are making this such a "big" deal is because they're famous.
Rihanna is clearly the victim int his situation, but Chris Brown is the dead horse.
@kookla: Seriously. And until I hear something more sincere out of his mouth, he can shut it.
That guy needs to do some self-reflection and start talking about what he did not what "happened" to him. But I've been saying that for months, so I'm not holding my breath. He just trying to salvage a career.
I hear what Rhianna is saying but I kinda feel like she's giving him an out with the Dr. Jeckyl / Mr. Hyde nature of the abuse.
I say this as someone who has never experienced domestic violence but I think the "he turned into another person when he beat me" excuses people from their atrocious behavior.
@winner: it's a common reaction for the abuse victim to try and separate the "evil" and the "good" side. Much like a small child does when his or hers parent hit them. Just understandable coping.
@winner: I agree. I think it's complicated, because whatever helps her cope is fine, but when you consider how her experience has impacted fellow abuse victims/survivors - apparently, according to the jump in hotline calls cited by the GMA piece - she should be careful with putting that kind of message out there, that might influence someone to justify why someone abuses while they're still in that dangerous relationship. However Rihanna views the assault, and the relationship as a whole, is her own business, but when she's airing it out in a public forum she has to consider the possible audience. The thing that annoys me most is it seems like the interview used that clip to set up Chris with a softball question and a way out of taking full responsibility for his atrocious behavior. It's not okay to use her words that way, to give him an out.
@winner: But that's what it feels like when the person who says he loves you and that you're his world, he's never been so happy abruptly turns against you. The man who abused me was so sweet, at the start -- he asked me the name of my late parent; he noticed that I pushed the carrots out of my stir-fry and told me how he'd make sure nothing he cooked me had the offending item (and he did in fact spontaneously cook for me); he told me about his dream of waking up and doing a crossword with my help some Sunday morning, etc. etc. etc.
It was months after I left the relationship before I realized that the reason I was living in terror and behaving completely out of character was because he picked me up and showed me how he was going to kill me. It took me another few weeks to realize that the months of boiling showers, the sense that I would never be clean again, the bruises, the being held down after I said no, the flashbacks and nightmares -- Oh. I was sexually assaulted.
I was really, really lucky, because my abuser became abusive days after we started dating, when I stopped being his dream girl because I was no longer 24/7 available. (I had the flu.) I was able to escape much of the "holding on to the dream" stage, because there was no dream to hold on to; as far as I knew, he'd seemed cool, and then he was a jackass, permanently, and I was in trouble all the time. But when he first turned abusive, I did think -- This isn't who he was before! I must have made him so angry! What am I doing wrong! I have to fix this right now! (Which later became: Fabulous, he's pissed off about something again and now I have to pretend to care so that maybe, in four hours, he'll let me go home after demanding physical affection and telling me what a frigid bitch I am.)
As I said, I never liked my boyfriend very much, because he was -- a douchebag of a human being, and then also an asshole abuser. But in the confusing slide between "oh my gosh, I have my first boyfriend?" and "why do I feel like shit all the time," the way he'd suddenly get sulky, petulant, complaining, angry, dangerous when I fucked up... I did think I must have done something very wrong, because there was a marked personality shift. And then I just pissed him off all the time and that became the default, so I wanted out. (But of course it took me forever and in the end I just goaded him into breaking up with me -- he thought it would be punishment -- because I was too frightened to say, "I want out of this relationship.") What I'm trying to say is that -- excuse though it may seem, I do think I understand where that Jekyll/Hyde sense comes from, and I only barely experienced it. Had my abuser been the more classic type and actually been sweet after blow ups, I think I'd have seen the pattern even more. As it was, I caught myself saying the same lines every abused woman does, including -- "I don't even understand, one moment we're fine and then he's telling me I used the wrong tone and I don't even know why I'm apologizing, but I am."
@winner: Sometimes it feels like they really do turn into a different person. If all abusers looked like abusers, or acted like abusers from the start, we wouldn't have as many problems.
I don't think acknowledging that my ex and I had good times together in addition to the years of abuse excuses his behavior. It just allows me to see how I fell in love with him, and how those mixed feelings combined with fear made it so hard to leave.
It's the most terrifying thing: that the man who cooks you breakfasts, spends an hour brushing your hair, lays with you under the stars talking about the future, can be the same man that beats you. His is the same person, but it doesn't feel that way when you remember the good and the bad.
@franzen: I will never understand what you went through and I respect your feelings. I just can't comprehend feeling that way about someone; I tend to be judicious to a fault and the idea of compartmentalizing a person's treatment of you is foreign to me.
The reason I can't quite comprehend this is because my father left when I was young and as soon as my sense of security is threatened, I am done. Years of therapy have finally paid off and I'm in the best, healthiest relationship of my life. This man has never raised his voice, let alone his hand. As much as I love him, I have little doubt that old flight mechanism would kick in if he ever did.
@winner: You're probably right-- I think once you've had an experience like that that violated your trust you are more aware of warning signs.
My current boyfriend punched a wall once (fighting with his brother, long story) and I cowered against a wall instinctively. It's a hard thing to overcome once you've experienced abuse or abandonment. I'm glad therapy helped and you are in such a healthy relationship!
I think it speaks to the kind of world we live in that this guy gets to resurrect his entire career with softly lit GMA interviews less than a year after he beat his famous girlfriend in a horrific fashion.
I call bullshit (or at least a total lack of self-awareness) on "I've never had a history of domestic violence with any of my past girlfriends."
This is total abuser-speak. It's often something these guys tell the women they're abusing to further the idea that it's she, the abused woman, who is causing the abuser to act this way, because clearly he's never been driven to do so before. "I've never had to hit any of my past girlfriends. You must really be fucking up!"
Ugh. He has remorse for being caught and not being able to get away with it. Rihanna herself has said that their was abuse in their past, and that this wasn't an isolated incident. CB has YEARS of therapy ahead of him if he is to ever truly understand the brutality of his behavior. Until then, he should shut up and stay out of the public eye with his crocodile tears.
Oh, Chris Brown. I'm sure you do feel bad. I hear your career's taken quite a hit since the "incident." I wouldn't know, because every time your music comes on the radio, I change the station.
So, I have a proposal for you, little Ike Turner. Go get yourself some help and stay out of the public eye. I don't care that you had an abusive family. You should know better than anyone that violence is destructive and "not the answer." If you feel so bad, make a sincere effort to change your life. Don't keep spouting insincere apologies so transparent I wouldn't know if they hit my windshield.
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: Yes. And I'm angry that the news media feels the need to let him tell "his side of the story" as a response to Rihanna's interview. Why does the abuser get the last word?
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Chris needs a serious dose of Zen...and I mean that in the real sense of the word. That is, he needs to be able to just BE with the reality of what he did, not try to constantly escape from it by proving his love for the woman he beat or asking for forgiveness or incessantly talking about how this is "not him." It is him. It may be difficult to look into that abyss, Chris, but you really have to.
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Drown.
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I think the media should stop spotlighting them as the example and find victims and abusers who are less focused on damage control and turn the dialogue back to the real issue.
Much like Tiger's situation, I feel that they should stop giving either of them a soapbox to spew their passive-aggressive PR spin.
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I'm looking at this situation from the perspective of a mother with a 16-year old son. There's nothing in Brown's behavior that makes me believe he's not remorseful.
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I'm sick of both of them. There are real victims out there with no voice. Let's get back to the real issue.
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The thing with Rihanna is she says she wants to set an example for other women in her situation and then she makes damning comments like she feels sorry for any guy whose girl doesn't send them nude pictures. Talk about sending mixed signals.
Let's find people who actually want to help the cause. It's pretty obvious that Rihanna and Chris want to move past this and continue with their careers.
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I admit I'd rather hear more from average men and women who have been abused, but Rihanna's story is no less "real" than mine.
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And let me also add, that I have not only stayed in a women's shelters in my 20s, but I have volunteered ever since. I know both sides of the story. And I think that the only reason they are making this such a "big" deal is because they're famous.
Rihanna is clearly the victim int his situation, but Chris Brown is the dead horse.
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That guy needs to do some self-reflection and start talking about what he did not what "happened" to him. But I've been saying that for months, so I'm not holding my breath. He just trying to salvage a career.
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I say this as someone who has never experienced domestic violence but I think the "he turned into another person when he beat me" excuses people from their atrocious behavior.
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It was months after I left the relationship before I realized that the reason I was living in terror and behaving completely out of character was because he picked me up and showed me how he was going to kill me. It took me another few weeks to realize that the months of boiling showers, the sense that I would never be clean again, the bruises, the being held down after I said no, the flashbacks and nightmares -- Oh. I was sexually assaulted.
I was really, really lucky, because my abuser became abusive days after we started dating, when I stopped being his dream girl because I was no longer 24/7 available. (I had the flu.) I was able to escape much of the "holding on to the dream" stage, because there was no dream to hold on to; as far as I knew, he'd seemed cool, and then he was a jackass, permanently, and I was in trouble all the time. But when he first turned abusive, I did think -- This isn't who he was before! I must have made him so angry! What am I doing wrong! I have to fix this right now! (Which later became: Fabulous, he's pissed off about something again and now I have to pretend to care so that maybe, in four hours, he'll let me go home after demanding physical affection and telling me what a frigid bitch I am.)
As I said, I never liked my boyfriend very much, because he was -- a douchebag of a human being, and then also an asshole abuser. But in the confusing slide between "oh my gosh, I have my first boyfriend?" and "why do I feel like shit all the time," the way he'd suddenly get sulky, petulant, complaining, angry, dangerous when I fucked up... I did think I must have done something very wrong, because there was a marked personality shift. And then I just pissed him off all the time and that became the default, so I wanted out. (But of course it took me forever and in the end I just goaded him into breaking up with me -- he thought it would be punishment -- because I was too frightened to say, "I want out of this relationship.") What I'm trying to say is that -- excuse though it may seem, I do think I understand where that Jekyll/Hyde sense comes from, and I only barely experienced it. Had my abuser been the more classic type and actually been sweet after blow ups, I think I'd have seen the pattern even more. As it was, I caught myself saying the same lines every abused woman does, including -- "I don't even understand, one moment we're fine and then he's telling me I used the wrong tone and I don't even know why I'm apologizing, but I am."
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I don't think acknowledging that my ex and I had good times together in addition to the years of abuse excuses his behavior. It just allows me to see how I fell in love with him, and how those mixed feelings combined with fear made it so hard to leave.
It's the most terrifying thing: that the man who cooks you breakfasts, spends an hour brushing your hair, lays with you under the stars talking about the future, can be the same man that beats you. His is the same person, but it doesn't feel that way when you remember the good and the bad.
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The reason I can't quite comprehend this is because my father left when I was young and as soon as my sense of security is threatened, I am done. Years of therapy have finally paid off and I'm in the best, healthiest relationship of my life. This man has never raised his voice, let alone his hand. As much as I love him, I have little doubt that old flight mechanism would kick in if he ever did.
But hell, maybe I'm wrong.
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My current boyfriend punched a wall once (fighting with his brother, long story) and I cowered against a wall instinctively. It's a hard thing to overcome once you've experienced abuse or abandonment. I'm glad therapy helped and you are in such a healthy relationship!
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# wow.. the world is so onesided.. case closed?.. just like that?
7:07 AM Dec 2nd from mobile web
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When I know you're only sorry you got caught.
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Nobody gives a shit how you "feel," asshole. Why don't you let everyone know how WRONG and UNACCEPTABLE your behavior was instead.
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This is total abuser-speak. It's often something these guys tell the women they're abusing to further the idea that it's she, the abused woman, who is causing the abuser to act this way, because clearly he's never been driven to do so before. "I've never had to hit any of my past girlfriends. You must really be fucking up!"
Ugh. He has remorse for being caught and not being able to get away with it. Rihanna herself has said that their was abuse in their past, and that this wasn't an isolated incident. CB has YEARS of therapy ahead of him if he is to ever truly understand the brutality of his behavior. Until then, he should shut up and stay out of the public eye with his crocodile tears.
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Also, he does have a history of violence. It's called his father beating the shit out of his mother on the regular.
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So, I have a proposal for you, little Ike Turner. Go get yourself some help and stay out of the public eye. I don't care that you had an abusive family. You should know better than anyone that violence is destructive and "not the answer." If you feel so bad, make a sincere effort to change your life. Don't keep spouting insincere apologies so transparent I wouldn't know if they hit my windshield.
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The phrase "IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU" applies (with a clue hammer) here, I think.
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