I've spent countless words defending the profession of teaching and teachers. It makes me sick that a handful of bad apples like this are going to make it harder for GOOD teachers to earn the respect and acknowledgment they deserve.
These stories get huge press, and it leads Rush Limbaugh to pull out all of his old "Librul Indoctrinating, Child Molesting, Too Stupid To Go To a Real Career Teachers Suck" meme.
Teachers: If you have any respect at all for your colleagues or your profession, keep it in your goddamned pants.
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Lizard in the Wires - synthesizer signals suspense! was starred
Lizard in the Wires - synthesizer signals suspense! was unstarred
Ooookay. Ew. If it weren't sexualized (the stripping, the busty panter-woman in the bikini), I could appreciate it as a statement on the possible abuse of circus animals. So if this were by PETA, I'd be skeeved out, but I'd get it. But as an ad for a product? No.
@Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Oh, no, PETA ads are often sexualized. I could see this, as it is, being a PETA ad, though I'd still be skeeved out. If it WEREN'T sexualized, I'd actually LIKE it as a statement about animal abuse.
Two things: 1. They still sell Orangina? and 2. Why on ggEarth would they think that people would want to buy Orangina after watching that?
The proliferation of offensive and ineffective ads makes me think that the new goal at ad agencies is to go viral for name recognition rather than use the traditional "don't you want to buy this product" model. I mean, I use Method but I don't think they have much market share; now everyone on the internet's heard of them. Likewise I have never drunk or seen anyone drinking Orangina, but here I am talking about it.
I went to this high school. My friends and I used to call it Rape High though, not Horndog High. Seriously, the shit that went on there was beyond the pale. Which we didn't figure out til we all got to college and would be telling stories that we thought were mostly funny, or at least par for the course, to people not from our neighborhood and watching their faces get progressively more horrified.
I mean things happen everywhere, but there they were just a constant. I wish I could figure out why.
@BeckySharper: I'm curious about the calls and texts. They pulled her because they said the amount was inappropriate, but I am wondering about the content.
@Penny: Yeah, I wonder about that too. A teacher having lots of out-of-school contact with students is always a red flag, but it depends on what the context is.
[A classroom in Brooklyn. Spare, perhaps a desk with a globe, maybe a chalkboard. Two female teachers are in a state of undress. Enter Janitor.]
JANITOR: Whoa, hey now, what is this, my birthday or somethin'? Where's the cake, huh? Ain't you ladies s'posed to jump out a cake or some deal like that?
ALINI: What? No, get out of here, we're changing for the talent show!
JANITOR: He-e-e-y, I can see that, that's some talent ya got there!
CINDY: Get the hell out, creep!
JANITOR: Listen, lady, is this gonna play out like one a them Teacher's Sex Pets Schoolgirls Triple-X porno movies or what?
CINDY & ALINI: Leave right now!
JANITOR: Ain't this some bee-ess! I'm gonna call the cops on you prudish dames! That'll teach you to cocktease Clee Nerrup!
[Janitor turns to leave, knocks over his suds bucket with his foot, shrugs his shoulders, exits. Dim lights. End scene.]
@mbprice: I can't help but feel like this is probably much closer to the real story here. But then again, it's so much less titilating to high school boys and NY Daily News readers.
@MsJanani: There would have been no reason for them to be changing for the "talent show" the show in question was actually an inter-grade musical theater competition (it's kind of a big deal with a lot of the city public schools) that teachers cannot take part in at all.
And if they had wanted to change for some other reason, they'd have keys to the staff bathrooms
Okay, inappropriate texting with a male student? Get her out of there.
But I don't really understand how two teachers getting together in an empty classroom is the stuff of suspensions and firing. Was it highly inappropriate? Yes, without question. But there were no kids around and these ladies are both consenting adults. I don't get why the whole student body had to find out about this incident when it was only three people involved originally--the two teachers and the janitor. Something stinks, here.
@LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman: If they really were undressed or engaging in inappropriate behavior (though the being undressed is inappropriate behavior on its own!) I don't see any reason for the two teachers not to be fired. I don't work anywhere near children and I'm sure I'd be let go if I was found naked with a colleague in an empty office.
@LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman: You cannot have sex on school property. Period. The end. You just can't. And actually, both kids and their families were in the building. I mean, the classroom doors have clear glass windows. Anyone could have seen
@LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman: Teachers have to sign morality clauses. Once I become a teacher I can be fired for being drunk at a night club and dancing with my husband.
@EarlyGrey: I agree. Being naked in public AND having sex in public is against the law (at least in my state) no matter WHERE you are, or who might be around. Additionally, public schools are considered public property, you are not allowed to do this in public AT ALL. That they were behind a closed door with no children present doesn't change the fact that they broke the law.
@thePrototype: I have been teaching for 8 years--in California, England and Washington State, and I have never had to sign a morality clause. I have seen my bosses drunk, and two females colleagues are currently living together--the boss was at their housewarming party.
@LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman: I have been told that if a parent sees me drunk in public I can be reprimanded and potentially lose my job. Are you 100% sure there is nothing in your contract about how you act in public?
I love how the Daily News found the least professional photos possible and made sure to crop them so each of their breasts are included in the photos. Journalism FAIL.
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Please, that's Grace Jones.
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These stories get huge press, and it leads Rush Limbaugh to pull out all of his old "Librul Indoctrinating, Child Molesting, Too Stupid To Go To a Real Career Teachers Suck" meme.
Teachers: If you have any respect at all for your colleagues or your profession, keep it in your goddamned pants.
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And Orangina, if you want to sell more drinks, try taking the nasty plup out. That's JUST what I want in a carbonated beverage, plup.
Although they could do a cute pulp novel ad campaign I suppose since it does make them unique.
Why isn't Orangina paying ME the big bucks to make their ads?
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The proliferation of offensive and ineffective ads makes me think that the new goal at ad agencies is to go viral for name recognition rather than use the traditional "don't you want to buy this product" model. I mean, I use Method but I don't think they have much market share; now everyone on the internet's heard of them. Likewise I have never drunk or seen anyone drinking Orangina, but here I am talking about it.
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I mean things happen everywhere, but there they were just a constant. I wish I could figure out why.
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"She said, 'Are you crazy? With my Greek background, I would never do something like that. I have morals and respect.'"
A man who identified himself as Musacchio's boyfriend said he was unaware of the allegations.
"I try to stay out of her business."
Okay....
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I'm so sick of people assuming that boys are lucky or having fun when they're taken advantage of by adults.
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Response to a female teacher having sex with a male student: "Niiiice".
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JANITOR: Whoa, hey now, what is this, my birthday or somethin'? Where's the cake, huh? Ain't you ladies s'posed to jump out a cake or some deal like that?
ALINI: What? No, get out of here, we're changing for the talent show!
JANITOR: He-e-e-y, I can see that, that's some talent ya got there!
CINDY: Get the hell out, creep!
JANITOR: Listen, lady, is this gonna play out like one a them Teacher's Sex Pets Schoolgirls Triple-X porno movies or what?
CINDY & ALINI: Leave right now!
JANITOR: Ain't this some bee-ess! I'm gonna call the cops on you prudish dames! That'll teach you to cocktease Clee Nerrup!
[Janitor turns to leave, knocks over his suds bucket with his foot, shrugs his shoulders, exits. Dim lights. End scene.]
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And if they had wanted to change for some other reason, they'd have keys to the staff bathrooms
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But I don't really understand how two teachers getting together in an empty classroom is the stuff of suspensions and firing. Was it highly inappropriate? Yes, without question. But there were no kids around and these ladies are both consenting adults. I don't get why the whole student body had to find out about this incident when it was only three people involved originally--the two teachers and the janitor. Something stinks, here.
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I agree with you-- fire her for the text messages. This "disrobing" with another teacher incident sounds like a rumor...
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It seems to me that it is more than a rumor. But it is still in investigation, so we really don't know what happened.
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