Also, you have never heard of the mass partner firings over the past few years. Hilarious.
Significant trial experience? Ha! I worked at two big firms in New York and each class of tiny partners (I'm not counting laterals because that is an entirely different game), had ~5-8 trials under their belts. Because cases don't go to trial.
Now, outside of a few firms that do not engage in the mess of lateral partner recruitment, most junior partners are not going to have singificant experience. I spent roughly six years slogging away in a big firm in NY that is based in California. Now, it was actually a trial firm, like Boies, but even then the partners were doing one or two trials a year tops. Because the amount of churning, over-lawyering, etc., would make it impossible to do any more than that. That's just a fact. You would have to be superhuman to do any more than these as a junior partner or senior associate.
Now, people like David Boies and Dan Webb? They just substitute trial teams and go from one bunch of junior partners/associates to the next. Working for these people, you entire job is helping them try the case. You aren't going to making the sort of tactical decisions that you get in the elite federal public sector jobs.
Also, I don't buy the whole half of the people are happy, MizJenkins.
Now, outside of a few firms that do not engage in the mess of lateral partner recruitment, most junior partners are not going to have singificant experience. I spent roughly six years slogging away in a big firm in NY that is based in California. Now, it was actually a trial firm, like Boies, but even then the partners were doing one or two trials a year tops. Because the amount of churning, over-lawyering, etc., would make it impossible to do any more than that. That's just a fact. You would have to be superhuman to do any more than these as a junior partner or senior associate.
Now, people like David Boies and Dan Webb? They just substitute trial teams and go from one bunch of junior partners/associates to the next. Working for these people, you entire job is helping them try the case. You aren't going to making the sort of tactical decisions that you get in the elite federal public sector jobs.
Also, I don't buy the whole half of the people are happy, MizJenkins.
This is such crazy, horrible advice I literally have come out of commenting retirement to point out what an extremely poor idea it is to approach your career, particularly if you are a litigator in this manner.
These jobs are highly paid residences, quite frankly. You are learning, but in between mounds of scut work and trying to survive the well known pyriamid of attrition thrust on associates. Unfortunately, the goal of working hard to learn and working hard to make money are oftentimes so fundamentally opposed young attorneys find themselves churning case files, writing bitchy discovery letters and motions to compel, and bogging through mindless discovery that you are too exhausted to appreciate the nuance of writing well and learning how to litigate effectively.
In big law, 90 percent of litigators are not making strategic tactical decisions and never learn how because it is too expensive, risky, and difficult. In the best of times, clients will pay you to churn their files in an effort to cover their asses. In the worst of times...well, we're here.
Most people who stick around long enough to make litigation partner really only have a handful of trials, some client development training, and a willingnes to bill ~2500 for the right to be called partner with a salary of 300K and zero equity. These people, inevitably, will find themselves sacked when a younger, cheaper partner model comes along and they have failed to develop sufficient business. Some will attempt to sue for age but will fail because duh, they have no business. Because they never got the skills, experiences, or repreive to learn how to fucking kill it as a litigator.
Truly, if you want to write your ticket as a litigator, spend time in big law, pay off loans, clerk, and work your ass off to get into DOJ or one of the US Attorney's offices. There will you learn how to actually fucking try a case, so you can attempt to parlay your experience into paying clients (and firms will, inevitable, recruit you as a partner). This is a hard worn, well known path to success that is on your terms. Whenever these hiring freezes end, of course, my darlings.
Just sayin'
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These jobs are highly paid residences, quite frankly. You are learning, but in between mounds of scut work and trying to survive the well known pyriamid of attrition thrust on associates. Unfortunately, the goal of working hard to learn and working hard to make money are oftentimes so fundamentally opposed young attorneys find themselves churning case files, writing bitchy discovery letters and motions to compel, and bogging through mindless discovery that you are too exhausted to appreciate the nuance of writing well and learning how to litigate effectively.
In big law, 90 percent of litigators are not making strategic tactical decisions and never learn how because it is too expensive, risky, and difficult. In the best of times, clients will pay you to churn their files in an effort to cover their asses. In the worst of times...well, we're here.
Most people who stick around long enough to make litigation partner really only have a handful of trials, some client development training, and a willingnes to bill ~2500 for the right to be called partner with a salary of 300K and zero equity. These people, inevitably, will find themselves sacked when a younger, cheaper partner model comes along and they have failed to develop sufficient business. Some will attempt to sue for age but will fail because duh, they have no business. Because they never got the skills, experiences, or repreive to learn how to fucking kill it as a litigator.
Truly, if you want to write your ticket as a litigator, spend time in big law, pay off loans, clerk, and work your ass off to get into DOJ or one of the US Attorney's offices. There will you learn how to actually fucking try a case, so you can attempt to parlay your experience into paying clients (and firms will, inevitable, recruit you as a partner). This is a hard worn, well known path to success that is on your terms. Whenever these hiring freezes end, of course, my darlings.
Just sayin'
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@MizJenkins: Seriously. I am just so in love with this idea. Sometimes, the Internet is amazing.
@Swifter: say most gay people are ill-disposed to join the military in any case
You are crazy. And prejudiced. The military is a massive, massive employer. It's not just front line combat units (which I do believe will likely have gay and lesbian members), it's a whole range of jobs from serving as a doctor, accountant, teacher, social worker, engineer, and so on. There are plenty of gay people who would probably consider serving, including in combat units, because it's a fucking decent job. You appear to ignore not only that reality but the reality that being gay encompasses not only men.
You are crazy. And prejudiced. The military is a massive, massive employer. It's not just front line combat units (which I do believe will likely have gay and lesbian members), it's a whole range of jobs from serving as a doctor, accountant, teacher, social worker, engineer, and so on. There are plenty of gay people who would probably consider serving, including in combat units, because it's a fucking decent job. You appear to ignore not only that reality but the reality that being gay encompasses not only men.
I think it's the surrender of inherent privilege that adds a special layer of self-loathing to these closeted conservative, white, male political types.
"It's just insulting to her integrity that people would consider that she was lying."
This is so true and the point when I get annoyed about the duh so and so is gay chatter when that person is either not comfortable being out or are, in fact, not gay. Either you're an asshole for forcing an incredibly personal identity on someone who isn't ready to deal or you're basically saying this person is a fake liar which is pretty insulting unto itself.
Sigh. Let people define their own sexuality. You can just focus on your own.
@Cailin rua: Exactly. There is something to be said for attempting to de-escalate a sitution by doing something simple like cutting off the means to communication. She could have also reported him to facebook.
I find the use of crowdsourcing to be dangerous. It can make a bad situation turn to worse.
If you're feeling like you're in danger, go to the police or authorities before attempting to engage even more with a stalker.
I find the use of crowdsourcing to be dangerous. It can make a bad situation turn to worse.
If you're feeling like you're in danger, go to the police or authorities before attempting to engage even more with a stalker.
@TheFormerJuneBronson: I am thisclose to going home and just fucking calling it a day. I'm still sad about the poor woman in the facebook article.
@achilleselbow: Sweet baby Jesus, he is a real person
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As Tionna says...Wowzers
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As Tionna says...Wowzers
God. Dustin Terry sounds like such an asshole. I hope it's a fake name because Jesus...I don't know what I'd do if I had an asisine comment cemented for eternity in the NY Times (and Gawker!).
@Z und Vielpunkt's chick: Becuase it's just step one. I think that's what breaks people. The fundamental understanding of how fragile your career is ...
@Myrna_Minkoff: Seriously. As an attorney working in one of the best gigs possible in the field, I am at a loss at how much the industry, including a large swath of its members, completely, utterly suck on the regular.
And for the record, I absolutely love practicing.
And for the record, I absolutely love practicing.
@erincnyc: I think that is the major failing everyone who talks, reads, or writes about gay rights fails to understand all too often. The perception = reality. Even if it's not true (See: Oprah).
I think being accused of being a self-hating liar is probably pretty frustrating and sad...when it's not true.
It's fucking brilliant.
@1girl: As someone who got engaged this weekend, so much word on this. I was absolutely opposed to "popping" anything. We spent nearly two days having a state of the union summit before deciding to get engaged.
@margarine-for-error: It's the strangest thing, and completely antedotal, but I'm not shocked by Inman's age one bit. I get confused for a minor all the freaking time when I'm in Court as a lawyer. I'm greying, which should add a little gravitas, thankfully.
@Leucadia: As a Somali, like Iman, I've actually seen tons of people age incredibly slowly in the community in DC, including my own (non supermodel family). My mom, who's 59, looks like she's in her mid 30's. And I regularly get asked if I'm in college (I'm actually in my mid-30's). My sister, who's a teacher, also regularly gets confused with students. I'm not shocked by her age one bit.
but isn't a peck from your homophobic tormentor just as meaningless as making out with Brittany?
Sigh. Yes. That's why he was upset. It had nothing to do with basically being sexually assaulted.
