Anyone know "The Simpsons" episode when Patti (or Selma) has a faux-marriage with Troy McClure? You might remember for his sea animal fetish. That's what I thought of first, so sorry Dear Ms. White.
Yes!! She was so funny and wacky, my favorite "girl" from next door. She dressed her dog up in costumes, (bought as a puppy to match her cat), and she's a huge Halloween fan.
Turning pain into art and humor. I dig it.
What about a study on the penis size of straight men?! Because that's another first date question I'd like to have the answer to upfront (heheh). Googling a name for study results might save this girl some heartache later on.
She's said this in interviews before.
Ha! Score!! "Nasty ass honey badger..."
On another note, Shirley's been working the "TMI" talk show circuit ala Carrie Fisher for quite some time now. She wants that media attention BAAAAD.
It kinda reminds me of the show "Entourage's" main character Vince. Isn't this a total Hollywood cliché by now? Young, rich, famous, with lots of willing partners...we get it. It's like a Vegas wild ride, but maybe with slightly less hookers involved (though not for Charlie Sheen). Sounds groovy and wild babay.
On another note, Shirley's been working the "TMI" talk show circuit ala Carrie Fisher for quite some time now. She wants that media attention BAAAAD.
It kinda reminds me of the show "Entourage's" main character Vince. Isn't this a total Hollywood cliché by now? Young, rich, famous, with lots of willing partners...we get it. It's like a Vegas wild ride, but maybe with slightly less hookers involved (though not for Charlie Sheen). Sounds groovy and wild babay.
I hear you loud and clear. I'm divorced. Plus, I have a cousin who is so faithful and caring, yet when he approached his parish about joining the clergy, they turned him down for being gay. He was like, what does it matter if I'm celibate? I'm all for more transparency and less hidden scandal, because this bullshit marks all of us as deranged lunatics who support oppression of some evil uber overlord church. It's like a contingent of people who believe Catholicism is some wacky "Angels & Demons" conspiracy movie, instead of the normal, day-to-day of most people who just want to help out and give other people counsel and comfort.
I'm the kind of person who, rather than merely hoping for change, works towards it from the inside out. Be part of the solution, instead of running away from the problem.
Thanks a lot for your support. It ain't easy fighting the good fight but that never stopped me anyway.
I'm the kind of person who, rather than merely hoping for change, works towards it from the inside out. Be part of the solution, instead of running away from the problem.
Thanks a lot for your support. It ain't easy fighting the good fight but that never stopped me anyway.
You just made my evening. Thank you very much. I am more moved than I can express here by your sentiments.
You are just like me, and all of us there sitting in church who are flawed, human, and drawn to theology to ask questions, to learn, to comfort, and to help. We do charity when no one sees it, we do the right thing when no one is there to witness it, and we tell the truth even if it brands us as something we are not.
You are just like me, and all of us there sitting in church who are flawed, human, and drawn to theology to ask questions, to learn, to comfort, and to help. We do charity when no one sees it, we do the right thing when no one is there to witness it, and we tell the truth even if it brands us as something we are not.
I think for people outside of the Northeast, there's also an ignorance about the difference between Roman Catholicism and the many, many different branches of Protestantism. They are all quite unique and separate in practices. Christianity is an extremely broad term, but useful when bandying about clichés regarding people of faith.
Thank you very much. That's exactly what I meant when I wrote my post.
Thank you very much. That's exactly what I meant when I wrote my post.
Hmm. I touched a nerve about that, because molestation is a very serious crime. I am sorry. If you have been a victim in the past, please know, we care and we don't accept pity as a justification for anything that may have happened to you as a result of a breach of trust by someone in the clergy.
You should talk if you are the victim of an illegal crime, and loudly, too! And to the authorities, not the Vatican.
You should talk if you are the victim of an illegal crime, and loudly, too! And to the authorities, not the Vatican.
Smmo, you're bias is showing! Say ten Hail Mary's, stat. And you're right, there are 1 billion Catholics worldwide. Must be doing something right. Just not all clustered in New York City, or, more specifically, my neighborhood. Personally, I like feeling outside and disenfranchised because it allows me to have a better insight into those feelings, if I know someone who needs counsel. Empathy is the greatest equalizer, and I welcome every day I learn something from my experiences. Anyway, what kind of faith would I have if I walked away because of your piechart? I think we both know that won't do a thing to deter me.
BTW—I went to get my haircut with a black "X" on my forehead, and laughed about the Asian ladies whose mouths dropped as they pointed and stared at me to one another outside the nail shop. I said to my hairdresser, "It was great. Like being a tourist in my own city." Am I'm guessing correctly that you might be from a neck of the woods where you don't regularly encounter "different" as often as we do here? Cultural encounters are the norm, not the small slice of my pie.
I found it funny to be perceived as more rebellious and shocking than the heavily-tattooed hipsterette cutting hair next to me!
BTW—I went to get my haircut with a black "X" on my forehead, and laughed about the Asian ladies whose mouths dropped as they pointed and stared at me to one another outside the nail shop. I said to my hairdresser, "It was great. Like being a tourist in my own city." Am I'm guessing correctly that you might be from a neck of the woods where you don't regularly encounter "different" as often as we do here? Cultural encounters are the norm, not the small slice of my pie.
I found it funny to be perceived as more rebellious and shocking than the heavily-tattooed hipsterette cutting hair next to me!
Great article! I just started practicing Catholicism again after a looong break (college, partying, boyfriends, career, a husband and a couple of dogs later) and one of the faiths continuing shame is this relentless return in the media of clergy involved in allegations and scandal. I know gay Catholics, addicted Catholics, divorced Catholics, and every other kind in between, but it is important to point out that pedophilia is very uncool among everyone, including church people. We do not support or condone illegal acts. I disagree with many policies of the organized church, and this is one of them. Call the police, get an investigator involved, and do the job right, just like molestation allegations would be in scrutinized in the lay world.
As for the clergy itself, celibacy as a lifestyle is for the very few, and devoting one's energies wholly to community and spiritual guidance is an extremely rare call to service. Because of the number of parishes, churches switch offenders around because they can't/won't take the appropriate actions. And so this haven for perpetrators was inadvertently created. A priest is supposed to be a position of honor for the few, not the many, instead of this respite from social questioning that some wayward people use as an excuse to escape confronting their inner demons in the real world, especially if they come from a strict religious family. And I think parishes are starting to use lay people in ministry work more, which I support.
As to your feelings, I immediately thought of "Doubt" by Patrick Shanley. Priests are people, they are human, and they are not infallible. In New York City, having the courage to "come out" as a Catholic is an act of bravery because it is seen as a ridiculously anti-intellectual, the anithesis of
"cool", laughable in its' ignorance, backwards and against societal progress. I had people stare and gawk at me on Ash Wednesday like I was some sideshow freak at the circus. And yet amidst all this, I refuse to to give up on a religion I know basically wants to comfort the sick, the needy, and the poor. So fuck that, I'm not going anywhere. All this tells me is that they need more good people involved, not less. I can take the heat from some shitty articles. I hope everyone reading this who knows the real deal about what we do in the community does the same.
Oprah's advice should also be taken with any adult who exhibits grooming behavior in industries with children—Scouts, nannies, teachers, etc. They can be magnets for pedophiles because their position of power and authority protects them and draws kids in. Anyone entertaining the priesthood should be thoroughly screened mentally and psychologically, like they do in other fields who have workers in close contact with kids.
As for the clergy itself, celibacy as a lifestyle is for the very few, and devoting one's energies wholly to community and spiritual guidance is an extremely rare call to service. Because of the number of parishes, churches switch offenders around because they can't/won't take the appropriate actions. And so this haven for perpetrators was inadvertently created. A priest is supposed to be a position of honor for the few, not the many, instead of this respite from social questioning that some wayward people use as an excuse to escape confronting their inner demons in the real world, especially if they come from a strict religious family. And I think parishes are starting to use lay people in ministry work more, which I support.
As to your feelings, I immediately thought of "Doubt" by Patrick Shanley. Priests are people, they are human, and they are not infallible. In New York City, having the courage to "come out" as a Catholic is an act of bravery because it is seen as a ridiculously anti-intellectual, the anithesis of
"cool", laughable in its' ignorance, backwards and against societal progress. I had people stare and gawk at me on Ash Wednesday like I was some sideshow freak at the circus. And yet amidst all this, I refuse to to give up on a religion I know basically wants to comfort the sick, the needy, and the poor. So fuck that, I'm not going anywhere. All this tells me is that they need more good people involved, not less. I can take the heat from some shitty articles. I hope everyone reading this who knows the real deal about what we do in the community does the same.
Oprah's advice should also be taken with any adult who exhibits grooming behavior in industries with children—Scouts, nannies, teachers, etc. They can be magnets for pedophiles because their position of power and authority protects them and draws kids in. Anyone entertaining the priesthood should be thoroughly screened mentally and psychologically, like they do in other fields who have workers in close contact with kids.
Publishing...still one heck of a klassy bizness.
I got this thread's gist, which may have been lost under a lot of guilt rhetoric, and which I believe is this—privileges are often determined by those, in society, who perceive a lack. We often read daft comments about the supposed privileges of wealth, money, power, beauty, fame, race, religion, etc. none of which I have found to have a huge bearing on real life. Do people make assumptions based on what they see based on ingrained stereotypes? They do. Does a bunch of hand wringing over misguided perceptions help heal divides? Absolutely not. White guilt, however earnest it may be, is not a substitute for pointing out logical fallacies in any debate.
I live the point every day in an environment where this author's rules of engagement are moot. Of course, people make mistakes, even law enforcement. Does that mean you throw out police work? Do people have biases? Sure, but what does that mean in an urban environment where people are so blended, that it's hard to make racial distinctions? These debates seem to stem from some Ivy League class on race relations bent on making apologists of all of us. The most dehumanizing aspect of politically correct thinking assumes we are all the same. We are not, but we are all human. Once race becomes the artificial construct of thinking it really is (skin color, really, it's mother-fucking pigment, that you have a problem with? Get over it.), then we come move beyond widening divides between people, grow the fuck up, realize we ALL have different sets of challenges and privileges based on who we are, to get to the root of unity, which is this: we all experience, pain, joy, hope, love sadness, and death. we are all born, and we all die. We all have families.
And those realities are far more powerful than anything I've read on here so far. I went a couple of logical lightyears ahead, to a future not as far off as backward thinkers would have us believe. If there is one main fallacy I've found in schools, it's that this concept of "The Man" too often is the students inability to be truly compassionate or empathetic, beyond this pseudo-intellectual guilt-mongering. Move past it, to the truth. United we stand, divided we fall. If there's is any hidden conspiracy and agenda, it's that creating conflicts prevents the masses from joining together to focus on solving problems. We may be a flawed society, but we are still founded on principles of freedom. I do not know of any city on the planet like NYC, where we have Orthodox Jews living next to Haitian people. Do we crack some fucking eggs in the process? Of course, we do. People are not perfect. But we are striving towards a society of equality that is unprecedented in human history, which is far more exciting to me.
The best way to get over pre-conceived ideas about any population group is to actually get to know people outside our immediate environs. We are becoming a world culture, which will experience the level of ethnic blending which will hopefully render such distinctions ridiculous. I can't even proof my race or ethnicity, I'm so mixed at this point. How could I do that? How could I prove myself to you, based on race? A blood test? A fucking pie chart of my genetic material? Seeing it from my p.o.v., you see how daft these distinctions become.
I could write a long history about the oppression of my French Canadian ancestors, who were hunted and exterminated en masse during the Expulsion, but I bet you were never taught that in school, were you? No, you weren't. How that ancestor of mine from Nova Scotia was an INDENTURED SERVANT BOUGHT INTO SERVICE from France by a sea captain, but, hey, you're the only one with problems, right? Enslaved forefathers, yet another white privilege! Or how my Irish ancestors died of starvation during the Potato Famine at the hands of the British, or the hard road to working class the immigrant roots of my people had to endure to make a living here, but fuck that, you're being targeted for baggy jeans. Huh. No kidding. Re-read my histories above as many times as is necessary, until you get what I mean. The whole point of a city like New York is that we take the tired, the hungry, the poor, and I know we do, because I see us every day, because I am one of them, just like you. So, if you want to believe you've had it harder than me, go ahead. You won't want to hear the truth anyway. You've hardened yourself against it to create a script in your head, a narrative about who I am and who cops are, based on some fucked up problems within law enforcement. Fuck it, why rise above, when we can wallow in shit, right? I remember the LA riots, I remember seeing it play out on t.v., and I never want to go back there again. I see major progress, even if you can't.
Not only did I "get" the "fucking" point, I AM the fucking point, because people of many ancestries will only become more common as we travel with even more frequency, settling in countries and inter-marrying, that it will render decisions based on skin tone even more ridiculous and irrelevant. Just as people of my backgrounds have been doing here in America for hundreds of years, people will continue to do in a free society—marrying and blending cultures formed out of love and marriages, which is so very human. We are a desegregated society, we should enjoy that and get out there and live, despite the bumps we endure on this road to a better future, without needless paranoia and guilt. Fear holds back so much progress, and it is so tiring. Welcome to the New World. Isn't it beautiful?
I live the point every day in an environment where this author's rules of engagement are moot. Of course, people make mistakes, even law enforcement. Does that mean you throw out police work? Do people have biases? Sure, but what does that mean in an urban environment where people are so blended, that it's hard to make racial distinctions? These debates seem to stem from some Ivy League class on race relations bent on making apologists of all of us. The most dehumanizing aspect of politically correct thinking assumes we are all the same. We are not, but we are all human. Once race becomes the artificial construct of thinking it really is (skin color, really, it's mother-fucking pigment, that you have a problem with? Get over it.), then we come move beyond widening divides between people, grow the fuck up, realize we ALL have different sets of challenges and privileges based on who we are, to get to the root of unity, which is this: we all experience, pain, joy, hope, love sadness, and death. we are all born, and we all die. We all have families.
And those realities are far more powerful than anything I've read on here so far. I went a couple of logical lightyears ahead, to a future not as far off as backward thinkers would have us believe. If there is one main fallacy I've found in schools, it's that this concept of "The Man" too often is the students inability to be truly compassionate or empathetic, beyond this pseudo-intellectual guilt-mongering. Move past it, to the truth. United we stand, divided we fall. If there's is any hidden conspiracy and agenda, it's that creating conflicts prevents the masses from joining together to focus on solving problems. We may be a flawed society, but we are still founded on principles of freedom. I do not know of any city on the planet like NYC, where we have Orthodox Jews living next to Haitian people. Do we crack some fucking eggs in the process? Of course, we do. People are not perfect. But we are striving towards a society of equality that is unprecedented in human history, which is far more exciting to me.
The best way to get over pre-conceived ideas about any population group is to actually get to know people outside our immediate environs. We are becoming a world culture, which will experience the level of ethnic blending which will hopefully render such distinctions ridiculous. I can't even proof my race or ethnicity, I'm so mixed at this point. How could I do that? How could I prove myself to you, based on race? A blood test? A fucking pie chart of my genetic material? Seeing it from my p.o.v., you see how daft these distinctions become.
I could write a long history about the oppression of my French Canadian ancestors, who were hunted and exterminated en masse during the Expulsion, but I bet you were never taught that in school, were you? No, you weren't. How that ancestor of mine from Nova Scotia was an INDENTURED SERVANT BOUGHT INTO SERVICE from France by a sea captain, but, hey, you're the only one with problems, right? Enslaved forefathers, yet another white privilege! Or how my Irish ancestors died of starvation during the Potato Famine at the hands of the British, or the hard road to working class the immigrant roots of my people had to endure to make a living here, but fuck that, you're being targeted for baggy jeans. Huh. No kidding. Re-read my histories above as many times as is necessary, until you get what I mean. The whole point of a city like New York is that we take the tired, the hungry, the poor, and I know we do, because I see us every day, because I am one of them, just like you. So, if you want to believe you've had it harder than me, go ahead. You won't want to hear the truth anyway. You've hardened yourself against it to create a script in your head, a narrative about who I am and who cops are, based on some fucked up problems within law enforcement. Fuck it, why rise above, when we can wallow in shit, right? I remember the LA riots, I remember seeing it play out on t.v., and I never want to go back there again. I see major progress, even if you can't.
Not only did I "get" the "fucking" point, I AM the fucking point, because people of many ancestries will only become more common as we travel with even more frequency, settling in countries and inter-marrying, that it will render decisions based on skin tone even more ridiculous and irrelevant. Just as people of my backgrounds have been doing here in America for hundreds of years, people will continue to do in a free society—marrying and blending cultures formed out of love and marriages, which is so very human. We are a desegregated society, we should enjoy that and get out there and live, despite the bumps we endure on this road to a better future, without needless paranoia and guilt. Fear holds back so much progress, and it is so tiring. Welcome to the New World. Isn't it beautiful?
Ever been in a long term relationship? By that seven year itch, tell me you won't want to be seen as desirable by your mate. Hells yeah, I want to be "fuckable" to my love interest! Though I don't see Jane Seymour that way—I think she's aged gracefully, and I think she's naturally beautiful.
Listen, are you really fooled by advertising? You are that gullible that you believe magazine photos are real life?!! It's like the old debate when a kid watches movie about Superman, takes a flying leap out of a window, and then the movie company gets sued for negligence by the bereaved parents for some poor kid's wackness. It's a picture in a mag, selling cellulite ass cream to tools who think they can look like a baby's ass at 70. If someone thinks spending 100 bucks on snake oil works, they have more problems than this discussion can help.
I know the difference between being marketed to by a company so they can make profits, and the real world. Plus, I'm an art director, so this all is completely demystified to me, to the point where I can't even see this as a serious feminist debate any more. I find a photo of a woman in her 60s without airbrushing to be refreshing, and if Jane Seymour is still considered sexy, despite every harsh thing society can say to a woman about aging, then good for her.
Listen, are you really fooled by advertising? You are that gullible that you believe magazine photos are real life?!! It's like the old debate when a kid watches movie about Superman, takes a flying leap out of a window, and then the movie company gets sued for negligence by the bereaved parents for some poor kid's wackness. It's a picture in a mag, selling cellulite ass cream to tools who think they can look like a baby's ass at 70. If someone thinks spending 100 bucks on snake oil works, they have more problems than this discussion can help.
I know the difference between being marketed to by a company so they can make profits, and the real world. Plus, I'm an art director, so this all is completely demystified to me, to the point where I can't even see this as a serious feminist debate any more. I find a photo of a woman in her 60s without airbrushing to be refreshing, and if Jane Seymour is still considered sexy, despite every harsh thing society can say to a woman about aging, then good for her.
Haha! That's cute :) And a society of artists is....Japan!
My former publisher once passed by my monitor, which had a desktop photo of old hand set letters on it. He told me he took printing in high school, back when setting type by hand was still an art form.
We talked about the migration of tools through time, and I said that who I am as an artist will never change, though the methods may. We were called scribes, illuminators, and now, in this time, graphic designers, but our function remains the same.
I told him I would adapt to societal changes using any tool necessary. If the world needs artists to make holograms, it won't be just some vague group of "people", it'll be us—the people who know how to make things because we were taught to do so, using whatever thing is available.
I've seen digital pics by both professional photogs and untrained people, and there is such a huge visual difference in the quality, that this debate isn't even one. It's just an opinion of someone outside of the worlds of art, design, technology, innovation, and media.
You should take a class, and see our world with your own eyes, the best visual tool there is. And study some art history for goodness sakes!
My former publisher once passed by my monitor, which had a desktop photo of old hand set letters on it. He told me he took printing in high school, back when setting type by hand was still an art form.
We talked about the migration of tools through time, and I said that who I am as an artist will never change, though the methods may. We were called scribes, illuminators, and now, in this time, graphic designers, but our function remains the same.
I told him I would adapt to societal changes using any tool necessary. If the world needs artists to make holograms, it won't be just some vague group of "people", it'll be us—the people who know how to make things because we were taught to do so, using whatever thing is available.
I've seen digital pics by both professional photogs and untrained people, and there is such a huge visual difference in the quality, that this debate isn't even one. It's just an opinion of someone outside of the worlds of art, design, technology, innovation, and media.
You should take a class, and see our world with your own eyes, the best visual tool there is. And study some art history for goodness sakes!
