Lessons From a Day Spent With the UCSB Shooter's Awful FriendsErin Gloria Ryan5/29/14 12:00pmFiled to: UCSB shootingpuahatepickup artistselliot rodger2.3K349EditPromoteShare to KinjaToggle Conversation toolsGo to permalinkTuesday morning, I logged into a chat room full of refugees of the since shuttered PUAHate forum once frequented by University of California-Santa Barbara shooter Elliott Rodger. And I stayed there, silently watching them, for 8 hours. Here's what I learned.AdvertisementPUAHate, as other outlets have discussed, is an offshoot of the Pick Up Artist community populated by men (and, allegedly, women) who believe Pick Up Artistry to be a sham waste of money not because women are more than "targets" and "prey," but because women are fucking hopeless cunts who can't be convinced to give nice guys a chance. Women, argue PUAHaters, will only go out with good looking alpha males and would never look twice at anyone who isn't a musclebound dreamboat with a six-figure income, and most men will never be those things, and so the world is against them and life is unfair. From an observer's perspective, PUAHate is a group of self-pitying babies who believe they're entitled to women who are much more attractive than they are. The forum that the group is using as a stopgap between the original PUAHate forum where Elliot Rodger posted and whatever new forum will house them. Participants are able to participate by writing text or by joining in with audio or video. It looks like this:Over the course of the day, the number of participants in the tinychat ranged from around 10 in the early morning to dozens in the mid-afternoon. And because of character limits on the chat software, the transcript of the day's chat is confusing. In order to make it less so, in the excerpts you'll see below, I've consolidated sentence fragments written by individuals in succession and added punctuation for clarity. Otherwise, the text is as-written.8:20 AMI enter the room and into the middle of a conversation that seems like it's about head circumference and jaw surgery. One of the forum members is convinced that if only he goes under the knife to fix his crossbite will any of those contemptible bitches choose to love him. 9:16 amMembers of the forum start giddily reflecting on Rodger's fame and begin encouraging each other to write manifestos. After one PUAhater shared an image of an average-looking woman and told the room that she gets to have as much sex as she wants, one man with an Australian accent and an obviously electronically modified-sounding voice, intoned,AdvertisementAre you trying to inspire me to shoot up a super market? What are you trying to do? There's only one solution. I'm going to make a bomb. It's going to be a pretty good gig in Australia soon. Thanks ... for showing me the light. One user, who was contributing via audio, suggested to the members that they should all begin drafting their own manifestos, explaining,AdvertisementSponsoredWhen you post a video on Youtube it doesn't matter what the police say you've got your version of events on youtube before they have their say. The Australian, seemingly unaware of the other Englishman's audio, added,I do believe I have the knowledge to kill 100 people. I believe I have the knowledge to kill the entire school. I know that's pretty pathetic, I think.Go back to my old school, past assembly, 9:00. Chain every single door. Shoot everybody in the assembly hall. No one responded. Meanwhile, in the text section of the forum, [9:17 AM]: they say we shount be entitled, hen everyones sex is all on display. isn't that unfair. that they say we dont deserve it then they SHOW US WHAT THEY ARE DOING SEXUALLY. it is like they want this to happen day to day[9:17 AM]: elliot is an hero9:24 AMThe conversation is now on Elliot Rodger, the UCSB shooter, and whether or not he was justified in his rampage. What Elliot Rodger felt is stuff that all men secretly feel, the members agree. AdvertisementI've removed their names because, honestly, fuck these guys and what they want. You'll understand more about why as the day goes on. [9:24 AM]: 99% of men relate if they are honest[9:24 AM]: yeah ive noticed the comment sections on this story people arent that vicious towards him. part of it is because he looked okay[9:24 AM]: who wouldnt want to live in a socially constructed sexual utopia? imo people are waking up[9:24 AM]: but the other part is men relate to hating women[9:24 AM]: the socially constructionist view of reality is fundamentally flawed. guys who see this think... oooh wait...i get it now. his reaction was unique but the causes were no different. most men go through what he went through but most react differently. some die, some ignore society, some enslave themselves to society and wifeFor a group of people engaged in an unending circle jerk over how hopeless and special and victimized they are, they sure seem to think their victimhood is universal. 9:27 amThis weekend, I made the enlightening mistake of participating in the #YesAllWomen hashtag. I call it a mistake because a depressing number of responses I got for my sub-140 character contribution to the conversation centered around the fact that ELLIOT RODGER DIDN'T HATE WOMEN HE WAS MENTALLY ILL AND BESIDES HE KILLED MORE MEN THAN WOMEN! which is an excuse that it seems gets made a lot whenever the guy (because it's almost always a guy) holding the gun (because it's almost always a gun) is white-looking rather than brown or black-looking. Mental illness. Not terrorism or misogyny or a metastacized perversion of mildly fucked up aspects of American masculinity culture that become massively fucked up aspects when they collide with mental illness or personality disorders. Rodger said he did it because he hates women. AdvertisementAdvertisementSo do the other forum participants. [9:27 AM]: media doesnt aknolwedge the majroity of males' discontentment with current sexual distopia[9:27 AM]: its all about HATING WOMEN How many times do they have to tell us before we believe them?9:28 AMThe forum members are alternately shaken and giddy over Rodger's fame. Most of them seem a little giddy that an "incel" — and "involuntarily celibate" man — went out in such a blaze of glory. Others will follow, promises one member. Advertisement[9:28 AM]: he would have had a boring incel life then died of cancer without reference to "this". without ever leaving a mark or a wikipeda and go on just like it had in the past.he is famous 4 ever now. guys i bet you this will happen more times in 2014. others will do it. promise9:37 AMMore self-aggrandizing manifesto talk.[9:37 AM]: you NEED a manifesto or video or it's worthless[9:37 AM]: this time there was major manifesto. old killers didnt do much in that regard. police censor and withhold killer motivations to avoidf public panic. its good that the reality is coming out to society in a very raw way10:02 AMSome forum members think the UCSB shooter was out of line. Others can totally see why he did it. After all, his sister was having sex. AdvertisementAdvertisement[10:02 AM]: the most chilling part is eliots comments about his sister being fucked. too real. pussy envy. his lack of sex paled in comparison to wanting what others had paraded around. Simply existing = "parading around." 10:05 AMFirst reference to "going Elliot."Advertisement[10:05 AM]: if you are here after 31, consider going elliot. day 31 of may. thats the deadline[10:05 AM]: guys. manifestos are currently being drafted by men out there[10:06 AM]: if you are here in june, just off it[10:06 AM]: dont think this is the the last. men realize they have nothing to lose[10:07 AM]: i dont know why divorced men dont go on rampages[10:07 AM]: that blonde was a total bitch but father claims she is a nice girl[10:07 AM]: because older men get called old pervs, like george sodini[10:07 AM]: *started a YouTube-video: Elvis Presley - It's Over..*George Sodini is a cowardly fuck who, in 2009, killed 3 women and injured at least ten others when he opened fire on a gym in Pennsylvania.