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Jon and Kate Gosselin’s lives have been forever altered by their time on television, as have their children’s lives. Their kids didn’t get much say in how they were introduced to the world, but they do have some things to say now.

Kate and the eight were interviewed by People, and her 15-year-old twins Mady and Cara don’t love the way Jon Gosselin presents their relationship with him to the media. The only thing they seem to really agree with their dad about is that it’s a bad one.

Earlier in August, Jon told Entertainment Weekly that he’s focusing on his sextuplets, basically because the twins were being regular teenage girls, saying, “Everybody used to come to my house... You know, it was great, and then Madelyn and Cara just stopped coming, around 12 to 13 [years old]. I didn’t question it. I was just like, ‘Hey, do what you want, be with your friends,’ and then it just became they’re not coming.”

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This all sounds pretty typical of how growing girls behave, but with the added complication of every bit of family drama becoming marketable content. Mady insists that Jon’s claims that he is being deliberately kept from his kids is false, and says about the lack of contact:

“He makes it seem like we’re being kept from him, which is insane,” Mady states. “He should maybe spend some time thinking about why we don’t want to see him, and maybe realize that if he ever does want a relationship with us, talking about us on TV is not the way to make that happen.”

“He doesn’t even know us,” Mady adds. “How can he dare to talk about us?”

Mady is more vocal than her sister Cara, who simply adds, “I wouldn’t even know what to say about him.”