It's another one of those procedures more likely to provide greater pleasure for men rather than women. Can't imagine why any woman would undergo. some kind of crazy.

What creeps me out the most is when women who are considering the procedure are framing it as a gift to their husbands. *Shudder*

@Panda-Attack: EEEW! If my husband were to ever dare insult my down-there bits with the mere suggestion of surgery, I'd have to point out how aggressively ugly balls are....

When are balls going to get facelifts? They're really wrinkly.

I have the feeling the 13 year old thong and push-up bra wearers of today are the vaginoplasty consumers of tomorrow. Now I'm thoroughly depressed.

is a rap sheet like a college degree in LA? do you HAVE to have one to get a job there?

When are men going to start risking their sexual health by getting peen-o-plasties? My guess is, never.

@Panda-Attack: Porn actress Houston actually had her bits encased in a block of clear plastic (post-surgery, obviously) and auctioned it off to the highest-bidding fan.

Digest that over your lunch hour!

@ElleDriver: Sorta like Spam?

That is sooooo freaking disgusting!

I'd only do it if I could have vagina dentata.

Also, after a couple of these procedures, are you able to figure out you've gone too far and done too much before your ladyparts end up looking like Michael Jackson?

@Panda-Attack: Well, that's sumpin' special to hang over the mantle next to the photos of the family.

But really now, aren't there enough body parts for society to make us feel insecure about, without dragging the vajayjay into the mess?

Unless I break my cooter bone, I'm not getting any reconstructive surgery down there.

How do you pass a psychological consult? Um, I want to look like a porn star. Ms. Smith, how do you think this would enhance your life? Well, I really think I would feel more confident, so thay way I can finally sign up for e-harmony or get the Johnston account.

@NinaHagen: Awesome. That's what Rapex is for! [www.rapestop.net]

Might as well have your anus bleached while you're getting your vagina tightened. Gross.

After much thought, I would only do such a procedure if it would result in some upgrades to the already superior quality of my original...

I'm talking along the lines of adding bionics. Are we there yet with the technology? Let me consult with the Japanese, then.

@SarahMC: "Peen-o-plastie" hahahahaha. I think that made my day.

Seriously, though. The thought of this makes me feel all squirmy and kind of clamy. I may have thrown up in my mouth.

I did read about a trend years ago where women had their chests bronzed as gifts to their dudes. He might like it, but I don't think I want to stare at a bronzed reminder of the "big gal" vs. "wee gal" saga that plays itself out daily under my nose.

@ElleDriver: I opened up my local paper today on the EL to discover a smiling 41 year old proclaiming that she had this surgery in a "news" article about this procedure. I kept thinking it must have taken some guts to proclaim this to the world/city.

Stupid shallow women + greedy surgeons =

a whole lotta $$$

I'm pretty sure most men would not notice the difference between a before and after cosmetic vaginoplasty. Straight men like all vaginas and I don't believe they take into account things like the symmetry of the labia. Probably the only aesthitic criteria is clean and reasonably well groomed. (Sometimes not even that.) The only reason women get this done electively is self-loathing. Men or "I'm doing it for me" have nothing to do with it.

I could maybe understand getting tightend up if you've had about 10 kids, but if you've had 10 kids why on earth would you still want to have sex? Or if you're too loose from too much fucking, lay off the fucking.

@petuniacat: Hmm, not that I actually saw the encased block myself, but I don't think Spam would be a good comparison, as I don't believe it was minced and flavored with special seasonings. :)

@TriedandTrue: It looks like a "plant" to me, as the timing of the article and release of the report seems reeaaally suspect.

and we westerners feel sooooooooo superior to those african women who get (forced) clitorectomies.

What heterosexual man cares what it looks like?

@The Real JR: You know, I have a theory that the future will be one of les-bionic matriarchy. Why not start at the source?

Vaginoplasty = some seriously unnecessary insecure inane shit.

Your pussy would have to be bigger than a Rhino's yawn to even think of that! It's dumb! The best advice is to stop banging guys with big dicks or get guys with bigger dicks and do tons of squats!

how about surgically lacing a drawstring through the labia, like a hoodie?

I have it on very good authority that Ted Turner makes all of his "girlfriends" get this procedure done, and that Jane Fonda did as a prerequisite to their marriage. Not that she has a history of having low self-esteem or anything (anorexia, etc.), it was 'do it or no deal'.

What a pr**k.

"It's not loose, sweetie. You're just not big enough."

heh.

@beppolina1: Amen! So easy to say, and yet none of them do.

i agree that this procedure is unecessary, but in certain cases it's acceptable. the last episode of dr. 90210 featured a girl whos labia was so long that it got pulled and tugged and pushed inside her during sex, making it uncomfortable. that would suuuuuuuuck! luckily i like mine, and it doesn't get in the way of having a good time.

if my boyfriend suggested this procedure (a la ted turner) he would catch hell...like the time he mentioned that he would like if i did the full brazilian. i obliged, but he too ended up naked as a baby downstairs.

@wigglepuppy: I love your name. That is all.

So what were the four "types" of vulvas that the pornographer described?

@langtry: I can't believe the procedure has been around that effing long. You'd think we'd be hearing of complications from it, in that case.

what do you guys think about the use of this kind of surgery for revirginization for women from cultures that require virgin brides?

it seems pretty complicated from the feminist perspective: on the one hand, you could see it as a tool empowering women to temporarily circumvent repressive cultural norms, but on the other hand, it ultimately affirms and perpetuates those norms.

thoughts?

ugh. vagionplasty is so depressing as a guy. I know all you gals are all into your feminist thing or whatever, but like really, when women get all crazy image obsessed we suffer too. All this business just makes women insecure and miserable and crazy. It's fucking brutal dating a girl like that.. I did it with my last girlfriend, i fucking loved her and I just wanted to make her happy and I didnt really much care she had gotten fat and then later her skin freaked out from birth control, i liked her so i just kinda ignored it, but when the insecurity kicked in and she didnt want to go out because she felt fat or ugly and when she didn't want to have sex sometimes, and the way she would just sulk all day.. trying to make her happy was like digging water out of the harbor and the misery was contagious. i love the girl.. but it was really hard dealing with the constant insecurity etc

the funny thing is that i guess a lot of women try to meet these ridiculous standards to be more attractive to men but their obsessions just make them unattractive as anything more than a booty call or a one night stand

@dayglo:

the clam, the bat, the meat (i think) and the "out and about", i'm pretty sure.

@lolkate: ughhhh i don't understand the obsession with virginity. it just makes me angry. I see my friends a lot dismissing girls because they are a 'slut' or have slept with our friends... who cares who, what and how many? for real, it's not like you are putting miles on it and wearing it out till a point where it's unusual. if the girl is clear of diseases then what difference does it make if she has had sex with 0 persons, or 10, or 1000 or 5 at a time or 3 that same day?

@SarahMC: thanks ;) it is an homage to my simpsons obsession

Since apparently I'm the only straight guy who reads this stuff, or at least feels compelled to comment, I can say with authority that straight men do, in fact care what you look like 'down there'. Some are aethestically pleasing such to the point that you want to do all sorts of fun things to it, and some are (as a result of nature or rather loose - pun intended - behavior) not very attractive.

I don't think most men would make a woman do this by any means, and I also think its bonkers to do this 'to make it feel better' most if not all of the time. But if its merely cosmetic (e.g. trimming some very floppy lips - akin to a circumcision) then why not if it'll make the woman less insecure and/or her partner (not random dudes) happier thereby increasing her happiness as well.

@X on the MTA: Wow. Thanks for that. It really is nice to hear that sort of thing from a guy. That we just need to chill the eff out and be ourselves instead of obsessing.

@nyobserver: Getting your hymen re-done (the "Ted's Special", if you will) is a procedure as old as time itself. Designer Va-Jay-Jays are more than just labia reductions!

@lolkate: I wish women didn't have to get it done. Period. But in places where not being a "virgin bride" can make you homeless or get you killed (practically all of the Muslim world), I can understand a woman getting it done. It could quite literally save her life.

@X on the MTA: You're a good man, X, and there's only so much you can do.

@X on the MTA: unfortch, if one is having sex w/thousands of people, they will most likely not be disease free. as the herps posting from the other day stated, most people in porn have herpes, and 25% of the general public has it too--and it can be transmitted when using a condom. syphillis can be transmitted thru skin contact, and gonnohrea, chlamidia and HPV can all be transmitted thru oral sex. i am certainly no prude, and i don't think sleeping around effects one's worth, but empower yourself--speak up and make your partners get tested. nobody wants 'the sting'

@langtry:

and not just save her life, but allow her to have a very different pre-marital life than she would otherwise. (i'm thinking about this in the context of an article i read about egyptian women coming to the U.S. for college, living a typical young american lifestyle, and then having the surgery and returning to egypt to be married.) i'm pretty conflicted as to what to think about it...

@lolkate: I'm with you on that, definitely. If your life doesn't somehow depend on getting it done, then you shouldn't be considering it. It seems pretty silly for someone who's wanting a Ted's Special.

@ImaRealBoy: I really don't think that sexual activity can substantially change the appearance of the vulva, aside from various lesions or whatnot. Or nasty kinky things involving knives. Just having sex with a lot of dudes, though, isn't going to make the vag look any different than it did pre-deflowering.

Okay ladies- if you don't like any part of your body, simply send me the money you would use to fix your vajayjay,nose,boobs, etc. and I will use it to buy something a little more worthwhile.(heart medicine, a handbag, lotto tickets) These posts always cheer me up so that I know there are people even mor shallow than me :)

@ImaRealBoy: I can say with authority that straight men do, in fact care what you look like 'down there'. Some are aethestically pleasing such to the point that you want to do all sorts of fun things to it, and some are (as a result of nature or rather loose - pun intended - behavior) not very attractive.

Isn't this really the classic case of, "pot calling kettle black?"

I once dated a woman who's vaginal lips were so large when I went down on her I thought I was wearing ear muffs.

@ImaRealBoy: are you fucking kidding me?! does your dick change from having sex with lots of girls? i doubt a vagina does. And seriously, if you are that close to it well, you'd hope you'd be over silly shit like this. Yeah, some are more attractive than others depending on your preferences, but seriously. I mean, you are both naked, and probably engaging in some kind of sexual act where your face is very close to her vadge and you are judging the way it looks, and it matters? really? If this is the case I would be willing to say you have a bigger issue.

Um, I just have to say here that he should be happy he's seeing it at all. Meeting my vadge is a privilege. If he doesn't think she's pretty, he can go fuck himself. Literally.

That is all.

A woman's vagina isn't going to change any more from having sex with lots of men than it would by having regular sex with one man. So guys' future wives are going to have the same kind of vag in 20 years if they married them as virgins as they would've if they married them after they slept around. A penis is a penis. A woman doesn't actually get more "loose" by having many partners.

@nyobserver: I doubt men would even notice the difference if it weren't for the scarring. I am 99% sure that they do not give a shit about the appearance of my vag, as long as there's no foreign shit growing on it.

@ImaRealBoy: Well, I guess this proves me wrong. My assumption was that vag imagery isn't as widely disseminated as pictures of titties, etc are so there isn't an agreed-upon societal ideal. This doesn't rule out personal preferences, but still...peens are ugly, too, aren't these things purely functional?