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The Oh, Hell No Afternoon

  • New York City police arrested Al Sharpton, Sean Bell's fiancĂ©e, Nicole Paultre Bell, and hundreds of other protesters today for staging prayer sessions at the exits of Manhattan in protest over the acquittal of the cops that shot Mr. Bell. Because, obviously, inconveniencing others to protest the loss of life means you should spend time at Rikers. Why did they have to make me like Al Sharpton? [NY Times]
  • Hillary's staying in the race despite the hellishly long odds, hoping that Barack will fuck it up and she can convince the superdelegates to anoint her the candidate. [NY Times]
  • To that end, she had an unannounced meeting in Washington with many of them behind closed doors. There's nothing sketchy-looking about that to the average voter though. [The Atlantic]

6:30 PM on Wed May 7 2008
By ANONYMOUS LOBBYIST
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  • She's already got dem SD's locked up. I ain't mad at her: par for the course.

  • Image of Archetype Archetype at 06:42 PM on 05/07/08 *

    I'm starting to feel hopeless about HRC. I don't like that feeling.

  • Image of PinkSoxHat PinkSoxHat at 06:43 PM on 05/07/08 *

    Who are these people who will buy a souvenir from Jenna Bush's wedding? I don't want free favors from the weddings of people I know, that I actually attend.

  • @PinkSoxHat: People who think they can sell them on eBay for a profit?

  • Image of blackbirdfly blackbirdfly at 06:46 PM on 05/07/08 *

    This might sound wrong or strange, but sometimes being arrested is the best outcome of a protest. It increases awareness. The media attention goes through the roof, more people hear about it and then more people get involved in the cause.

    Of course, you have to go to jail. Big ass drawback.

  • Mad props to NC, though, for releasing a Death Row inmate! I did a little work on that case, but stopped volunteering with his defense, so this was the first I heard of him actually getting released. This makes me really happy, and proud.

  • Hilary or Barack; whoever wins the nom, I will vote the shit outta them.

  • Image of Archetype Archetype at 06:52 PM on 05/07/08 *

    @brendahamLincoln: You and me both.

  • Image of blackbirdfly blackbirdfly at 06:53 PM on 05/07/08 *

    @dictator4life1: That's great. I don't even want to get started on the topic of resuming executions and how eager the death penalty states are to hurry up and kill somebody because I will never stop. And see, I did it anyway. Fuck. No, Blackbird, NO.

  • Hil - you were my girl.

    Now, it's gotta stop.

  • Image of jenndavo jenndavo at 06:54 PM on 05/07/08 *

    Remember: 53% of "average voters" can't tell their ass from a hole in the ground, if 2004 taught us anything. So, you know, good luck explaining the "wooing of superdelegates" thing to them.

    Pardon me, I'm off to drink and cry. AGAIN.

  • Image of ronaldpagan ronaldpagan at 06:55 PM on 05/07/08 *

    Classy move, NYPD. Arresting people for praying. Why didn't you just gun them all down? Worst case scenario, you're out $50.

    @blackbirdfly: True. That's what Al Sharpton was counting on.

  • @PinkSoxHat: I imagine it would be a middle-aged woman from the South or Midwest. Her name is Shirley, and she is slightly overweight. She collects Precious Moments and has a lot of cats. She loves GWB and longs to put the "Bush Wedding 2008" coffee cup in her display cabinet. Right between the Precious Moment doll picking flowers and the Minnie Mouse figurines.

  • Image of ronaldpagan ronaldpagan at 06:58 PM on 05/07/08 *

    This is from the "Conservatives are Happier than Liberals" article:

    The rationalization measure included statements such as: "This country would be better off if we worried less about how equal people are."

    Did they steal that from "Animal Farm"?

  • @ronaldpagan: Gunning down unarmed folks got them into this mess in the first place.

    Hey Now!

  • @Archetype: Yeah, me too. I wonder if the folks in the Alamo felt like this before Santa Anna attacked.

    Still, I support HRC 110% as long as she's still in it. I remember all to well "wanting" Gore to give up in 2000 because I felt burnt out. No way my support is wavering this time.

    That being said, I'm really hoping for a unity ticket at this point.

  • Image of jenndavo jenndavo at 06:59 PM on 05/07/08 *

    @misssgolightly: Shirley still has the Princess Di/Prince Charles nuptials on tape. She like to watch it on Wednesday afternoons as she sinks into her Barcalounger and eats Mallomars.

    The SUPERIOR marshmallow cookie.

  • @rose0red: I just think it would be incredibly unfair for the superdelegates to choose the candidate who has the least votes, don't you?

  • .

  • Did you actually bother to READ the article? They weren't arrested for praying, or protesting, but for blocking traffic.

    "Several hundred protesters briefly shut down traffic at entrances to the Queensboro Bridge, the Triborough Bridge, the Brooklyn Bridge and the Manhattan Bridge and the Holland Tunnel and Queens-Midtown Tunnel this afternoon"

    Good for you for protesting, good for you for expressing disappointment in a ruling. Bad for you in feeling the need to disrupt the lives of others from doing their jobs, getting home to see families, making it to work on-time.

    Sorry, I don't have sympathy for protesters arrested while breaking the law.

  • Christ.

  • @brendahamLincoln: Haha, thanks for that. I haven't had a good giggle since... well, before last night's primary results!

  • Image of SinisterRouge SinisterRouge at 07:13 PM on 05/07/08 *

    @Miss Smith Drank Your Vodka: FUCK THAT.

    If her voters want her to go on and she can. LET HER. PLENTY of people have gone to the bitter end with a MUCH bigger gap. Like 600+ delegates. No one ever told them to drop the fuck out.

    FUCK THAT.
    My girl should stay in as long as she wants to. And if those other states get excited to vote then let them.

    And Megs, you're being a bit disingenuous since the SD's are there independently and can vote whichever way they please. Nothing nefarious about it. I don't think she'll make it, but FUCK anyone who tells her she shouldn't.

  • Image of SinisterRouge SinisterRouge at 07:15 PM on 05/07/08 *

    @ceejeemcbeegee (AKA!): They would never. The point is thought HOWEVER UNLIKELY there are 6 more states/territories left to vote. She could very well catch up and surpass him in the pop vote, however unlikely.

    And don't EVEN get me started about how we refuse to count FL voters. And before y'all give me some Bullshit about the ROOLZ, the VOTERS did nothing wrong. The FL party did.

  • @SinisterRouge: I just meant, her biggest problem right now is making winning via the supers not look shady (i.e., the perception problem). The way to do that is NOT to tell the media you're in WV all day and then sneak into DC for a private meeting with undecided supers at the DCCC. And you know it's not.

  • Then what is the point of protesting? Whaddayou, new?@Xavoc:

  • Image of blackbirdfly blackbirdfly at 07:19 PM on 05/07/08 *

    @Xavoc: I'm not sure who your comment is directed to, but yeah, I read the article, and yeah, I know why they were arrested. I don't have sympathy for cops who shoot unarmed citizens.

    Civil disobedience. I'm sure you've heard of it.

  • Image of lisas lisas at 07:19 PM on 05/07/08 *

    When it comes to Myanmar, my understanding is that Myanmar is the correct name if the country is being written about, and Burma if it is being spoken about.

    As someone from an area that reclaimed original Dene (mostly) and Inuktitut names from before they were whitewashed, it was made obvious to me that it would be disrespectful on my part to continue using the old white names. However, the names weren't changed by a junta so maybe different rules apply.

    Just putting that out there.

  • Image of J.D.Regent J.D.Regent at 07:20 PM on 05/07/08 *

    @blackbirdfly: Seriously, Al Sharpton's been trying to get arrested for like a decade now. But damn, the NYPD has got to get a better PR team.

  • @SinisterRouge: If there are still more votes to be cast, of course she shouldn't drop out.

    Maybe because I don't trust the Clinton camp further than I could toss a truck...

  • Fuck traffic! Sean Bell is dead!

  • @SinisterRouge: She won't concede. KY's primary is next week, and she started off her campaign with a 30 point lead in her favor. I believe WV is next, and she's going to win that too.

    The only other one I know about is OR, but Obama's going to win that one.

    She still has the Nuclear Option left, if she can get MI and FL seated in her favor. A seating of MI and FL as they are now though is unlikely.

  • I don't see anything wrong with HRC continuing her campaign. Although she isn't who I would vote for, I do admire her unwillingness to give up despite what others say. It is very possible that I'm naive, but to me it just shows how much she wants it.

    That being said, the whole issue of the SD is disheartening, because it doesn't matter who wins the popular vote. Howard Dean has said that the SD's will most likely choose HRC because of her electability. I would think that the popular vote would show who is more electable. But what do I know? I refuse to be apathetic to the process, but it still frustrates me.

  • Image of briardahl briardahl at 07:23 PM on 05/07/08 *

    @Xavoc: Not to nitpick the ramifications of this, but saying "I don't have any sympathy for protesters arrested while breaking the law" technically means you are against MLK, Rosa Parks, the Civil Rights movement, lunch-counter sit-ins, Nelson Mandela, Gandhi, etc. ...

    (And I know you're probably distinguishing between unfair laws that are being tested and ordinary traffic/public-assembly laws, but that's actually not black and white with any of those issues)

    @Megan Carpentier: Haha surely her biggest problem right now is getting any kind of meaningful superdelegate sway in the first place -- THEN she can start worrying about how winning that way will burn away a whole lot of the trust a whole lot of people have in the party

  • @misssgolightly: under the Thomas Kinkaid lighthouse painting, natch.

  • even though it's pretty much mathematically impossible to catch up to Obama at this point, I'm kind of enjoying watching her fight to the bitter, bitter end.

  • @lisas: Burma is the name used before the junta, Myanamar is what the junta changed it to. The US refuses to use the name Myanmar. Please see a good explanation here

    @Gundam_Halo: West Virginia's primary is next week. KY and OR are on the 20th. Actually, at this stage, even if she gets MI and FL fully seated (unlikely: I think they'll get half delegations as allowed under the rules) Obama is still beating her in the pledged delegates by 100 or so and in the popular vote by 200K. Also, if she wins KY or WV by 30 points, it will be the first time with that margin since she won Arkansas on Super Tuesday.

  • @sabbaticalplease: ahahah Oh, Thomas Kinkade.
    My dad buys them like crazy for his business, cause "people love them." And they LOVE THEM.
    All these women come in, trying to be sophisticated, and are like "Oh honey! It's a Kinkade! Oh we MUST get one for the living room."

  • Image of SinisterRouge SinisterRouge at 07:33 PM on 05/07/08 *

    @Gundam_Halo: I think at this point why not go to the end? You're gonna let 45 states vote and tell the last 4 to go fuck themselves? That's not cool at all.

  • And Jezebel,

    Some of us would appreciate a little more energy directed towards issues like the Sean Bell case, and less towards fishing out lost 9-day-old tampons.

    Just saying...

  • @SinisterRouge: I fully agree with you there. Let's just finish this thing out. And for once, the whole country is heard.

    Chris Matthews is recapping the meeting Hillary had with the DNC today... and really theyre just saying the same thing theyve been saying all day: She keeps going.

  • @SinisterRouge: You and I agree there, staying in until the end at this point is like six of one, half a dozen of the other. I do, however, feel a little skeeved that she's like "I have to stay in for the working waitress moms who send me $20 every month." Why keep taking their money?

  • @blackbirdfly: Allegedly one of the patrons in the group said, "yo, get my gun and kill that dumb white bitch" as they were leaving. Cops overheard this. Then something bad happened.

    It's a tragedy, but more than one of the individuals involved had been arrested previously for posession of illegal firearms in the past.

    @briardahl: This isn't quite the same thing at all. This wasn't racism, this was an accident because someone had to make the statement quoted above. If that isn't threatening language, I do not know what is.

    What happened after that is basically a tragedy in its own right. Driver saw guys w/ guns, and hit the gas hitting a unmarked police van. In police terms, that's called vehicular assault. The police then open fired fearing for their own lives. It's what they're trained to do when someone appears to be using a vehicle as a weapon.

    Like I said, sad, tragic, but not criminal. I doubt any of those officers is happy about having shot someone, let alone the person dying.

  • @ceejeemcbeegee (AKA!): Luckily, you get both! Hoorah!

  • @Megan Carpentier: The seating of MI and FL in any combinations gives her more basis to act on her Nuclear Option. Her wins in KY and WV will help argue for it, but her loss in NC and small win percentage in IN hurts the argument.

    The window of opportunity is shrinking for her though (for her nuclear option), her superdelegate lead has shrunk to 10 as of today.

  • Image of ronaldpagan ronaldpagan at 07:40 PM on 05/07/08 *

    @Xavoc: What everyone said. And protesters block traffic all the time.

    @SinisterRouge: If she wins 85% of the vote in all the remaining states (of which, West Virginia, Kentucky, Puerto Rico, and possibly South Dakota will go to her, while Montana and Oregon will go to Obama) she will still not have caught up to Obama in delegates. And I will definitely not get you started on Florida. She has a right to stay in as long as she wants, but she needs to tone down her attacks or she will be doing outrageous damage to the party in the service of a mathematical impossibility. (I was glad she said that about working for whoever the democratic is yesterday; hopefully a step in the right direction.)

  • @SinisterRouge: I'm not disagreeing with you.

  • Is a McCain/Romney ticket a for REAL possibility as Chris Matthews is making it??

    Because that could be the best.news.ever for the Dems in November.

  • @Megan Carpentier: And why keep spending it when the economy is getting worse? Why not say, "Enough" and start returning unspent funds to those who sent them in?

    Unless they seat MI and FL, she's basically going to lose at this point. If they seat MI and FL, then she's screwing Obama for abiding by the rules that the DNC had agreed to well before the process.

    The DNC isn't screwing people out of their votes, the state parties did that for their constituants. If you should be angry at anyone, be angry at them and remove them from office. "Your decision to not abide by the rules you had previously agreed to have negated my vote. Get the fuck out."

  • Image of briardahl briardahl at 07:47 PM on 05/07/08 *

    @Xavoc: That's a fine reading of the Bell situation,* if you like it, but it's completely unrelated to what I said, which is that "I don't have sympathy for protesters arrested while breaking the law" is a really broad statement that I'm not sure you'd always agree with, in principle. (For instance, when civil rights marchers and activists were set upon by police, not just for breaking segregation laws, but for "posing threads to public safety," "disrupting the peace," "unlawfully assembling," etc.)

    * P.S. Another reading of the Bell incident might be that it is not an acceptable accident when New York police have a weird recurring habit of unleashing ridiculous dozens-and-dozens of bullets into unarmed black men, and that maybe something is wrong if we really consider those lives as expendable "accidental" damage and give police carte blanche to dump several clips into anything that frightens them for a second.

  • @ronaldpagan: Actually, marches that disrupt traffic usually are coordinated with municipalities ahead of time. You can file permits for protest routes, get police escorts to ensure safety of the marches, and allow people to plan around disruptions in their lives. For all we know an ambulance couldn't get somewhere to save someone because it was stuck in traffic jams caused by the protest.

    A group of people wanted to march to the Cardinals stadium during the BCS bowl game a few years ago and were arrested for crossing a police line after their permit to march was denied. They wanted to disrupt traffic surrounding an event holding +20,000 people to do so, for the sake of immigration reform.

  • @Megan Carpentier: Erm... no.