Vice has an interview with Renata Molho, who was a stylist and writer in Milan in the 1980s, a wild time known as Milano da bere or "drinking Milan." Ms. Molho describes an era in which the fashion industry was full of creative people and fresh ideas. Magazine editors didn't cave to the pressure of advertisers; they wrote about the designers, the styles, the fashions that they actually found exciting. "Just think about the power that press offices have today," Ms. Molho says. "They probably dictate 80 percent of what is written. It wasn't so in the '80s. Fashion magazines were made by individuals with taste, or lack of taste, but they expressed opinions."
Then, in the early 90s, it all came crashing down, due to corruption in the Italian parliament, bankruptcy in the cities, deaths from AIDS and a lack of money in general. But Ms. Molho maintains it was great while it lasted. And possibly the fashion magazines were a lot more fun. Plus! Ms. Mohlo has some great insights about working in the industry: "There was a time when quality paid off," she says.
On being a young, low-on-the-totem-pole stylist:
"I instantly learned that the difficult parts of this job are the small ones. When you have the amazing dress and the famous photographer, you don't really have to do any work."On the vibe in Milan in the 80s:
Easy money, constant partying, and one out of two people in the street was a foreigner. It was a very superficial atmosphere, but it was vibrant. The fashion money funded the arts. Think about the Fiorucci store that was entirely painted by Keith Haring. There was a sensation that everything was possible."On why no one should go to fashion school:
"These schools today are pretty useless. They are very theoretical. What do you need theory for? Nothing. What you need is experience, to have lived and seen and done other things in life. I taught for a while and I used to tell my students: 'Seeing one picture by Chagall is much more important than reading all the issues of Vogue ever published.'"On Giorgio Armani, whose biography she penned:
"Studying him and talking to all the people in his life, I think I managed to understand the reasoning behind some of his actions. There's a telling episode in his life. When his life partner, Sergio Galeotti, died, the only daily that mentioned AIDS was Rome's Messaggero. Immediately after that, Armani canceled his advertising account with that paper. It became something of a media scandal. Researching him as a person, I see that as an act of love aimed at the preservation of a man's dignity rather than an act of spite."On what happened after the magical '80s ended:
"Everything turned into a soulless homage to other things we had seen before. Think about the era of successive revivals that began after the 80s. For example, even today in most runway shows the music is nothing but a mix of 60s, 70s, and 80s music. It's a big empty hole. Nothing is exciting anymore, and most things are tremendously boring. Often, the best things are written by unknown editors and journalists, while the big names seem to sign things off with their left hand. Haven't you noticed that nobody expresses an opinion anymore?"Here's an opinion: If the pendulum would only swing back the other way, fashion (designers, magazines, ads, models) would be a whole lot less boring.
Drinking Milan [Vice]












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"When you have the amazing dress and the famous photographer, you don't really have to do any work."
How has this changed? Bar-baw?
I don't know if I should be thrilled or chilled by the fact that I just realized how much my life (and Austin in general) is like Milan in the 80s.
Interesting option about fashion school. Although, I suppose you could say this about any of the arts.
I still want to learn how to sew, though. I harbor deep-seeded fantasies of becoming an apparel designer.
Hey now, Anna Wintour has opinions. Like, "fur is good", and "food is bad".
My opinion: Reminiscing can make any decade sound a little bit better and infinitely more glamorous.
@Archetype: Er, deep-seated. Forgive me.
Fashion schools are useless because all it takes for anyone to be a fashion designer is to be a singer or an actor or be in a shitty reality tv show about how you are a shitty teenager.
@MedalofPetals: Unless it's the 70's.
@ineffable.me: Thanks for THAT reminder.
@Archetype: well i have to live with it everyday so im just passing on the favor :)
Didn't the 80's kind of *define* soullessness?
@Archetype: I want to learn how to sew too!
If only to design my own fab frocks that fit me like a glove. Oh, and to hem my pants well. Because I have the shorties.
"These schools today are pretty useless. They are very theoretical. What do you need theory for? Nothing."
Somewhere, a teary-eyed Slavoj Zizek is cancelling his subscription to Vogue, erasing Renata's number from his Blackberry, and blowing one last lonely rail.
Ooh, remember when fashion was inspired and important and sexy and....?
Oh, wait. It was still just FASHION, and therefore meaningless and superficial at its core.
@Notes from the underwhelmed: People in the 90's talked about how horrid and corporate the 80's were. The 90's liked the 60's.
So I think it's a rebuff the generation after yours kind-of-thing.
Though I do miss my 80's childhood, where the pressing issue of each morning was whether to wear my My Lil Pony or Rainbow Brite underwear.
@ohgoodness: keep milan weird
@ineffable.me: I want to make some comment about how your comment sounds all angry and whatever, but all I can come up with is how much I agree.
@zivah: You make me sad, zivah.
I'm confused about the Armani anecdote - is she saying Armani was trying to keep the boyfriends dignity by hiding the disease/cause of death?
So I guess that means Rachel Zoe was almost right: Anna Wintour's not the most important person in fashion. Her ad reps are.
Everyone is always bitching about how things used to be better back then and everything now sucks, but twenty years from now they'll bitch about things used to be great back in the early 2000's and everything in the future is lame and derivative.
It's called retrospection dysmorphia, and I'm trying to cure myself of it.
@ineffable.me: @ohgoodness: Yes and if it's not that, it's people starting companies making incredibly stupid product and marketing it well enough that people buy it.
@hamburgerhotdog: I'm terrified of the future. But 2007 SUCKED.
Fashion school is community college for people that think they're too good to actually work.
What's this? A Vice article that's actually informative, insightful, and lacks desperate political incorrectness? That zine is going downhill.
@Miss Smith Drank Your Vodka: I miss not wearing clothes, full stop.
@washionfore: There's a difference between a vocational fashion school and a art school where you can study fashion. In my opinion, that is.
@washionfore: Really? I thought it was for textile artists interested in carrying on a trade that has been going on for centuries. I must be mistaken.
@hamburgerhotdog: I know, it annoys me when older people do it and then I find myself talking about how much better it was in the '90s. I'm becoming my parents!
@washionfore: are you dissing community colleges or tech schools? because that's just wrong
@zivah: @washionfore: get off your high horse.
@ohgoodness: oh, im totally angry.
@hortense: And let's not forget the textile sciences.
Yo, people.....where do you think your Gortex came from? And those fire-resistant blankets your kids sleep with?
@Archetype: People who attend FIT work really hard and there are a lot of things about sewing and patternmaking and design that are quite difficult. That's like saying most 4 star chefs could have learned just as well from the Betty Crocker cookbook.
@ineffable.me: I am immensely curious about your background.....
Ah, hell. The only glamorous things to come out of the 80s are Joan Collins' turbans and Sheila E. We all knew how embarrassing and tacky the 80s were while living through them. Nobody needs reminded about neon, 80s hair, and fringed leather Bon Jovi jackets.
@hamburgerhotdog: Totally.
And, in full disclosure. I studied textiles (fashion, whathaveyou) at a UC.
I would never dismiss vocational (wave of the future, IMO) or community colleges. Are they different than, say, the Rhode Island School of Design or FIT? Yes.
@Archetype: Santa!! Duh.
@Archetype: I love fashion, srsly, even though I kind of dress like I got kicked out of 2002, but I kinda agree with zivah sometimes - fashion can be really vapid and stupid and senseless.
But then sometimes it's just weird and pretty and transcendent and you go "dude, I wish I could wear that." WHAT MAKES ME SAY THAT!? Wearing weird transcendent shit isn't gonna keep me any warmer in winter, or keep me and my (future) offspring alive, or bring me food.* What is it about fashion that appeals to some and repels others?
I think it means different things to different people.
*Unless it is a giant dress made of blueberry muffins.
@Archetype: what do you mean?
Is that Paulina on the cover??
@tscheese: Sure it does, but I have a serious pet peeve with people who dismiss fashion as silly and vapid.
There are many ways to frame fashion, and some people differentiate between fashion as a commodity and clothing as utility.
Still.....I throw down for fashion/apparel/clothing/textiles. And that is all.
@Miss Smith Drank Your Vodka: it is reallllly easy. ask for a sewing machine for your next birthday!
@DorothyZbornak: And the Circle of Life is complete. I actually used the phrase, "things were so much simpler back then" to refer to the 80s, which is insane, because nothing was simple about Zoobahs and studded gloves.
"These schools today are pretty useless. They are very theoretical. What do you need theory for? Nothing. What you need is experience, to have lived and seen and done other things in life. I taught for a while and I used to tell my students: 'Seeing one picture by Chagall is much more important than reading all the issues of Vogue ever published."
Having an understanding of theory clarifies your experiences. I HAVE lived and seen and done other things, but without that piece of paper to prove I have mastered the basics, including theory, all my life experience does is enrich MY own life. Having experienced life is great, for yourself, but without that piece of paper, you have precious little chance to prove you've got what it takes to be investment-worthy.
Education is NEVER a waste of time.
@ineffable.me: It's just that you're obviously really interested in fashion (as am I) so I was curious about your academic and/or professional background.
Better handled in messages though, sorry for getting off-topic all!
@Miss Smith Drank Your Vodka: Almost positive it's not. That's Yasmin Le Bon below, though.
@Archetype: I kinda see it just like any other art. There's art that totally goes over my head. There's art that I think sucks. There's art that makes me want to say to it, "o hai, art, can I have your babies?"
...But, like, then there are the ridiculous sartorial choices of the rich n' famous, and then EEEVERYONE thinks they have to wear leggings all the time.
Are leggings art?
@Archetype: fashion is art you can wear. Definitely worth throwing down for.
@Miss Smith Drank Your Vodka: Wondering the same thing!
@DorothyZbornak: Well, since everything old becomes new again you'll be wearing cut off denim shorts, tights and DMs with a ratty cardigan all over again in no time...and then you'll remember just how sort of ugly it was in the first place...just like I'm doing right now with all the 80's revivals stuff. 'Effing leggings, I thought I rid myself of you in 1989.
@hamburgerhotdog: HA HA HA
I AM SO WEARING DENIM SHORTS WITH TIGHTS AND DMS WITH A CARDIGAN TODAY.
no joke.
@tscheese: Oh my, I hope not.....
I don't look at fashion through any one lens, really. I think it's fine to approach it in many ways.
But, how people adorn themselves and manage their appearance is one of the oldest and most fundamental ways in which we communicate. And I think it's cool :-) And endlessly interesting.
@Archetype: @Archetype: Don't do it! Everything I learned about it I learned on the job, and most of my fashion industry coworkers did not have degrees.