Hahaha. I love irrational hatred/rage. Be my friend, Moe.

I wonder if (hope) my email inspired one of these rants!

Well, then I wouldn't recommend you read this month's Bitch magazine, where you have replaced the Jane Magazine Petty Complains Column.

I think Abby's advice blew (she abviously took the letter seriously). And on that justification alone, she should quit. Whether or not Dan Savage expects Jezebel to ignore bad advice because the letter is fake is not the issue. The issue is that a female advice columnist told America that if your wife says your brother raped her, she is a liar. That is all.

I love that she was still irate at 10:04 pm to shoot off a message from her blackberry. i hope it was a drunken one.

This is fucking rad.
I hope this is a recurring column.

@eleanorstrousers: exactly - even if the letter was fake, if Abby decided to print it, she should give an appropriate response

Yay Moe!

I know we're supposed to be nice and all, but Dan Savage is a giant douchenozzle.

@hamburgerhotdog: Aaack! No way! Why does Bitch hate Jezebel?! Whywhywhywhywhy?!

This is like when two of my awesome friends have a stupid fight and I can't deal with my divided loyalties.

Wow, this is too funny!

Dan Savage, women are use to faking it...

I love Savage Love, but Dan got this wrong. The advice was read by millions who didn't have Dan's fake-spotting skills, and to them her advice applied to what they imagined as to be a real situation. And her advice was fucked.

A recap: Dear Abby is a shit for the advice, Dan Savage is a shit for not realizing that advice can suck even if the letter was fake.

It is definitely funny that she just continued to flip about about it all day long.

I've had days and issues like that.

@special_boots: It's in the new issue and it was written by a commenter here on the boards. WHO COULD IT BE???

Yeah, I said it was fake. Lot of people agreed. What we were pissed about is that Abby's response was crappy. Doesn't Dan Savage have some poor trisexual hooker who's into spanking he can go advise?

@special_boots: Word! Whose table am I suppose to sit at during lunch?

@hamburgerhotdog: really? is there a link?

@hamburgerhotdog: Links? Website? How do I read this?

He is obviously an annoying little man, as we know the only interesting Savage is Fred.

If feminist blogs are so awful, why are you reading them Danny-boy?

@hamburgerhotdog: What is it? What is it?!

Lurves you Moe for using "Aaaack!" together with "Fuck fan savage!" I routinely use Aaaack! and Erp! and Derf! in my written communications.

@ineffable.me: @blondegrlz: I think you have to buy it--or check on their website. I would but I'm blocked.

Moe! Don't forget the horse he rode in on.

Jeez, this must be a testicle thing, because I was suspicious of the letter for different reasons. I'm thinking men can smell each other's bullshit. It would be a different set of circumstances if the woman had written about the sex she thought she'd had with her husband only to find out he never joined her that night and one of his brothers did. Then I'd join you with the hanging rope.

But I hope it's fake. I know shit like this (and worse) happens all the time, but I do hope it's fake. I still shudder from the son whose father was fucking the son's wife for twenty years. It ended when she confessed and then killed herself.

@jezebellian: NotAbby is apparently pretty slow on the uptake.

@special_boots: If I remember correctly, the Bitch column was focusing mostly on Moe's Hilary tears/stupid women voters rant, which a lot of Jezzies got pissed off about too. So loyalties don't have to be completely divided. Or so I tell myself.

@hamburgerhotdog: I'm really curious about that too!

I knew we were soul mates Moe. When somebody aggravates me like that, I too have to repeatedly remind people as I get more and more aggravated. I do the same thing if I'm hungry and don't get food, I just start telling everybody "I'm hungry" and it gets louder and louder.

Dear Dan Savage,
Bite me.
xo,
HD

Fake or not, Abby's reply was the problem. A national columnist should not be sending the message of, "Women who have been raped are lying about it." Messages like these are exactly what makes the "she was asking for it" mentality so prevalent in our culture. Women are not to blame when they are raped. They are the victims. The only people who should be looked at with distain and disgust in a rape case are the rapists.

Ok, here's the timeline:
1) Person writes fake letter asking for advice about a fake rape scenario
2) Dear Abby responds saying the best thing to do is not believe the victim's description of the event and to accuse her of willfully cheating on her husband
3) Feminist bloggers say that Abby's advice was nasty bullshit
4) Dan Savage asserts that feminist bloggers should have ignored Dear Abby's nasty bullshit advice because the letter was fake.

Ok, so Dan Savage likes to beat up on feminists, Dear Abby likes to beat up on rape victims, the letter writer likes to beat off to rape scenarios, I like to beat my head against the wall.

@Leiakat: And Fred Savage is the voice of Oswald the Octopus... that's what happens when your toddler watches Noggin all the time, you learn these things. It's hard to reconcile that with the psycho he played on Law & Order: SVU.

Savage is clearly just mad that Jezebel gets more readers than he does.

I have no idea if that's true or not, btw, but it's the story I'm sticking with.

Go Moe. This is hilarious.

I remember someone asking Dr. Ruth years and years ago why she answers obvious joke or made up questions seriously. She answered that even if the person asking the question didn't have the particular problem that was being asked about, someone in her audience probably did. So I don't think the veracity of the letter at hand is really the point.

That said: what the fuck is Dan Savage's problem?

@hamburgerhotdog: ok, ill check it out.
i obviously wont give them money of they have beef with the jez.

WHAT. A. DOUCHE.
And reading that letter just creeped me the fuck out.

@hamburgerhotdog: That makes me cry! I don't always agree with everything on Jezebel, but I don't always agree with everything in Bitch, either, and I love them both for pretty similar reasons. I hate feminist infighting in all its nefarious incarnations.

@BrutallyHonestBabes: Oh now see I love that too. "Ack!" reminds me of Bill the Dead Cat who ran for president in the oooold "Bloom County" cartoon. It was his answer to even the most controversial question. His second most common answer, which I often say but dont write, was "Thfffftthh!"

@ineffable.me: @blondegrlz: @SarahMC:
Unfortunately, they don't have it up on their website. I'll try to remember to reread it and sum it up this evening for you guys.

@braak: It's amazing, but even if you write someone off as crap, they can still get under your nails and irritate you.

@CarrieMC: I bow to your superior mastery of nutshelling.

@ineffable.me: No, read 'em, it's actually a really great magazine with very interesting articles, which is why I was totally surprized. They also ranted about fashionista.com in the same column, which is like apples and oranges.

Hilarious, Moe! Fuck Dan Savage indeed.

@cate3710: Oh, that's a bit of a relief! Thank you!

But still, it's not like Bitch is perfect. I don't want 'em sniping at each other!

If Bitch mag had beef w/ that awful Hillary post, more power to them, as it SUCKED.

Dear Ms. Savage,

We, the assembled members of Jezebel, do, on this day, the 27th of March, in the year of someone's Lord 2008, do hereby pronounce, with mailce in thought, that you are a twit. Scuttle back under the rock from which you slithered and leave the good citizens of Jezebel and their duly-appointed leader, Moe, in peace.

Signed,

NefariousNewt, for the majority.

@ineffable.me: Actually, and this is for everyone, there's an awesome article about dealing with cyberbullying in online communities in this month's issue that I highly recommend.

@NefariousNewt: I'll gladly sign.

@zivah:
Exactly. To me, the column smacked of egotism. Dan wants everyone to know that, because he gets fake letters from fetishists on a daily basis, HE can spot them. Too bad Abby's readers aren't well-versed on Savage Love and might actually make something of Abby's poor advice.

I like Dan but his column occasionally drives me a little crazy. This week was utterly useless.

@hamburgerhotdog: Oh yeah? You bob for apples in the toilet... and you like it!

Cyberbully that, Bitch*!

*the mag, not you

(Sorry guys... I'm in a weird mood today).

The article in Bitch does not insult Jezebel as a whole. In fact it says "a quick scan of comments on any given post reveal [the posters] to be a sharp and politically engaged bunch." The article in Bitch is about Moe's politically attitudes and her response to many readers, specially her post about Clinton crying and women voters. It's fair criticism.

This Dan Savage bullshit is not. Way to miss the point, Dan. Sigh.

I gotta say I'm not seeing where Savage is ripping Jez. He's saying we were all a little bit naive, but I don't think that's much of a slam. After all, Moe and the other Jez eds aren't advice columnists - they're writers and editors - so why should they be expected to spot a fake the way someone like Savage (who's been doing his advice schtick for years) can? Truth is, they have a much harder job. All Savage has to do is field odd letters, give his opinion, and show up at web conferences.

Even if he's being a dick to my beloved Jezebel, I still adore Dan Savage.