
Don't get us wrong, our anonymous model Tatiana has had a busy couple weeks. (Europe! Magazine photo shoots! The private satisfaction of being anonymously "famous" on the internet!) But in a business where nothing is real (except hunger pangs) she sometimes finds herself pondering the age-old question, how IS it that some of these girls get so fucking famous? Exhibit A: Karlie Kloss (left). The young Texan is suddenly the Most Famous Person In Modeling. And in fashion, if you're not talking about how great she is, you're drunkenly wondering aloud to your friends what the fuck is so great about her. This and other pressing Modelslips questions, answered by Jezebel's most symmetrically-featured contributor, after the jump.
The crush of castings and shows taking place in my temporary European home has obliterated my sense of narrative/grip on objective reality. To be recovered post-fashion week, when I can think again? I've had a full head of makeup applied and wiped off four times in the last 24 hours, entire bottles of Elnett have been applied to and then brushed out of my locks, and even my favorite heels have given my gnarled hooves blisters that tingle as I type. But — even though I come to you without a coherent anecdote to relay, I still had your handy questions to occupy my mind. What do professional models think of Miss Tyra and her cyclic night-time T.V. series? How do you get the most from a client who's paying in clothes? Sweatshops: do they weigh on anyone's conscience in fashion-land? And what's up with those agencies and their wacky commissions? That's what I'm here for!
From "squeakel":
Anyway, Tatiana, since you brought up the subject of established models, maybe you can answer something I've wondered for ages. What's so different about the girls who become successful? Why do these particular girls get so much buzz? I've seen so many workaday models who seem just as beautiful and compelling as the more famous ones.
If I knew that, I'd found an agency and get rich! I do know that it involves buzz, and often a crucial meeting with one casting director. Douglas Perrett, for example. Or Russell Marsh. Katie Grand, a stylist, has done a lot for Rachel Clark's career.
Sometimes, people just sort of fill a niche that seems to be lacking. Exhibit Karlie Kloss, the undisputed model of the moment. She is 15. She used to model for Macy's inserts. That is supposed to be a no-no. Ha!
She's American.
She's the anti-Agyness.
And yet, she is Agyness.
I met a photographer for Dazed and Confused during New York Fashion Week who told me that I was "too pretty" to work shows. (There are definitely girls who only surface during show season, nab every booking, and then disappear while the rest of us slog off to catalog jobs and magazine edits. Given how poorly paid shows are I have no idea how they eat; but it's true that they tend to be the weirder-looking models.) Whatever; I took it as a compliment.
From "ericablue":
I am completely fascinated by "paid in trade". Do you get to choose what you want? Do you keep what you are wearing? What if it is hideous?
Payment in trade can happen many ways, always at the designer's discretion. You might get a simple gift card, or an invitation to the showroom (which means you might have access to samples and next season's line). Other times someone will hand you a Mystery Bag as you leave, and you inside will find a t-shirt and a jar of face cream. Once I received a set of temporary acrylic nails, and self-adhesive nail diamantes.
Incidentally: I know one of the girls who dyed their hair blue for Marc Jacobs two seasons ago. She got a handbag. Jacobs has yet to book her for any subsequent show.
From "PhillyLass":
So, for those shows that pay cash money, what happens to the clothes? They can't sell them, can they? So, who gets to snag them?
It's one of the persistent mysteries of fashion. Some houses keep runway samples because they are the only extant iterations of their nascent lines, and they will become production prototypes. Some keep them to send to magazines for editorials. Some keep them just because — in which case you might be able to bat your eyelids and flatter and beg for a gorgeous pair of shoes or a dress you know you'd totally rock. I tend to have good luck with shoes. When they're a designer's own, and not some random borrowed/sponsored pair, you can often get some person with a headset to say "Just take them..."
I think, very occasionally, samples survive being weeded-out by grabby models, editors, and design team underlings long enough to get rounded up and sold in actual sample sales.
From "hammerimissu":
What a waste. Why are you in this industry if you admit its vacant and abuses human life via sweat shops and people who pay up the twat for "knockoff of something old" clothes.
I understand that this was more of a rhetorical gesture than a question, but it's still a sentiment I think about. Often.
The thing is, I don't believe fashion is "vacant", or at least that it's not always and necessarily so. I've met makeup artists with law degrees, refugee-from-academia stylists, and editors with genuine booksmarts. Miuccia Prada is a political science Ph.D.; I defy anyone to call her an intellectual slouch. There is creative talent housed in the rarefied echelons of high fashion — whether it's embodied by the sample sewer who apprenticed for seven years to get her padstitching up to couture standards, the designer who dreams about Proust and ancient Greece and the use of lustre in Islamic pottery, or the critical mind who parses these labors for the public. I refuse to be told that caring about fashion is for stupid women. In fact, I think that the main reason fashion is not always considered intellectually respectable is because it's largely run by, and concerns, women. Modeling is one of the few areas where women out-earn men: if I'm stupid for participating in it, I'd be far dumber to turn it down.
Not every label is run by competent, interesting, sharp-minded people. And there are plenty of commercially successful lines where the folks in charge are utterly craven. But I do meet people in this industry who have more stamps on their passports than a squad of diplomatic attachés, and who can talk about art or ancient Egypt or Italian cooking (in several fluent languages!) as well as they can hemlines.
I don't have an answer to the sweat shops. The raises-all-boats theory is crap; the economics of an industry that plucks some girls from third-world countries out of poverty and into something like fame, at the same time as it indirectly employs hundreds of thousands of other third-world girls at starvation wages, are difficult for me to weigh in on. The apparel industry has long been marked by inequality, and even a kind of systematized woman-on-woman economic violence: Victorian mill girls and garment workers also worked in underpaid and dangerous conditions to make finery for fabulously wealthy women. For all I know, so did the women who made the Roman senators' wives their purple-edged stolas.
When you buy an overpriced designer dress, at least you know that in addition to paying for the brand's imputed "value", and its marketing, and all the rest of that crap, you're also paying for centuries-old Italian silk mills to stay in business, and for retirement benefits for sewers who live middle-class lives in France. When you buy a knockoff or a chain-store cheapie, you're probably just propping up Chinese sweatshops (unless it was made in Cambodia, in which case: buy mall offerings early and often!). Not that I can manage to avoid chain stores on my earnings.
From "pisces":
How do girls break into the industry?
You meet an agency scout who takes an interest. Other tried-and-true methods include sending Polaroids to an agency, or attending an open call. Whatever you do, do not go on America's Next Top Model. Avoid modeling scams like Barbizon, John Robert Powers, and John Casablancas. And don't pay for professional "portfolio" pictures when you don't have an agency.
From "NotEvenSlightly":
Have you watched America's Next Top Model, and if so, does any of the advice and training they give have anything to do with being a working model? I prefer to think that Tyra is just crazed with power, obvs, but would like to hear your take on it.
Well, the funny thing about all the "woe is ANTM it's nothing like real modeling" bullshit is that the whole premise of the show just apes the industry practice of sending newly signed models on what're called test shoots — imitation editorials where you and the photographer get to keep the resulting images for your respective books. Of course, most test shoots involve zero-to-minimal hair and makeup, clothes from the stylist's closet (or things she's purchased to return at the shoot's end), plain studio backgrounds and/or simple outdoor settings. Not the prosthetic-nosed, race-switching, body-painted, couture-dress-wearing, Photoshopped, elaborately wigged, bizarro images ANTM challenges — God bless Ken Mok! — bring into this world. Never once have I had to walk on a rotating catwalk, or pose on a treadmill as if I were running from the fashion ghoul as embodied by Miss Jay, or make myself look like a crime victim, without "actually just look[ing] dead." But it's a fun bit of escapism.
From "dingosmom1":
Do the models have to pay all their airfare and rent, trainfare? If not, do their agents negotiate it for them? I read that agency fees in Paris are 70%, it seems you'd be paying to model if you also had to pay living expenses. It also seems the agency should earn their keep somehow!
Yes, we pay all our own expenses. And agencies have zero incentive to make your travel or living costs any cheaper than necessary: each day you stay in a given market doesn't cost them anything, but there's a chance you might work, and if you do, they'll get a cut. Agencies are also known to shamelessly overcharge on rent for the models' apartments they own (think five models sharing a 1BRM, spending $30-$40/night each), as well as for deducting mysteriously large sums for things like "photocopying" and messenger fees. That plus the fact that my last magazine editorial, which was shot for a Hearst-owned title you've probably read, paid me the stunning daily rate of 124.17 Euros (before agency commission!) means I eat a lot of pasta-and-pesto. I'm in debt to my agencies in two out of three European markets right now; I'm in the black in L.A. and New York City. It's an uneasy feeling.
Models need a friggin' union. Or Carmen Kass!
From "imnotsureibelievethis":
i guess my main question is: why are you anonymous? I'm a bit of a skeptic; mainly because of my own experiences in this vapid business, full of "girls" who go to casting after casting without a thought passing through. [...] I guess my main question is: where were the Tatiana's when I was working? It would have been a much less lonely job.
I'm anonymous because I fear professional repercussions. How would it benefit me to crow about having attended university, however briefly, or having read a given book or seen a movie? There are some people who just don't want to hear that from a model, and unfortunately they bear on my career. So I generally tell people I started modeling out of high school — it's simpler — and if I run into one of those assholes who likes to drop oh-so-obscure literary references around the unlettered models, I'll try and parry them back just to see the look on his face (it's nearly always a he).
Agencies and clients tend to like models young and pliant. I wouldn't book jobs because of this column, so I'm going to do my best to keep my identity a secret.












Comments
ugh fashion is on my last nerve. even after that marc jacobs docu.
This girl looks like she is 12.
That model makes me long for the old days of Cindy.
I adore fashion and love models. But sometimes it become achingly apparent that 95% of the models these days look 12.
*becomes
I worry about her neck. We have two extremely painful looking angles, and one ramrod-straight impersonation of an Amish tomboy.
I don't understand the sudden fascination with Karlie Kloss. I mean. She's young. She's pretty. She's skinny. Bug again, she's YOUNG. And she looks like it. She's the same age as my little sister, and to think of my sister being jetted off to Paris and Milan is weird to think about.
Thank you so much for what you wrote in response to "hammerimissu"! i couldnt have said it better myself.
@Reluctant Financier: she was born in 93!
think about that.
do not like.
@ineffable.me: Totally agreed.
Love this column. LOVE.
Thinking about the year someone was born is the ultimate mindfuck.
Hey, you are hot. What year were you born? 89? NO THANKS.
I love this column! Thanks for breaking up the monotony--the real world of modeling might not be as super-glam as we'd think, but its still a hell of a lot more interesting than my day to day!
#1 She's like pre frickin' pubescent.
#2 She looks like a mental patient in the first picture.
#3 She's frickin 15.
#4 Bitch.
This is a cool feature. Although I'm like 90% sure I know who you are Tatiana.. I would fix that!
@ineffable.me: Yeah. But in full disclosure, I guess I'm somewhat of a hypocrite. Compared to the guys I usually date (who are generally 20+ years my senior), I guess I don't have any room to talk. So I'll shut up now.
Why is it that the girls who go on ANTM thinking that they "look like a model", well, they never actually DO look like models? The girls who are on ANTM, in addition to being over 15, tend to look more like women. Whereas, all of the hottest faces in fashion right now look like they should be haunting a Christian Children's Fund poster, or (like Hagyness) they just look like twinkish fairy gayboys. WHAT on earth posesses the ANTM hamsters to think that they can make it, when a quick flip through a Vogue clearly say, "honey, NO"?
@BiscuitDoughJones: Twinkish fairy gayboys?
I will be using that. Thank you.
Tatiana (and Jezebels!) - you are some of the most articulate, well-spoken people on the internet. No wonder you keep getting quoted in print!
More secret-behind-the-scenes features pls? I'd love to hear from a lady-paparazzo!
Yeah, the modeling world is in a sad state now. All those prepubescent, washed-out faces.
Given how poorly paid shows are I have no idea how they eat
Damned New Year's Jezolution.
Kidding, kidding ladies.
@BiscuitDoughJones: That's always bothered me about the show. Remember the 27 year old they had on? I've heard that if you're 21 you're too old to start modeling.
And then Tyra talks about the "FAB-U-LOUS" prizes. A shoot for Seventeen? Ooh wow.
@Artful Slinger:
She could look 12, but the cheekbones, you have to look at the cheekbones. Although, I guess if a 12 year old was skinny enough she could have them, but I don't really know.
I'm pretty sure if I wasn't such a freaking midget, I could do exactly what shes doing. Is she even posing?
And I know most people wouldn't agree with this, but I sort of want the last oufit. God, I'm such a trend-whore.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE KARLIE KLOSS FASCINATION. And I don't understand the big fucking deal about her walk. I stayed up late one night trying to youtube that shit and saw nothing extraordinary about it. Maybe it's one of those things you have to see in person.
(For those who don't know, she's known for having a really slow, creepy, drugged-out walk. Maybe compared to normal people, sure, but I'm not sure how that stands out among 87% of the other runway models I've seen.)
@BiscuitDoughJones: yay! someone who shares my 'I don't get why she's the 'hottest' model right now' attitude towards Agyness (stupid, stupid spelling of the name!).
@rachystyle: I thought you were 23?
@vivresavie17: I think the fascination with her walk is more along the lines of a bad car wreck. Its so, so awful, yet you can't help but look.
The way that Tatiana says "attended university" makes me think she might be British. (forgive me if she's already said so). I just can't stand a mystery. Sorry.
@LipstickLibrarian: Yeah, cuz 89 makes you either 18 or 19.
Math is hard!!!!!
@westvillagegirl: you=the universal you, obvs.
When I was modeling, I knew women who only did the couture shows and never did any other kind of jobs. This were rich bitches! They had husbands who paid their bills and modeling was "fun" for them, a way to stay ahead of the latest fashion trends and grab stuff from the shows before anyone else could get their hands on it. Also, at cocktail parties instead of just saying "I'm so-and-so's wife," they could say, "I'm a model," and get appreciative responses.
I hated these women. They always showed up looking perfect. Me, I was usually dashing in from a college class with torn panty hose and rained-on hair.
@rachystyle: Out with Rachel, how old are you? Stop dicken' around and spill it. Honesty just may save you at this point.
@rachystyle: I thought you said you were 23; you're not, are you? You're younger, aren't you?
I've never even heard of her until right this second, but do you know which Jezebel has STELLAR cheekbones? Rosiered.
Also, why is this girl, like, 11 yrs. old? Fucking despicable.
"Agencies and clients tend to like models young and pliant. I wouldn't book jobs because of this column, so I'm going to do my best to keep my identity a secret."
*I* don't like my models young and pliant -- and fyi, 99% of the girls that walk into my studio are nothing of the sort. Most of the girls are extremely intelligent, educated and wouldn't take crap from anyone. The guys on the other hand... male models I worry about sometimes. ;)
@westvillagegirl: Canadians use that too. so british or canadian. I'm cool with either
Honestly, 80% of the girls I know who "peaked" at 13/14 are now quite busted. I am proud to say I look better now than ever and I hope I continue to improve. Who knows!? Karlie may be a beautiful 25 yr old in ten years from now...but she has a lot of growing up and a lot of changing ahead. IMO, she looks like a much taller version of every other suburban St. Louis (she's from MO, not TX) teenager I saw when I lived there.
that little girl scares me
oh, I have a Tatiana question - where do I send it? Or is she no longer taking them?
I hope she puts some makeup on, she looks flushed. And if that is her chosen makeup, i guess you could say assemble, maybe she is twelve.
@BiscuitDoughJones: I am moved by your oh, how shall I say, sensativity?
jk, your really funny.
@westvillagegirl: i think she's saying the guy in question is 18 or 19 and because she's 23, he's too young for her. could be wrong but thats how i took it.
the girl is freaky looking but most models are up close. they'll always be too-young, too-skinny, and at least a bit weird. viva a modeling.
This Karlie Kloss girl looks way too prepubescent, and unattractive, and unremarkable. Gosh, I pine for the good old days when Gemma Ward and Natalia Vodianova were the young looking models, they look like tough old broads compared to Karlie. She looks like she hasn't started middle school yet. It's starting to look like casting directors are all crazy old pedophiles. On the one hand, Karlie is an educated American teen, worlds away from a 14 year old Romanian girl who has never seen a deodorant, etc, but she still looks way too young, I mean, what message is that sending? She looks 10, seriously, like a tall 10 year old. Think back on all the tall, gangly, unsightly girls in your elementary school days, they could all be models now...
@rachystyle: I betcha every last person who ever worked on a Traci Lords movie would very much disagree with you.
Kid looks ten and smacked out to me, by the way. Somebody needs to put methadone in her little box of Juicy Juice.
It's so true that models must "act" as vapid and as malleable as possible. I used to dabble in modeling before I knew better, and I remember the Isaac Mizrahi people filming me, asking me what I like to do for fun. I told them I love to read, no joke. They thought that answer was preposterous. They countered, "But don't you like to party and daaaaance?" I said, yeah, sometimes! and they asked me to "do a little dance for them." I refused, feeling mocked and misunderstood. Needless to say, I did not get that job. I got a couple of trips to Hawaii out of my short-lived career in general (I never had what it takes to be a runway or fashion model, being short and more "commercial," as I was told), but oh man, the way they treat models at those castings. You think "Matchmaker" is bad!
A couple of years later I was approached by these two film agents in nyc while I was working at a high-end clothing store. They asked me if I'd ever acted, I said a little, and they wanted my info, blah bah blah. I refused to give it to them, and they told me, "well, you're passing up the oppurtunity of a lifetime--you don't know who we are--we have made some of the biggest names in the industry, blah blah blah." I told them that I wanted to be an academic instead, smiled dismissively, and ushered them on their way.
So, now I'm aging and almost with PhD and I look back and KNOW in every cell of my body that I made the right decision.
Tatiana, I applaud your fortitude!
As much as she bugs me, I have to make a correction: Karlie is from my home state of Missouri, not Texas. and I do not get the fascination with her AT ALL.
@Artful Slinger: that would be a scathing comment, but the thing is you aren't even that far off! she's only 15.