Guess what? Today there was a Daily Mail article we didn't entirely disagree with! The article in question uses Hillary's most recent cry as a jumping off point to discuss the difference between male and female tears. The writer, Carol Sarler, implies that women cry for a number of nuanced reasons, while men mostly weep due to the "basics": "bereavement, heartbreak and Arsenal losing at home." Obviously this is an enormous generalization, but we did a small sampling of Jezebels and Jezeboys, and we found Sarler to be fairly spot on with her assessment! Where she goes off the rails into Daily (Hate) Mail territory is when she says that often women cry in order to manipulate: the oldest derogatory stereotype in the book. Anyway, after the jump, we offer up some of the reasons we weep. The results may surprise you.
The women we surveyed (meaning: ourselves) cried more than the men. Three of us, in fact, are huge weepers who will cry at just about anything, while others tear up at things like photos of Harry Connick, Jr. and his daughter, or the injustices of the world. But: almost all of us cry when we're angry or frustrated and can't express it.
As for the dudes, well, most of them (5 total, one gay) fit the Daily Mail's own assessment: two cry in regards to general bereavement (friend who passed away, sick mom); one says he cries over heartbreak, two weep nostalgically about the good old days, and a whopping four dudes say they well up over cliché sports movies: Rudy, Best of the Best and Stomp the Yard among them.
But you know what? Not one guy said he cries because he is angry. We (Anna and I, that is) think it's because male anger is something that's more culturally encouraged and accepted, while women are never really taught how to express their frustration or disgust in a productive way, instead stuffing such unladylike emotions until they explode into weeping.
Personally, I hate that I cry so much. I don't feel like I have control over my tears, and often they derail real discussion; those little salty rivulets can get in the way of real progress. But what about you? Do you cry because your poll numbers are down? Because your boss just denied you a day off? Because you're marinating in your own hormones? Do you get down on yourself for crying, or, do you subscribe to Dodai's philosophy — "Better out than in," which she admits she might have stolen from Shrek. I'd be curious to know.
Tears Are Every Woman's Most Powerful And Manipulative Weapon, But Can Hillary Weep Her Way To The White House? [Daily Mail]
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Tomboys don't cry.
I cry when I am angry, when I am sad, and when the weather drops a few degrees.
I cry when I'm angry or frustrated, more than when I am sad. I HATE it.
I cry when I get mad. It makes me even more mad because we're taught that crying = weak, and I am not weak, just angry! But I don't get mad at myself for it. More mad at our male-centric society that looks down in true, heartfelt emotions.
Little boys are taught to fight when they're angry; that's just as bad as crying, if you ask me. I would rather cry than start throwing punches.
I've cried when I'm incredibly pissed off, when I'm incredibly stressed out and frustrated and when I'm sad.
But when you say "most recent" you mean "only and actual crying" right?
I mainly cry because of frustration. Extreme frustration. Which is probably a combo of anger, sadness, and feeling like there's nothing I can do about it all.
I say, "Glacier melting!" and have a cookie.
I cry during any sort of sentimental showing, and that includes the part of the Lion King when Mufasa dies. When I'm angry my face just gets really red, my eyes pop out and I scream, which people focus on way more than what I'm actually saying. I hate it.
I cry when I am frustrated beyond words and when I am so angry I could hit someone.
The older I get, the more easily I cry. I hate it soooo much. I cry at movies, TV shows, commercials, touching news stories, confrontation, drunkenness, displays of affection. It's a wonder I haven't flooded my apartment.
If I am angry, sad, in the shower, and on my second drink, I'll probably cry. Judging by the way last night turned out anyway.
I read an article right after Columbine and the Psychologist said something to the effect of "If we as a society don't allow boys to cry tears, some may cry bullets" Interesting point about expressing rage, but I never thought about the flip side. Like, why do women feel so impotent when they are angry that their only recourse is to cry.
And yeah, I cry to manipulate people. Mostly cops.
I never, ever cry at sentimental things, like movies etc. But I always cry when I'm too stressed or frustrated or angry. I hate it; more the feeling than the crying.
Jezeboy? I prefer Jezebeau.
@ineffable.me: I'm like you - I cry when I'm pissed/stressed/sad. But it rarely happens...and there will be months when I don't cry and then all of a sudden I start crying for like 4 days straight over everything and then I won't cry again for another 8 months.
hormones definitely make it worse. when i'm pm-pissy i'll cry for any reason and at almost anything: commercials on TV, touching photos, sappy movies i usually laugh at.
i should start keeping track of my most ridiculous cry triggers.
when i'm not on a hormone rush, i cry for more normal and predictable reasons: sadness, extreme happiness (babies, etc.).
and definitely in anger, though only when it's extreme. otherwise, i stuff it down and it comes out later in unhealthy ways! hooray!
I cry whenever I talk about my "feelings." I have no control over it, apparently. I think it might have to do with the fact that I find it almost physically painful to talk about my emotional life. I hate it.
I cried like a baby at the end of "My Dog Skip"
I don't mind crying when I'm sad, since I always fought so hard not to cry when I was a kid (see, tomboy, above). But I REALLY hate crying when I'm steaming mad, because it totally distracts people I'm speaking to and they stop listening to the actual point I'm trying to make.
I always cry when I get mad. It's really aggravating when you are trying to bitch someone out/regulate and tears start streaming down your face.
I've accepted that I'm a crier and made my peace with it.
@rachystyle: I am DEFINITELY guilty of manipulative weeping.
i wouldn't be suprised if guys not crying when they are angry was more a sociological phenomena than a physiological one. i mean i cried because i was so angry in middle school once, wasn't going to make that mistake twice.
i think crying over sports is similar in that it's sociall acceptable for a man to cry about sports so a lot of men do because they don't often get the opportunity.
I cry whenever I watch The Iron Giant.
I hate the daily fucking mail. When men get animated and yell in an angry-like manner, everyone thinks it's powerful. Women cry, and it's manipulative. You know what I say? If Hillary can cry and guilt other leaders into peace in the middle east or a ban on coal-burning plants, I'm all for it. This should not even be a topic of discussion. Our current president had a COCAINE problem. Christ.
You all might not believe me, but I haven't cried in several years. More than five, probably less than ten. I get sad, I get depressed, I get whatever, but tears just don't fall out when I do. And I'm not saying this to be all macho, it's just not something that happens to me. It's kinda weird.
I'm totally an angry cryer. I think this is because I was taught (by parents who didn't want me to get into fights and teachers who wanted girls to be dainty) that physical expression of anger was a big no-no for girls and girls who expressed their anger physically were Very Bad.
Now I must be a Very Bad Girl. But I cry a lot less. Sometimes you just need to slam your fist down on your desk, know what I mean?
Patriotic things make my eyes well up and I wish they didn't because that seems a little lame.
@Macloserboy: I like JezeMale. It kinda rhymes a bit.
@westvillagegirl: i'm exactly the same way...
@MissSmithDrankYourVodka: Frustration is a good way to describe what brings me to tears. I was thinking I cry when I feel helpless, like when things suck and I can't do anything about it (like my job being crappy). I guess that I am also "sad" but I'm usually sad because I'm frustrated, if that makes sense.
i am well acquainted with the frustration/anger tears--breast beating, furniture kicking may or may not accompany those.
I cry whenever I'm feeling any kind of strong emotion. It runs in my family; we're all weepy, even my dad. I cry when I've been insulted, I cry when I read something sad or anger-inducing in the news, I cry when I'm so happy words can't express it. I've even teared up a little during TV commercials. I try to control it a little in public, but it's really hard. I hate how crying is shown as a sign of weakness, like emotions are weak--it's just a physiological response to emotion that's stronger in some people and less in others.
I think I posted this once before, I cried when the expanded economic stimulus package failed in the Senate. It was a mixture of sadness, frustration and a feeling of uselesness. I have also cried myself to sleep both times I have been on a jury.
I only cry when I'm really, really mad. The boyfriend cannot understand this forcing me, through my tears, to repeat "I am not crying because I feel sad, I am crying because I hate you." Men, in my experience, really don't understand the crying-as-a-response-to-anger thing.
@Fizzy77: I still weep like a BABY at that scene. I never used to cry at movies but lately even the slightest bit of sadness/true happiness on-screen makes me ball.
confession: the end scene of moulin rouge is one of the few that makes me cry HYSTERICALLY.
other than that, these days I tend to repress any emotion that applies to anything in my real life.
I cry instead of beating my boss to death with a stack of galleys
I almost NEVER cry (seriously, I can't remember the last time)! it's pretty ridiculous. But I've been told that I have trouble expressing my feelings and intimacy issues. I don't disagree ...
he he! But the daily mail DOES amuse for anyone from the UK?? They DO ask questions that no one else do AND Dacre is the most revered editor/tabloid in the uk at the moment....
@BicSharpie: OH GAWD! I took some kids I was babysitting to see that. It was a complete disaster.
I'm such a crier and I hate it. Things I have cried at include: losing at Scrabble, finding out I had to get braces, the Names of the Dead section of the NYT, being talked down to by my 10th-grade biology teacher, realizing that the drugstore STILL didn't have my prescription even though I'd called twice, not being able to get a hold of my husband when trying to make dinner plans, and a children's movie about noble mining ponies.
And sports movies, JESUS. The WORST.
I cry while: Angry, nervous, happy, frustrated, and tired, especially. Almost never when I'm sad, and NEVER on purpose.
@summerwheatley: yeah it sucks.
I was at a job interview once and the guy who was interviewing me started saying all this crap and I got so frustrated and had to hold back tears and it was fucking nuts.
I cry at all sorts of sad bits, especially in movies or TV shows. Got it from my dad, who's a big much behind his crusty exterior.
@princessprissypants: Same here. I used to make fun of my mom for crying in movies all the time, and now just the SIGHT of the two shirts in Brokeback Mountain makes me well up.
@ineffable.me: also, worst story ever. im sorry. ha
@braak: Good movie -- has brought a tear to my eye more than once.
@MissSmithDrankYourVodka: You nailed it totally.
@braak: I loved that movie.
Most often, tears come to my eyes when I need to release some stress. I am a temp./contract Executive Assistant, and I have been in a couple of situations where (a) I didn't get the job permanently due to internal politics & (b) the job let me go very abruptly (3:30 PM on a Friday) and I'd just about busted my ass trying to make them happy. (b) is from my last job before I came to my current one, and they'd gone so far as to tell me I "wasn't working out" and they were requesting another Temp.
I was immediately suspicious as they had never done anything but gush about my work. Also, one of the women I worked with had recently returned to the Company, was good friends with the woman I worked for, and had absolutely nothing to do. Of course, when I called my representative to check on whether or not another temp was there, she told me that hadn't asked for another one. Sheesh! Just tell me the truth, don't trash me b/c you feel shitty about wanting to bring your BFF on in my place!
If I am tired - I'll cry at anything.
@olivia2.0:
ITA. After Bush and Cheney, to hell with playing fair.
I used to cry when I was really angry, but that was mostly when I was a teenager. I don't cry as much any more, but sad movies, sad new stories, and athletes crying when they win will always do it to me. I LOVE CRYING (for happiness) ATHLETES! And I actually hate sports.
@mbprice: slant rhyme. it only really rhymes if you say "Jezebel" in a strong southern drawl.
@Macloserboy: Jezedude?
@mbprice: "JezeMale" sort of sounds like a cologne.
"Be you. Be free. Be...JezeMale."
Here's a (loosely related) irritation: I have this female coworker who hates Hillary Clinton, and all for totally sexist reasons, like that she's only in the running because of Bill, and that she got votes because she "cried," which she says she knows was manipulation because Hillary never cried when Bill cheated on her (yeah this coworker=not very bright).
I always try to politely tell her that I disagree, and I don't think the crying was manipulative, but then later (like today) I feel bad that I didn't hold up my side better. I just don't know. It's things like this that make me cry - this kind of frustration at not being able to express myself properly, or cogently argue my points.
@mbprice: It IS weird, and it's exactly how my bf is. I have known him for eight years, been dating him for five, and I've never seen him cry. He can't remember the last time he cried.
I used to cry A LOT because I had extreme clinical depression. I'd come home to a stack of dishes in the sink and literally fall to my knees bawling. Nowadays I cry at Pedigree commercials and occasionally when I'm in terrible physical pain.