Dear all you commentwhores who said HIllary's teensy little tear session had swayed your vote to Hillary: Fuck you. I'm sorry, I realize that you pay my bills, but this makes no sense. Her narrow lead in yesterday's New Hampshire primary is entirely attributable to chicks like you, and you were alllllll chicks. It almost makes me wish there were some "Bradley effect" in effect, whereby voters, all by themselves in the voting booth instead of debating face to face with their neighbors, allow themselves the luxury of acknowledging their inner bigot and voting for the non-Negro. No, this was different. New Hampshire women, after telling pollster after pollster they were ready for change, went inside the booths and had a little cry. Maybe they felt bad for Hillary for sticking it out in that humiliating, mirth-free marriage of hers only to vote against her now. Maybe it reminded them of the time they stuck it out in an emotionally abusive situation and only got through it because somehow, somewhere, they still held out hope that karma would make it all right in the end. Well, that is not an audacious hope. That is a STUPID hope.
MOE: SO DEPRESSED
MEGAN: yes, sad. :(
New Hampshire old people not liking change.
22 minutes
MOE: Okay I'm just going to put it out there that I knew this was going to happen.
MEGAN: The Obama would lose NH?
MOE: That those polls were unreliable, that it wasn't going to be that easy, that voters would show their pussy side and vote for Hillary if it looked like Obama was in the lead. Now it's going to be tough. The Clintons have, like, brainwashed everyone into thinking "if only we could just turn back time" the same way the fucking Bushies did in 2000, and guess what, we are not going to return to a time when the guy making your plane reservation was in Nebraska or a time before A Shot At Love With Tila Tequila and everything else is just an abusive relationship.
I have lots of "vote for Obama, pray for Clinton" friends.
They make me stabby.
And I am really sick of saying things make me stabby.
MEGAN: "Pray for Clinton"? What the fuck does that even mean?
I think the problem is, if exit polls are to be believed, is a lot of undecided people decided for Clinton at the last minute. And we all know what happened at the last minute.
Which means that I, personally, plan to serious reevaluate my now decades-old plan about never crying in public.
MOE: Do you ever see people on the street who are alone and crying softly to themselves?
I don't think the voters were truly undecided though.
What was the female margin again?
God 2 to 1
Women suck.
MEGAN: On the rest of it, though, you're totally right. She is running on nostalgia. I just, personally, don't happen to feel it because I remember pretty much only the 90s and I was broke and working somewhere between 1 and 4 jobs while going to high school/college/grad school. And I remember Bill Clinton getting rid of the direct loan program in favor of Sallie Mae, and I remember how he eliminated the tax "preference" on getting free grad school tuition from the university you work at (i.e., started charging people taxes on something free).
I remember that his little fucking economic recovery never quite made it to my home town.
And no one gave a shit.
I remember friends going to wars in Bosnia and Kosovo and people people killed and bombing factory worked in the Sudan to get at Osama or something by proxy and the innocent lives that were lost.
MOE: Yeah, a little choking up and they run back to the beholden vengeful controlling cheat who never really cared in the first place.
MEGAN: But, you know, whatever, nostalgia. She's not Bush!
MOE: The pharmaceutical factory! Yes, he bombed that right around the Starr Report, right?
MEGAN: And even though she thinks we have to work to rid the country of abortion when she needs to pander, I'm soooo certain she's planning on protecting my reproductive rights right up until the polls say it's advantageous for her not to do so.
Yes, he did.
I told a friend last night that even though she's a crazy anti-Semetic bitch from hell, I'd vote for Cynthia McKinney as the Green party candidate first.
Gah! I hate imcumbents! Kick the bums out!
Vote Kucinich!
MOE: And the economic recovery was a Wall Street recovery, a period of corporate earnings growth due to technology, outsourcing and globalization. Balancing the budget kept inflation and interest rates down but in the grand scheme that was not a huge deal. We're spending a billion dollars a day in Iraq and oil is 100 dollars a gallon or whatever and our economy STILL isn't technically in recession. In fact, every other economic indicator that comes out seems to indicate, "hmmm, not as bad as we thought!"
I would really love Kucinich.
MEGAN: Yes, real wages didn't increase by that much as housing prices (and thus property taxes in the majority of the country) began to skyrocket due to investors and widespread fraud in addition to weakened oversight.
Also, unemployment was 5% in December, which isn't December supposed to be a good month because of temp holiday jobs?
I don't even love Kucinich or even most of his ideas, I just hate mainstream politicians and the media that panders to them this morning.
And the people who think that, somehow, most of politics isn't bullshit.
MOE: Re jobs I feel like the data isn't exactly rosy but it's nowhere near as bad as anyone predicts. Which is just the thing about data, it is highly imperfect. Oh yes, and at the end of the month at least holiday SALES had redeemed themselves, so we're still consuming enough to keep this whole ponzi ship afloat!
And I don't love Kucinich; in fact, I am mad at his voters for not doing like he asked and voting for Obama
And I'm mad at all our commenters for being all "Oh NOW she has me" after that wussy little hint of a cry.
MEGAN: Did you see? Liz Glover got video of him! And he's kinda elfinly cute and sincere.
Yes, that was a little weak. A bunch of our commenters went that way, too.
And, AT BEST, it was exhaustion.
But now, seeing its effectiveness which nauseates me, I'm forced to question it, and I hate myself for that.
Also, way to play the ultimate girl card.
MOE: Also I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE her campaign was even THINKING about quitting.
MEGAN: I hate when I cry and suddenly some dude who's all being a dick is forced to find some small part of himself and be nice to me. I don't want him to pretend that he's not a dick if I'm crying, I want him to go away.
Oh, God, no, not in a million years.
MOE: How does the media buy into that whit?
shit.
MEGAN: Because they don't have anything else to report?
MOE: Ahem DANA MILBANK.
MEGAN: Especially now that they can't show exit polls until after the polls has closed, which is a fucking ACKNOWLEDGMENT that all voters are lemmings and do what they perceive their neighbors are doing!
MOE: You know what is really fucked, is that drudge is behind all of this.
A self-hating gay hermit is controlling the American electorate right now.
MEGAN: I will hereby reveal something that is a secret in political circles and likely to bring the wrath of you-know-who at G__ker on my head.
I do not read Matt Drudge.
I have not read Matt Drudge.
Occasionally, when someones says, you must read Drudge!, I will dutifully surf over there, get annoyed by his completely unreadable layout, and go away again.
And it has been this way for at least 8 years.
MOE: It's just as well I suppose. He's only the master of the memes because we're READING it.
MEGAN: He just links to other stuff I'm reading anyway, so...
MOE: What a gift a McCain Clinton ticket would be to the floundering, confused, closeted repressed Republican party though.
MEGAN: I was interning on the Hill in a Democrat office in the fall of 99 when people were wistfully talking about a McCain-Bradley ticket, and some people I knew were saying they'd cross party lines to vote that ticket (but were then shushed).
I think, though, that McCain's finally lost his pull there.
MOE: He's lost his pull on the Hill or among independents?
MEGAN: Well, a little of both, but mostly with independents and Dems who liked him in 2000
He's now the establishment candidate.
MOE: See, the thing about Washingtonians is that
NO ONE WANTS THE CLINTONS BACK.
No one I know anyway.
Washington Republicans want an Obama White House. I am convinced of this through anecdotal evidence, of course, but I feel like any sampling of Washington Republicans is a pretty good sampling since there are probably 100 of them in total.
MEGAN: I think some in Washington would welcome Bill back to their loving embrace, and ignore the baggage that would never, ever allow him to accomplish anything.
MOE: I think money people would have him back, sure. But congressional Dems?
They all seem to be over the Clintons.
And any member of the media who covered the Clintons ...
MEGAN: She's had 7 years to build the support she needed.
MOE: well yeah, but "support" is not the same as love.
MEGAN: I think if you didn't love her before, they don't love her now. But, like the black ministers in the South who want to be backing the winner, they're supporting her because of her inevitability mantle.
MOE: And to those people I say: CLINTON NEVER WON A MAJORITY OF THE ELECTORATE. Hillary will never grab the Ross Perot contingent. No matter how hard she cries!
AND YEAH I WENT THERE.
MEGAN: No matter how hard anyone cries.













Comments
Crying only gets you what you want until about 18. Then you are actually penalized for your tears outside your family.
I think most commenters who said their opinions were swayed were referring to the sexist responses to Clinton in recent days, made them realize how a lot of the hate toward her is gender-based, and made them re-examine their own reactions to her and listen to her policies more. I didn't hear anyone say, awww she's sensitive and human now so I voted for her. And I pretty much read every political comment on here. But you know, thanks for a typically totally reductionist reading of it.
please, no more saying things "make me stabby."
and thanks to all the stupid women of new hampshire for ruining my wednesday morning.
I'm really sick of people attributing the surge of support for her to a couple of tears. Maybe they just, um, LIKE her?
In other news, I fucking hate Maureen Dowd.
Honestly, I don't know why anyone cares what NH thinks. I lived in VT most of my early life, and I think the constant attention from politicos made them insufferable. So Hillary cries, the old conservative biddies and farmers feel sorry for her and poof! Or it could be that she actually was exposed as being human. Or... it was a perfectly calculated trick, which you cannot put past Hil, since she and Bill have been pulling this kind of thing since they first got into politics.
@MissCricket: any enemy of maureen dowd is a friend of mine.
SHE DIDN'T CRY! SHE WASN'T EVEN CHOKED UP! JESUS CHRIST!
Seriously, Moe, I know you love Obama, but you're being fucking ridiculous. Truly. She showed some passion. So fucking what? She can't win with some people. That's fine. But to say that women just up and voted for her because she cries is retarded. People vote for Obama based on his fucking speech-making abilities. So fuck that! Their records are the same since they've been in the Senate. He's progressive, yes. BUT so is she. Women are so busy tearing each other down they can't see the fucking difference.
Tell Obama to get off the Jesus and buck up for responsible, intelligent science policy and then I'll vote for him. Til then, Hill's got my vote.
And I'm old enough to remember when Geraldine Ferraro's presidential bid tanked after she cried on Tee Vee. Now the same thing seems to have rescued Hillary's campaign. Hmmm.... what the Hell does it all mean?
I can't stand Hillary and that fugly jacket she wore yesterday. And voting for someone because she CRIED about it is just stupid. Maybe when she's President she can whip out the tears for during her first foreign policy crisis and Musharaff or Putin or Amedenijahd or whoever will just cave because, you know, she really cares about people. Whatever. Bite me, Hillary.
i am also very annoyed with the crying, and everyone who supported the crying, and everyone who hated the crying, and everyone who is involved with the complete dumbing-down of political discourse in this country so that the only decisions people make in regards to candidates is what they see on a 30 second clip played over and over again while political commentarians make asses of themselves on national television and in the pages of the nytimes.
@j.d.regent: This "feminist" blog keeps coming up quite the opposite.
Suck it up Moe and everyone else!
It's not over yet.
wow. looks like i have to research deeper into the clinton administration. i always thought that the general concensus was that he was one of the better presidents in the last quarter century. then again he was up against the devil himself (reagan), the dumbass (george w.) and the dumbass' padre (george h.w.).
as for obama, gotta try harder i guess. i want to hear more about his plans and less about "hope" and "change". every candidates wants to change shit, but i need more concrete evidence, ya dig?
@cocoesq: Her jacket was hideous. LOL. Vote for McCain!
@MissCricket: A-MEN. maureen dowd is a fucking egomaniacal blight.
i honestly don't believe crying had anything to do with this win. do you know new hampshire? the 'live free or die' license plates and crazy libertarian ethos? they like hillary because she's the closest thing to a republican that the democrats have.
also, they refuse to celebrate martin luther king day. they would rather work. i think you know what i'm saying.
Who you calling a commentwhore, blogwhore? Huh? Huh?
Thought so.
@bessmarvingirldetective: Somehow life in the 90s was horrible? Did I miss that fucking memo?
@j.d.regent: ps I am still not voting for Hillary, but that doesn't mean I have to tell her supporters they are stupid.
Did anyone hear Chris Matthews call her 'tear' a breakdown? I almost broke my TV. I am not a Hillary supporter but I was not pleased to hear that blowhard say that shit. And then to insinuate that women voted because of it, well that just made me want to puke. Who knows, maybe it's true, but I would pin this on the people of NH being fucking weird before anything else. And I live about 30 mins. from the border, so trust folks.
What the hell is wrong with voting for Clinton? Is there really that big a difference between her, Obama and Edwards? I felt like it was a move made by women to combat all the sexist ideas prevalent in the debate and in their homes, schools, neighborhoods that will continue as long as she's the only candidate who isn't male. Last I checked she was smart, liberal and dedicated?
@cocoesq: excellent comment
@j.d.regent: @SinisterRouge: Yes.
Also, I am about ready to explode with all this damn political speculation. Hillary is unelctable, no Obama is unelectable, blah blah when nobody really knows. It's the same on the television and radio and everywhere. We can all assume our asses off and it won't do any good for anybody.
@crawdaddy: I'd rather work, too. Mostly because it means sales at department stores and very little actual remembering of MLK. Pathetic how now it's all because NH is racist is why Obama lost.
"wussy little bit of a cry"? Voters showing "their pussy side"? WTF is up with all the misogynist bullshit in this post??
1. the tears thing bothered me. hillary bothers me. she has since day one.
2. have you been to new hampshire? and no, i don't mean missing the exit on 95, but actually spent time in NH and not b/c you had to? it's a very interesting place...full of sound and fury and live free or die and pretty summertime beaches...but in the end, signifies nothing.
3. moe, thanks for pointing out the clinton electorate thing.
4. mccain will never lose his pull in NH. again, have you been to NH?
@crawdaddy: yeah and she was up in the polls in n.h. for fucking months until right after Iowa. a brief bump for Obama and all of the sudden she's "comeback?" i think the media's fevered obsession with Obama has more to do with the distorted polls than a bunch of women going "pussy" (seriously?) for Hillary.
@j.d.regent: No, her campaign wants you to BELIEVE that dislike of Hillary is gender-based. Ugh, this whole thing is making me want to strangulate myself.
@lesbiansayswhat: Nothing. Other than that's what we keep getting told by the media and anyone cool.
Whatever, Moe lost credibility with me on this issue when she said that if you supported Edwards, you should vote for the minority candidate.
@lesbiansayswhat: what's wrong is she sucks.
@jezebelmoe: And Obama's campaign wants you to believe. In something. Don't know exactly what yet. But it's change-y.
@pferde_schwanz: Smart.
Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton scares the shit out of me.
Obama is the man.
Moe: The only thing I found audacious about Obama's book was that it wasn't audacious at all. Change...hope...these are hardly radical ideas.
And seriously, the vitrol which you spew at Hillary is sickening.
@lesbiansayswhat: no, there's really not that much difference between them AT ALL. once obama gets up there he's gonna be pandering left and right just like any fucking president will, because the system is totally fucked up and also, that's politics everywhere. whatever, i'm back on my edwards trip. i don't care that he's a bitch. so am i!
@SinisterRouge: for reals.
I may have to take a Jezebel break until people can learn to fucking relax.
Oh and maybe until the editors and commenters can respect the way people (read: women) vote instead of calling them stupid.
Calling someone stupid for the way they vote does not equal valid political discourse.
And telling your readers to fuck off is pretty fucking fucked up.
Women tearing down women. Democrats tearing down Democrats.
Way to play right into the Republicans' hands.
@southernbitch: Exactly! It's like somebody mentioned in a different thread - how Jon Stewart last night played a whole montage of male politicians crying. Nobody gave a shit when they cried! But now that it's Hillary it's used against her hard.
It's far too much of a simplification to think that this primary went for Hillary because she cried. I dunno about you but I still am unclear on each candidate's platform. Maybe N.H. voters voted for Hillary because they want to keep the race open so that the views of the top candidates can be further flushed out. That, my friends, is a good thing.