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"It's undoubtedly boring and hackneyed and feminaz-y to suggest that a woman in the public eye cannot win. But it's also difficult to conclude anything different as we watch the way that Clinton is alternately sexualized and then transformed into an ugly succubus of shriveled power as this race unfolds. No wonder she's a little puffy." —Salon's Rebecca Traister on the widespread criticism of Hillary Clinton's not-so-fresh face. [Salon]


2:20 PM on Wed Dec 19 2007
By Jessica
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  • Was anyone talking about what a wrinkled prune Ronald Reagan was? No? That's what I thought.

    Fuckers.

  • lay off her, man! she's also in her 60s hasn't had plastic surgery. damns.

  • This is ridiculous. I really do not want to contribute to this further.

  • Image of hortense hortense at 02:29 PM on 12/19/07 *

    If she had Botox, they'd be all over her. Like the rest of us, she can't win the dumbass skin battle. Do they want her to powder up like Elizabeth 1? Or maybe soak in dissolved pearls like Cleopatra?

    Or maybe she should doll herself up like Marie Antoinette. That really helped her face out quite a bit, in the end.

  • Image of leMaldeTete leMaldeTete at 02:29 PM on 12/19/07 *

    Goddammit! Wake me up when the Presidential Candidate Swimsuit Competition begins, someone?

  • Image of FloraWay FloraWay at 02:29 PM on 12/19/07 *

    I know that this isn't going to be a popular opinion, but I hear more people defending the way she looks than people bashing the way she looks. I think that the defending of her face is offensive, not defensive in most cases. Yes, there is Drudge and Limbaugh, but that is to be expected, right?

    And personally I think she looks pretty great, but that doesn't make me want to caucus for her.

  • Image of meaghan2k meaghan2k at 02:30 PM on 12/19/07 *

    I'm all puffy.

  • Hillary looks great in person, is all I have to say. When I met her, on the day that she won her second senate race, she was wearing a very flattering turquoise color. Maybe she should wear color more often, it suits her. Although, the trouble is when you're photographed a lot, you don't want to wear something too distinctive, which is why she's in black so much.

  • dear god, a presidential candidate with both breasts AND wrinkles. is that allowed?

  • @DorothyZbornak: Nobody really talked about Bills raging Rosacea, either.

  • Image of hortense hortense at 02:31 PM on 12/19/07 *

    Did they write an article about Barack Obama's skin, and how that will keep some idiot voters from listening to what he has to say? Or is that not appropriate discussion for Salon?

  • Image of lfw1031 lfw1031 at 02:32 PM on 12/19/07 *

    Thank goodness the Brits were all given giant welder's shields to wear during Margaret Thatcher's reign. How on earth would they have survived otherwise?

  • Too ugly. Too pretty. Too prude. Too slutty.

  • @hfree: She is luminous in person. She has an amazing aura, and that's not something I say about people. She just has a presence. My mother made a remark about wanting to touch her garment. I still can't believe I was inches away from her.

  • @FloraWay: I read the comments to that post linked, and I agree with you. This comment said it best:

    "As a Democrat, this really pumps me up. This is all the right has, no issues, no ideas, just the fact that a 60 year old women looks 60. Going into an election year and the right has nothing."

    The only people getting worked up about this are people desperately searching for something to get worked up about. NEWS FLASH! Most politicians aren't nubile 20-year-olds! Boooooooooooring.

  • Image of lfw1031 lfw1031 at 02:34 PM on 12/19/07 *

    @hortense: Yeah! I notice he gets ashy when it's cold and dry outside. I simply cannot vote for a man who allows that to happen to himself. Think of the children!

    Oh, you weren't commenting on him being black, where you? My bad. I can't seem to get over his choice of moisturizer.

    I should send him some Kiehl's.

  • Britain, Germany, Ireland, Chile, India, Argentina, Canada, Israel and doubtless some other countries I've forgotten have all managed to endure women aging in their top jobs. Maybe because they treat politics as something more than another episode of Extreme Makeover.

  • Image of FloraWay FloraWay at 02:35 PM on 12/19/07 *

    @lfw1031: I haven't read the story yet, but I'm assuming that it is in response to the photo posted on Drudge about how the campaign trail is aging Hillary. I'm sure that if there were a picture of Barack pointing out his skin color, they'd write an article about it.

  • man, i'm puffy. also, i think hills would do a good, centrist job.

  • blehhhhh

  • Image of hortense hortense at 02:37 PM on 12/19/07 *

    @lfw1031: I wish everyone could just run on the radio. Then people would listen to what they had to say.

    It really bothers me that "but will they vote for an African American?" or "Will they vote for a woman?" is still a fucking issue in 2007.

  • Take a little visit to Wonkette and read Megan Carpenter's post on Hillary's picture... it's great and she also pulls pictures of the other candidates. It's a good read.

  • I can't help but think of how the press reacted to the Valerie Plame case: "OMG! She's hot! So she totally couldn't have been a covert agent, right? Oh, who cares? She's hot!"

  • Image of SinisterRouge SinisterRouge at 02:38 PM on 12/19/07 *

    I love how we can rip on Hillary's looks...but the Obama-love-fest video was closed to comments. :eyeroll:

  • Did you guys hear that Huckabees' son killed a dog and had porno? Obama gets morning wood. Edwards gets haircuts. Thompson got a 16 year old girl pregnant(JUNO?!) McCain hates wool sweaters. Ron Paul has two first names (WTF?!) I think Mitt took his dog for a walk too, or something like that, I can't remember.

  • @BiscuitDoughJones: Exactly. Or Bush's perma-coke face. Other than Kennedy (and in my mind, even he's a stretch) none of our presidents have been hot. And hell, even if everyone thinks you're hot, you'll still catch hell like Obama and Edwards do. God, this country is so fucking superficial!!

  • Image of meaghan2k meaghan2k at 02:44 PM on 12/19/07 *

    @brendastarlet: McAleese and Robinson are foxes!

    Margaret Thatcher looks like a shoe.

  • @SinisterRouge: FYI, the Obama video was not closed to comments. Feel free to click away and add your thoughts.

    I'm not a Hillary fan, but I will say that all any obsession about her looks is ridiculous. Talk about a candidate's policies and like or dislike them based upon that.

    That said I have to agree with a previous commenter that I've hardly seen this in mainstream media.

  • as long as she doesn't look 'shifty-eyed' or weak, who cares

    that said, it'd be nice if a candidate ran who didn't have questionable business dealings, etc...

    not that they have to be perfect, but maybe just more trustworthy

  • @datehole: mitt strapped his dog in a carrier to the top of a car for a 12 hour trip
    (insane!!)

    whoever might be enough to be president would never run for president

  • @meaghan2k: I think Evita, er, Christina Fernandez is easy on the eyes. Of course, there's probably a plastic surgeon on the presidential staff.

  • looks made nixon lose to jfk, supposedly

  • Image of SinisterRouge SinisterRouge at 02:53 PM on 12/19/07 *

    @PetiteDemoiselleRouge: Oh thanks! Didn't figure it out apparently.

    @brendastarlet: Queen Cristina has had a LOT of surgery.

  • @girly: "whoever might be enough to be president would never run for president"

    I mean good enough--okay, I'm done!

  • This is stupid. And if you are going to judge someone on their looks at least be fair about it. It's obvious someone spent a lot of time searching for the worst picture they could find. It kind of reminds me of that one graphic with Republican women against Democratic women. All the Republicans had flaterring photos of themselves included while there were only bad photos of the Democrats. Stupid.

  • The reason this kind of commentary about her bothers me personally, is that the message is simply: women are fair game to be judged by how they look because that's their most important quality and what we value most in them. And it's not just reinforced in the political sphere...it's everytime a woman is sized up her appearance needs to be mentioned first. It's nauseating. This is one of the smartest, bravest, most accomplished woman in the country...and people still feel the need to become preoccupied with how she looks. Not to get all out of control about it, but to quote the rev King, i am looking forward to the day that a woman is judged by the content of her character and not the god damn hair and make up combo she is sporting!

  • Image of FloraWay FloraWay at 03:07 PM on 12/19/07 *

    "Any American who is prepared to run for president should automatically, by definition, be disqualified from ever doing so." --Gore Vidal

  • @FloraWay: what you quoted

  • I'm no expert on the right way to do things, but I think that the Christian right should be most concerned about legislating freedom (that doesn't infringe on others) rather than morality.

    We have free will, so as long as it isn't harmful, people should be able to make dumb choices.

    If we don't focus on freedom, they run the risk of one day having their own freedom be about a fight for power, rather than everyone's right.

    Guess I was thinking about that because if there is any Christian influence in the republican party, they should know to stay away from 'beauty' contests, etc, because they of all people should know what's really important

  • Image of TheGuvnah TheGuvnah at 03:16 PM on 12/19/07 *

    @hammerimissu: too liberal. not liberal enough.

    it's amazing how we just can't win.

  • @lolkate: Yeah, but wrinkly breasts = too much. *le sigh*

  • that pic looks really photoshopped.

  • Hilary's too strong. and when you're tough

    ...you're just not pretty enough.

    go ahead and vote for out-of-touch,turkey-necked ultra conservative white men, and keep America away from that progressive nonsense that's sweeping over the world.

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